The media conspiracy to suppress information about Jews

[Maja]

My previous post included three new angles on the Jews' over the top hatred of Christianity that I'll repeat for emphasis ...

How about responding to my post, which was a response to the post you are repeating?

From AD 200 to the early 1800’s, a religious European Jew was required to spit in the direction of any church he walked past.

How did "religious European Jews" manage to carry out this requirement between AD 200 and the Edict of Milan in AD 313, when there were no recognisable church buildings and Christians held their meetings in secret?

 

[VonKleist]

But, spitting sometimes just isn't enough .... get this .. (not from Shahak)

From AD 200 to the early 1800’s, a religious European Jew was required to spit in the direction of any church he walked past. On Christian holidays in Europe, a Jew was required to pray for Jesus to suffer in Hell. Even recently, the ceremony to convert to Judaism in Israel, given over to the ultra-Orthodox of Kibbutz Sa’ad and financed by the Israeli government, required spitting on the cross.

You appear to be a bit reticent in sourcing this particular quote, other than it being 'not from Shahak'.

It is from Robert Lindsay's blog.

 

[cwalner]

You appear to be a bit reticent in sourcing this particular quote, other than it being 'not from Shahak'.

It is from Robert Lindsay's blog.

Also uncited and not an expert himself. Also some interesting biases

Some snippets from his About Himself page on the blog

Education: BA Journalism (California State University, Long Beach, 1980), MA Linguistics (California State University, Fresno, 1994).
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I have been called a liberal race realist. Liberal race realism is described as “a dash of race realism, positive white racial identity, the leftist view of American history, anti-racism, and a base of liberalism.”
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Although I am generally an anti-racist, I do hate Gypsies.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Counting down to Blood Libel?

Saggy, opinion pieces, blogs, commentaries, editorials, etc... are not history. What you cite are dodgy opinions from dodgier sources. If you need to find justification for your hatred, you need to look elsewhere.

 

[Saggy]

Counting down to Blood Libel?

Saggy, opinion pieces, blogs, commentaries, editorials, etc... are not history. What you cite are dodgy opinions from dodgier sources. If you need to find justification for your hatred, you need to look elsewhere.

Here are the facts: (despite the idiotic posts to the contrary)

1. Jews commonly spit on Christian clergymen and women in Israel. (Haaretz)

2. The Kibbutz Sa'ad was responsible for conversion to Judaism in Israel and did require spitting on the cross (Shahak)

3. The Jews did replace the + sign in math books (wiki)

Now, as for the blood libel....

Feb 7, 2007

By LISA PALMIERI-BILLIG
ROME

An Israeli historian of Italian origin has revived "blood libel" in an historical study set to hit Italian bookstores on Thursday. Ariel Toaff, son of Rabbi Elio Toaff, claims that there is some historic truth in the accusation that for centuries provided incentives for pogroms against Jews throughout Europe.

 

[cwalner]

Here are the facts: (despite the idiotic posts to the contrary)

1. Jews commonly spit on Christian clergymen and women in Israel. (Haaretz)

2. The Kibbutz Sa'ad was responsible for conversion to Judaism in Israel and did require spitting on the cross (Shahak)

3. The Jews did replace the + sign in math books (wiki)

1. Exaggeration and over generalization. A small group of extremely orthodox Jews regularly spit on anybody who does not observe the Jewish Sabbath. This includes reform Jews and gentiles. Your statement is akin to saying that white American regularly lynched blacks and burned crosses to intimidate others. While it is correct that this was a somewhat regular activity for a small subset of white Americans, this did not apply to all white Americans.

2. Shahak has been debunked as an expert. with no other sources, I maintain that this is just another of Shahak's errors.

3. You reference this as Wiki, yet your original post about this includes no link to Wiki and attributes this to Shahak (see point 2). Even if this were true, so what?. Radical feminists in the US managed to get some textbooks changed to be about herstory (instead of history). Some jews not wanting what they see as a Christian symbol in math texts is hardly anti-Christian.

