The media conspiracy to suppress information about Jews

[cwalner]

Well originally it probably did. Shahak must have used a source for the information.

Agreed but without a citation, the source might as well be his own rectal orifice, for all of the validity it has.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Agreed but without a citation, the source might as well be his own rectal orifice, for all of the validity it has.

This is a commonly made accusation against Shahak; that he either knitted his "facts" out of the yarn of his imagination, or he offered up mis-representations or actual erroneous interpretations of original texts. Again, Stormfront likes to represent him as a serious scholar, implying that it's of Jewish history or theology, but he's no expert in the field.

Sort of like taking the word of a Doctor of Divinity who claims to have the inside story on 911, ain't it?

 

[sadhatter]

It's common practice in Israel for Israeli Jews to spit on Christians. That's to literally spit, you know, by spraying saliva. Recently a reporter from ABC news discovered this when she attended a demonstration staqed by Orthodox Jews in Jeruseluem, you can read about it here...

http://www.vosizneias.com/34587/200...ter-feels-charedi-mobs-hate-in-the-holy-city/


Spit like rain

I found myself herded against a brick wall as they kept on spitting - on my face, my hair, my clothes, my arms.

It was like rain, coming at me from all directions - hitting my recorder, my bag, my shoes, even my glasses.

Big gobs of spit landed on me like heavy raindrops. I could even smell it as it fell on my face.

She discovered what Christian clergymen have known for years according to this report in Haaretz ...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassID=2

A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.


The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.

The practice of Jews spitting on Christians goes back centuries, and is religiously mandated according to Israel Shahak in his book "Three Thousand Years of Jewish History".

Now, have you seen any mention of this in the US media? On the television news? In your local newspaper. In any mainstream news publication whatever? You have not. There is a demonstrable conspiracy in the media to suppress information detrimental to the image of Jews.

If your right We have proven jews have more balls than i do.

If history is any indication and your wrong, this is just lame, what next, " Rabbi gives wedgie to pope?" " Hasidic boy goes on purple nurple spree?" " Local synagogue passes out trick gum?" " Owner of kosher deli refuses to take off Groucho glasses?" " nation of Israel threatens the u.S. With an indian burn?"

 

[Thunder]

I grew up in an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood, with Orthodox relatives. I went to an Orthodox synagogue till I was 10. And Hebrew school till 13.

and yet, I was never informed about this obligation to spit on Christians.

I guess I really missed out huh?

 

[Loss Leader]

Well originally it probably did. Shahak must have used a source for the information.

Why must he have?

And, if so, what are those sources?

 

[aggle-rithm]

The tittle of your thread is made mockery by the article you quote. It's on a website that describes itself as "The Voice of the Orthodox Jewish Community." Beyond that, the comments after the article roundly denounce the actions of the mob. And you can tell the comments come from actual Jews because many of them use so much Yiddish and Hebrew that even I couldn't keep up with them.

For example, comment 21: "Alas hut a shier.. you think that hashem is proud of this, i really dont think so... its big chilul hashem. absolutely not the right way to protest."

Yidlish.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Upon Mt. Sainai, Moses is receiving the Torah.

God proclaims through the burning bush "THOU SHALT NOT SEETHE THE KID IN ITS MOTHERS MILK."

Moses is a bit confused. "What does that mean, Lord? We should not cook meat in milk?"

God repeats "THOU SHALT NOT SEETHE THE KID IN ITS MOTHERS MILK."

Moses responds "But what do you mean, Lord? We should never serve meat and dairy in the same meal?"

Again, God repeats "THOU SHALT NOT SEETHE THE KID IN ITS MOTHERS MILK."

Moses continues "Do you mean that we should have two completely seperate sets of ovens and cookware? One for meat and one for milk?"

Finally God answers (In a typicaly New York, Jewish accent) "FINE, HAVE IT YOUR WAY"

I refuse to lower myself to this level. So I will only post the punchline:

"Meet me halfway, Herschel. Buy a lottery ticket!"

