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The Deluge

There is gas, dust and debris in interstellar space. But there sure as hell ain't enough water in the thermosphere to cover the highest mountains on Earth.

There isn't now, but what do you think would have caused Moses to write that there was and then thousands of years later Peter to write that it was gone now because of the global deluge? What sort of primitive curiosity or superstition would have inspired it? What do the other myth legends or other legends, traditions and histories have to say that sort of thing?
 
What sort of effect would an glacier have upon a flat earth and what sort of cataclysmic events could possibly mistaken for a glacier? Like a local flood? Has that ever happened?


Not where I live. Interestingly enough, there are places in the U.S. where cataclysmic floods have happened, and the effects are noticeably different from the effects of glaciers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missoula_Floods

Have you ever noticed that every dinosaur and mammoth fossil is either dug out water-laid sedimentary rock? Shale, (hardened floodwater mud) sandstone, (hardened floodwater sand) or frozen permafrost?


Now why wouldn't people find fossils in igneous rock? :rolleyes:
 
Obviously. Can the link provide an extremely flawed unsourced vomit of pseudo-history and how can we tell the difference?

The link contains geology. Exactly the geology you asked for.

It is absolutely impossible to more directly and honestly answer your question.

Your refusal to accept that answer shows you to be monumentally intellectually dishonest.
 
I'd like to take a moment to marvel at DH's thought process (if it can be called that).
He says that the bible is true.
He says that science doesn't disagree with the bible.
He says that science is wrong.

Is it any wonder that so many of his posts make no sense at all?
 
Obviously. Can the link provide an extremely flawed unsourced vomit of pseudo-history and how can we tell the difference?

You can tell the difference between sourced an unsourced by whether or not a source of information is given. Your timeline presented a lot of dates with no source beyond your assertion.

That is definitional, like asking how we can tell a hamburger from a cheeseburger. The cheeseburger has cheese on it.

The pseudo-history part was because you have made no response to the many clear mistakes found in your listings that you haven't at all responded to.

The vomit part was my personal judgement based on the above noted lack of quality compounded with the length.
 
I provided a post in which Bible, Egyptian, Babylonian, astronomical, and secular history dated From . . . I think it was Constantines death to the creation of Adam and you can't tell me how a mountian is formed without an external link but you can tell me there couldn't have been a flood, is that what you are saying?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


I beg your pardon. I lost my composure for a moment. It's been a difficult week.

It won't happen again. :D
 
Up to 15 cubits (22 ft / 6.5 m) of water overwhelmed them. (Genesis 7:20)

It was a global deluge.
Water runs downhill, David. For it to be a global flood, the water would have to have been over five miles deep.

Are you suggesting that it is scientifically impossible? If so, evidence?
Mountain-forming zones are earthquake zones and volcanic zones, because what's happening is that two tectonic plates are pushing together and either buckling or subducting.

If the world had been flat just 4300 years ago and then produced mountains over five miles high as we find today, the resulting earthquakes and volcanic activity would have been sufficient to melt the Earth's crust, boil all the oceans, and kill every living thing.

What makes you think that the topography would have had to rise thousands of feet in a few hundred years?
Not only do we have mountains, we have historical records of those mountains existing long ago. What we do not have historical records of is the melting of the Earth's crust, the boiling of all the oceans, or the death of every living thing.

According to Bible chronology the flood took place in 2370 B.C.E.
Which, as has been pointed out, is an utter impossibility.

How accurate is the measuring of millions of years ago which you bolded?
Quite accurate, thanks.

What do you think they use to determine millions of years? The Uranium-Lead clock?
Potassium-argon, or argon-argon, more likely.

The rock has to be free from lead at the beginning, which is usually not the case. We have to assume that it was sealed, which is sometimes not the case. Lead or uranium can seep into groundwater. Sedementary rock can absorb more. Thorium can slowly disintegrate into lead. Then there is the second isotope which decays at a different rate, also forming lead.
Fortunately, we have multiple different techniques, and we can, and do, run all of them and compare results.

The Potassium-Argon Clock, you say? The potassium must be free of argon when the mineral is formed. The system must be sealed for the duration, as with the Uranium-Lead clock.
So? They take that into account by measuring the Argon isotope ratios in the rock.

When measuring occurs under ideal conditions these tests compare with one another but that is usually not the case.
Are you arguing that every single radiometric dating of rock samples ever taken is not only wrong, but wrong by the same amount and in the same direction?

6,800 ft. In the central east west valley of Jezreel it starts at about 300 and goes to 390 ft. Are you suggesting a flood needed to be 300 - to 6,800 ft in order to be possible?
No, it would have needed to be closer to 30,000 feet.

What evidence is there that those elevations might have been much lower in ancient times?
None whatsoever. It's entirely impossible.

Are you suggesting that at an elevation of 300 ft there has to be a 300 foot wall of water to categorize a flood?
If the flood is global, yes.

How do mountains form?
Folding, faulting, and volcanism, all due to plate tectonics.

What is the fastest moving tectonic plate?
What does that have to do with anything?
The Indian plate is moving north relative to the Eurasian plate at about 1.2 inches per year. This is sufficient to cause events like the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake that caused tsunamis that killed 230,000 people, the 2005 Kashmir earthquake that killed 80,000 and injured over 100,000, and the 2008 Sichuan earthquake that killed 70,000 and injured 375,000.

As a result of this tectonic activity, the Himalayas are rising by about 5mm a year, or about 70 feet since 2300BC - though that doesn't account for erosion, which can exceed 5mm per year.

Even ignoring erosion, for the Himalayas to have formed in the past 4300 years, this would have had to happen over 400 times faster. Rather than one major earthquake killing tens to hundreds of thousands of people every few years in this region, this would be happening once a week, with annual death tolls in the tens of millions.

Taking observed rates of erosion into account, these immense earthquakes would be happening several times a day.

No part of the planet would be habitable.

How did host-specific diseases survive the flood?
How would they normally survive?
Host-specific diseases normally survive in their hosts. Was every person and animal on the ark raddled with disease?

Or air or gasses?
Which part of "practically a vacuum" did you not understand?
 
Ha!

I wondered how long it would take for Pixy to show up in this thread. :D

It makes me happy too. David Henson may not click on your links, but I will. I learn so much in this forum. That whole edumacation thing. :) Thank you, JREF.
 
You are, I hope, aware that a gigantic part of the population of most places in the times BC (though, certainly not after AD either) did not read - but did indeed pass on stories by means of oral stuff - not the sex or eating things, the talking one, I meant.:)

If the forging of iron tools and making of musical instruments predated the flood isn't it reasonable to conclude that people knew how to write? Tablets of writing predated the flood.
 
I have a question related to the OP.


If an oil company were interviewing a geologist to help them search for potential new sources of oil, and that geologist identified himself as someone who believed a worldwide deluge occurred approximately 5,000 years ago, how do you think it would affect his chances of being hired? If it would have an effect, why do you think it would?
 
If the forging of iron tools and making of musical instruments predated the flood isn't it reasonable to conclude that people knew how to write? Tablets of writing predated the flood.

Begging the question fallacy. Circular reasoning.

You're assuming that the flood took place, and using that as evidence that the flood took place.
 

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