 

[TSR]

Now, as for the blood libel....

Feb 7, 2007

By LISA PALMIERI-BILLIG
ROME

An Israeli historian of Italian origin has revived "blood libel" in an historical study set to hit Italian bookstores on Thursday. Ariel Toaff, son of Rabbi Elio Toaff, claims that there is some historic truth in the accusation that for centuries provided incentives for pogroms against Jews throughout Europe.

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Historian recants theory that Jews killed Christian child in ritual murder

In the new edition, Bar-Ilan University Professor Ariel Toaff writes: "Jews were not involved in ritual murder, which was an entirely Christian stereotype."
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"In the rural reality of medieval Germany, Jewish households, like Christian ones, often had a vial of blood, recommended for use in diverse eventualities," Toaff wrote.

According to Toaff, blood was often donated by living people, sometimes children, who were paid for their services. It was then dried and used in ointments and powders.

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You gonna get some fries to go with that FailBurger ^t.m.?
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[Saggy]

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Historian recants theory that Jews killed Christian child in ritual murder

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You gonna get some fries to go with that FailBurger ^t.m.?
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Say what? Perhaps you would 'recant' too if threatened with jail time .....

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/830711.html

'MKs demand the author of blood libel book be prosecuted"

All his recantation proves is that the pressure on anyone who tells the truth about the Jews is immediate and intense, even if that person is an Israeli professor. Indeed, he was driven out of Israel.

When the book was published Toaff said that he would defend his work "even if crucified". I.e., he knew what was coming. He probably did misjudge the vitriol of the attack on him, and he did succumb to it. See ...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/824823.html

Bar-Ilan prof. defiant on blood libel book 'even if crucified'

This is not the first time that a critic of the Jews has been crucified, let's name a few, Zundel, Irving, Rudolf, Cole. Of these, only Cole succumbed, and is in hiding from the media to this day, the rest were jailed.

And the recantation seems a little ambiguous ... Toaff saying ""There was no relationship whatsoever between the so-called 'ritual of blood' and ritual infanticide." And, he refused, even in recanting, to change the name of the book "Bloody Passover" and still maintains "that it is possible that some radical Jews may have actually killed on ritual purpose, or for resentment against Christian persecution".

The book had favorable reviews, before it was pulled ... see

http://www.traditioninaction.org/History/A_010_BloodyPassovers.htm

for an account of the hell that greeted Toaff and a favorable review of the book.

 

[Sledge]

I think Saggy is an Israeli COINTELPRO.

 

[Horatius]

3. The Jews did replace the + sign in math books (wiki)

Thank you for providing yet another example of someone who fails to provide any links to his alleged "evidence", even though providing such a link would be trivially easy, were it to actually exist.

Do you really expect anyone not already a *********** Nazi to be fooled by this? Really?

 

[Saggy]

Thank you for providing yet another example of someone who fails to provide any links to his alleged "evidence", even though providing such a link would be trivially easy, were it to actually exist.

Do you really expect anyone not already a *********** Nazi to be fooled by this? Really?

Edited by LashL: 

Removed inappropriate content in breach of Rule 0 and Rule 12.

 

[Sledge]

Maybe Mossad's IT department blocks access to Wiki.

 

[TSR]

Say what? Perhaps you would 'recant' too if threatened with jail time .....

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/830711.html

'MKs demand the author of blood libel book be prosecuted"

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And was he?

No?

And how many MK's are quoted in your article?

2?

How MK are there?
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All his recantation proves is that the pressure on anyone who tells the truth about the Jews is immediate and intense, even if that person is an Israeli professor. Indeed, he was driven out of Israel.