 

[dafydd]

This is almost beneath contempt. Having been to Israel many times in my life, I can say with 100% certainty that what Saggy says is absolute rubbish. Furthermore, there are plenty of Orthodox Jews in the US, in particular in NYC, and there's no spitting on all the millions of Christians with whom they share the city. Do we really need to put up with this Antisemitism?

I wish we didn't.Can't somebody chuck the brainless moron off this site?

 

[Foolmewunz]

We have two main lines to this contention. The first is that an Aussie(female) reporter experienced this, first hand. I have no reason to believe that she's making it up, but I will note that if David Ben-Gurion himself had driven his car into the midst of a keep-the-faith-on-the-sabbath demonstration, they probably would've spit on him, too.
To me, that's not in dispute. It's known that this is a way this particular version of fundy expresses their contempt for anyone who's not a true believer. Not dissimilar to the Phelps of this world who want to tell Xians how to believe or the rabid Islamists who want to tell all Muslims how to believe. (One would attack with words and insults and the other using violence, but they both think they know the only way to properly worship their own version of the big skydaddy.)

The secondary issue is trying to legitimize this claim by fabricating a back story that it's not reported. I proved otherwise. The NYT link is from 2004. There are numerous other such articles.

And backing it up with Shahak is just a typical anti-semitic denialist ploy. Shahak made up historical background for his opinions. He wasn't a decent researcher nor an honest scholar. His "historical basis" for this tradition is nonsense and is not validated by any other research. This is not a historical tradition. It is a sociological phenomenon dating back about a decade, not much more.

The thought that Jews in any area, especially Eastern Europe, would aggressively show their disdain for Christianity in a way that would draw more attention to themselves is so historically absurd that it should make anyone who knows their history laugh out loud.

I try to imagine the Hassid in Williamsburg hanging out of a Saturday. "Gee, I don't know Moishe, whadda you wanna do. We can't take a bus or subway so let's just walk over to Bensonhurst and spit on some Christians. I'm sure the Guido street punks won't bother us."

 

[cwalner]

And backing it up with Shahak is just a typical anti-semitic denialist ploy. Shahak made up historical background for his opinions. He wasn't a decent researcher nor an honest scholar. His "historical basis" for this tradition is nonsense and is not validated by any other research. This is not a historical tradition. It is a sociological phenomenon dating back about a decade, not much more.

The thought that Jews in any area, especially Eastern Europe, would aggressively show their disdain for Christianity in a way that would draw more attention to themselves is so historically absurd that it should make anyone who knows their history laugh out loud.

I take further exception to the use of Shahak to imply that this is considered acceptable behavior by the Jewish community at large. The comments on the articles and on this thread show that most Jews find this behavior reprehensible.

 

[Elizabeth I]

The vast majority of Jews and the organizations which represent them would disagree with you. There is no agreeent inside or outside Jewish organizations as to what "true" Judaism entails. My Conservative Rabbi would disagree with the Reform Rabbi down the street about such a concept, and they would both disagree with the Orthodox Rabbi down the street the other way.

I once read about half of a book called What Do Jews Believe? The Spiritual Foundations of Judaism. I quit reading when I decided that the answer to "what do Jews believe?" was "just about anything, depending on the Jew and the era in which he/she lived."

I refuse to lower myself to this level. So I will only post the punchline:

"Meet me halfway, Herschel. Buy a lottery ticket!"

Hey, I heard that one as a blonde joke!

Here's mine:

"And such small portions, too!"

 

[Thunder]

You could spit on Saggy...

 

[jakesteele]

Eh Saggy, your anti-semitism is showing.

And for a jew to spit on a non-jew is being anti-gentilic. I think your response is a classical example of how the press has been able to 'manufacture consent' with the masses. Tragically, the masses, for the most part, are unaware of it.

 

[Skeptic]

Oh, Christ (Oh, Moses?), not Shahak again.