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Citation?
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When the book was published Toaff said that he would defend his work "even if crucified". I.e., he knew what was coming. He probably did misjudge the vitriol of the attack on him, and he did succumb to it. See ...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/824823.html

Bar-Ilan prof. defiant on blood libel book 'even if crucified'

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You mean, where he says:

Of course I do not claim that Judaism condones murder. But within Ashkenazi Judaism there were extremist groups that could have committed such an act and justified it."

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This is not the first time that a critic of the Jews has been crucified, let's name a few, Zundel,

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Convicted of importing Nazi material into Germany, not "criticizing the Jews."
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Irving,

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Convicted of denying the crimes of Nazi Germany, not "criticizing the Jews."
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Rudolf,

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Convicted of defaming the dead, not "criticizing the Jews"
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Cole. Of these, only Cole succumbed, and is in hiding from the media to this day, the rest were jailed.

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"In hiding from the media?"
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And the recantation seems a little ambiguous ... Toaff saying ""There was no relationship whatsoever between the so-called 'ritual of blood' and ritual infanticide."

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And what is ambiguous about this?
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And, he refused, even in recanting, to change the name of the book "Bloody Passover" and still maintains "that it is possible that some radical Jews may have actually killed on ritual purpose, or for resentment against Christian persecution".

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Did you miss the part about "some radical Jews" or "Christian persecution?"

Not Jews as a class of people: some people who happened to be Jews.
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The book had favorable reviews, before it was pulled ... see

http://www.traditioninaction.org/History/A_010_BloodyPassovers.htm

for an account of the hell that greeted Toaff and a favorable review of the book.

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Marian Horvat, who has also written:

I have often remarked on how the monstrous toys being made for children prepares the mentality for worse things, such as witchcraft and Satanism. This has provoked some criticism here and there from readers who say that I am exaggerating the effect of make-believe characters like Harry Potter, Shrek, or ET, which are, in their opinion, nothing more than innocent and imaginative ways to entertain children."

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Are you *sure* that's who you want to go with?
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[Saggy]

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Are you *sure* that's who you want to go with?

In spades. I'm indifferent to Harry Potter and ET, but Shrek is the most degenerate filth I have ever seen in a movie theater. And I had the misfortune of taking my kid. And I think Horvath is probably right about Harry Potter and ET too ! Hadn't heard of him/her before googling up the article above, will start paying attention.

 

[TSR]

In spades. I'm indifferent to Harry Potter and ET, but Shrek is the most degenerate filth I have ever seen in a movie theater. And I had the misfortune of taking my kid. And I think Horvath is probably right about Harry Potter and ET too ! Hadn't heard of him/her before googling up the article above, will start paying attention.

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"Degenerate?" Why? Shrek is not Jewish...


And such is the state of Saggy's "standards" -- they agree with me on something I hate, so even though they lie about the book (which Saggy has *still* not read) I'm going to accept what they say. Even though you have stated an indifference to religion, which is the only context from which Horvat writes...

What about ET prepares a child for accepting Satanism?

Edited by Professor Yaffle: 

Edited to remove uncivil personal attack

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[Cl1mh4224rd]

Shrek was awesome. That must make me a degenerate, too.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I'm intensely curious why, exactly, you find Shrek to be "degenerate filth", Saggy.

 

[Saggy]

Shrek was awesome. That must make me a degenerate, too.

Doesn't follow. In the media environment of today .... ax murders of lesbians involved in satanic cults .... etc. .... is the norm ..... so it's hard to get one's bearings ..... and Shrek is obviously degenerate ... but ... compared to ax murders of lesbians .. ???

 

[Professor Yaffle]

I've moved a bunch of posts to AAH and edited others. Everyone, keep it civil, stop the personal attacks and do not discuss forum management issues in this thread.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Professor Yaffle

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

[...] and Shrek is obviously degenerate [...]

Enlighten me...

I mean, snuff films and some forms of pornography are degenerate filth. You must see something very, very wrong with Shrek—something no one else sees—to classify it as such. Can you communicate your reasons for believing that Shrek is "degenerate filth"?