The late professor Shahak was a professor of chemisty, not history or religion or any related field. He played the same role in the neo-nazi movement as the various engineers, mathematicians, or theologians -- people with no training in biology -- play in the creationist movement: "see? SEE? Some guy WITH A UNIVERSITY POSITION agrees with us, so evolution is false!". Never mind that their expertise is in a totally different field.

Second, Shahak (as seen here) had made numerous false claims about Israel in general and Jews in particular (again, when it comes to Jewish history, a field where he has no more expertise than you or me). Shahak first rose to prominense (or notoriety) when he sent a letter to Ha'aretz, an Israeli newspaper, in 1964, claiming he saw ultra-orthodox Jews and rabbis prevent a gentile who had a heart attack in the street from getting treatment.

The letter caused a sensation in Israel and abroad, used as "proof" of the evil "orthodox Jews". Unfortunately for Shahak, the repetition of the story in a British newspaper got the chief British Rabbi (Lord Imanuel Ya'akobovitz) to investigate. Shahak's letter naturally included no verifiable details -- such as names of anybody involved, or exact dates -- so investigation was hard. But in the end, Ya'akobovitz published his results:

1). A reply from the Israeli chief rabbi, Unterman, noting that the halacha (Jewish religious law) makes it perfectly clear that saving non-Jews is imperative, as all orthodox Jews know;

2). The details of his investigation in Jerusalem -- asking numerous rabbis, doctors, local residents, etc. Result: nothing. Nobody witnessed, knew, or even heard a rumor about such an event.

Faced with the total lack of evidence in the letter, the halacha's position, and the inability to verify anything about the story, Shahak admitted what was by then obvious: that he made the whole thing up.

This incident gives one a good idea of Shahak's moral standing and evidential veracity. Simply put, most of what's in "Jewish History, Jewish Religion" is no more accurate than what's in "Evolution: the Fossils Say NO!" or in his 1964 letter about "Jews not letting a gentile be helped". It's just dirty lies, nothing more.

P.S.

As a religious Jewish web site noted sarcastically about Shahak:

"The average gentile antisemite has no idea what the Talmud or the Halacha actually is, so he needs a turncoat Jew to 'translate' and 'prove' to him that all his worst suspicions about the evil Jews are true.

This naturally puts the wily Jewish antisemite in a superior, expert position, and the gentile antisemite in an inferior position of a customer, dependent on the Jew for his antisemitic reading.

Poor antisemites -- even antisemitism itself has been taken over by the Jews!"

 

[Skeptic]

And for a jew to spit on a non-jew is being anti-gentilic. .

It would be, if it were actually true. But it's just one of Shahak's numerous antisemitic lies.

 

[332nd]

The weird thing about this thread for me is that I know a lot of Jews, not one has ever spit on me, however one has driven a nail into my hand... the Wed before Good Friday... And my name is Christopher (Christ bearer)... We still talk of his over readiness...

 

[FenerFan]

I found myself herded against a brick wall as they kept on spitting - on my face, my hair, my clothes, my arms.

You lucky, lucky bastard!

I lie awake at night dreaming of being spat at in the face.

Almost 2 pages of posts before the obvious Monty Python reference. You guys are slippin'.

 

[Saggy]

My previous post included three new angles on the Jews' over the top hatred of Christianity that I'll repeat for emphasis ...

1.
From AD 200 to the early 1800’s ..... On Christian holidays in Europe, a Jew was required to pray for Jesus to suffer in Hell.

2.
Even recently, the ceremony to convert to Judaism in Israel, given over to the ultra-Orthodox of Kibbutz Sa’ad and financed by the Israeli government, required spitting on the cross.

3.
And, apparently the usual + symbol for mathematics addition has been replaced in all Israeli elementary schools as being an inducement to Christianity.

 

[TSR]

my previous post included three new LIES on the jews' over the top hatred of christianity that i'll repeat for emphasis ...

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ftfy
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[Nonpareil]

My previous post included three new angles on the Jews' over the top hatred of Christianity that I'll repeat for emphasis ...

<snip lies>

Did you not read any of the previous posts? Every single thing you just wrote was a lie. Others here have shown this to you. Why do you continue to spout nonsense?