Merged Interesting Analysis of Changing Media Attitudes toward 9/11 Alternative Theories

At least you recognize the conflict of interest involved with trying to get a thorough and conclusive report out of the Commission.

Is it a little bit silly of me to suggest that with the money that Dylan Avery has made from selling DVDs to imbeciles, and the money Richard Gage must be getting from public speaking engagements, they could pool resources and start getting an 'independent' investigation of the ground? They all share a common goal do they not? One to which they are 100% committed?

I mean, what with the growing media interest in 9/11 Truth, there must be a swelling of support - why not get donations from the millions of supporters? Even 2 dollars each should be enough for a start.

I mean, when you compare it to the deaths of 3000 people, it's only money after all. Isn't the truth more important than money?
 
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Mar 3, 2010


Entire February 2010 Issue of the American Behavioral Scientist Devoted to State Crimes Against Democracy: The Case of September 11, 2001
— Elizabeth Woodworth, Professional Librarian

For 50 years the American Behavioral Scientist has been a leading source of behavioral research for the academic world. Its influence is shown by the fact that it is indexed by an extraordinary 67 major database services, causing its papers to be widely exposed on the international scene.


The publisher, Sage, is headquartered in Los Angeles, with offices in London, New Delhi, Singapore, and Washington DC.


Each issue offers comprehensive analysis of a single topic.
The six papers in the February 2010 issue are devoted to the recent concept of "State Crimes Against Democracy (SCAD's)," with emphasis on 9/11 and on how human behavior has failed to recognize its reality. [Ref. abs.sagepub.com/content/vol53/issue6 ]
What are SCAD's?


"SCADs differ from earlier forms of political corruption in that they frequently involve political, military, and/or economic elites at the very highest levels of the social and political order," explains one essay.


"Negative information actions" are defined by another as "willful and deliberate acts designed to keep government information from those in government and the public entitled to it. Negative information actions subvert the rule of law and the constitutional checks and balances."


(This publication must be an Islamo-Commie Twoof rag)
 
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Papers Listed in the February 2010 Issue, Amer. Behav. Sci.
Matthew T. Witt and Alexander Kouzmin, "Sense Making Under 'Holographic' Conditions: Framing SCAD Research." American Behavioral Scientist 2010 53: 783-794.
Lance deHaven-Smith, "Beyond Conspiracy Theory: Patterns of High Crime in American Government.," American Behavioral Scientist 2010 53: 795-825.
Christopher L. Hinson. "Negative Information Action: Danger for Democracy." American Behavioral Scientist, 2010 53: 826-847.
Laurie A. Manwell, "In Denial of Democracy: Social Psychological Implications for Public Discourse on State Crimes Against Democracy Post-9/11," American Behavioral Scientist 2010 53: 848-884.
Kym Thorne and Alexander Kouzmin, "The USA PATRIOT Acts (et al.): Convergent Legislation and Oligarchic Isomorphism in the 'Politics of Fear' and State Crime(s) Against Democracy (SCADs)," American Behavioral Scientist 2010 53: 885-920
Matthew T. Witt, "Pretending Not to See or Hear, Refusing to Signify: The Farce and Tragedy of Geocentric Public Affairs Scholarship," American Behavioral Scientist 2010 53: 921-939.
 
By who? Can you offer some proof that they just didn't deem their work credible?


Do you know how much was spent on all of the investigations to date? (not just the 9/11 commission report). Could you tell me when the investigations ended?


That's all well and good but, until the "truth" movement can come up with a credible reason to doubt the reports made to date, it's not going to happen.

1-I am sure that MSM sources deem the work of independent 911 investigators incredible. But these are the same people who deemed Judith Miller's, 'Ahmed Chalabi-curveball chronicles, and tons of other WMD Islamo-Terror fantasies, fit to print. Therein lies the problem.

2-I'm not sure exactly how much was spent, (bet it was a lot) or when the investigations ended (if they have indeed ended).

3-It is our contention that we have ample credible reasons to doubt the findings of these reports and investigations.
 
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At least you recognize the conflict of interest involved with trying to get a thorough and conclusive report out of the Commission.

Wait...

you mean the same commission who stated that 9/11 was the result of massive failures by multiple government agencies?

The same commission who pointed out how simple bureacrats covered their asses and lied to them?

The same commission who really reamed the FBI and government agencies who dropped the ball?

If you want a new investigation red, you can pay for it. Feel free.

Oh wait.... that won't happen.
 
1-I am sure that MSM sources deem the work of independent 911 investigators incredible. But these are the same people who deemed Judith Miller's, 'Ahmed Chalabi-curveball chronicles, and tons of other WMD Islamo-Terror fantasies, fit to print. Therein lies the problem.

Yet this same MSM had no problem bashing Bush (and others) when the WMD were never found. Do you need me to point out other examples where the MSM has not been kind to the standing administration (remember Nixon)?

2-I'm not sure exactly how much was spent, (bet it was a lot) or when the investigations ended (if they have indeed ended).

Hundreds of millions (I don't feel like looking up the exact figure) and yes they are still going on. You stated that we need a "well funded" investigation, What's not "well funded" about the one that's still going on? Is it just that you don't like who's doing the investigations?

3-It is our contention that we have ample credible reasons to doubt the findings of these reports and investigations.

Having a "contention" and actually backing it up to the point where a new investigation is warranted are two different things. These "independent investigators" that you mentioned have to actually have the evidence to back their assertions not just their personal opinion, they do not.
 
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Papers Listed in the February 2010 Issue, Amer. Behav. Sci.
Matthew T. Witt and Alexander Kouzmin, "Sense Making Under 'Holographic' Conditions: Framing SCAD Research." American Behavioral Scientist 2010 53: 783-794.
Lance deHaven-Smith, "Beyond Conspiracy Theory: Patterns of High Crime in American Government.," American Behavioral Scientist 2010 53: 795-825.
Christopher L. Hinson. "Negative Information Action: Danger for Democracy." American Behavioral Scientist, 2010 53: 826-847.
Laurie A. Manwell, "In Denial of Democracy: Social Psychological Implications for Public Discourse on State Crimes Against Democracy Post-9/11," American Behavioral Scientist 2010 53: 848-884.
Kym Thorne and Alexander Kouzmin, "The USA PATRIOT Acts (et al.): Convergent Legislation and Oligarchic Isomorphism in the 'Politics of Fear' and State Crime(s) Against Democracy (SCADs)," American Behavioral Scientist 2010 53: 885-920
Matthew T. Witt, "Pretending Not to See or Hear, Refusing to Signify: The Farce and Tragedy of Geocentric Public Affairs Scholarship," American Behavioral Scientist 2010 53: 921-939.

Now comes the $64 question. Have you read ANY of these articles twoof? I seriously doubt it.

But I can't comment on any of the articles because I haven't read them either. But looking at the last two that you are listing, I don't think they support your claims. I'll get back to you after I have read them
 
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Entire February 2010 Issue of the American Behavioral Scientist Devoted to State Crimes Against Democracy: The Case of September 11, 2001
— Elizabeth Woodworth, Professional Librarian

Ah... the same author of this essay that red tried to pass off as an "article" is making these claims on this journal. Of course we could see that she is out of her depth about her "analysis" of 9/11. Again cherry picking certain articles but ignoring the rest, a failure to do a meta analysis, and looking at her previous essays (which aren't publications) shows a fully truther slant. I also find it very intresting how they leave out what her full position was. A RETIRED health librarian. Yes her focus was on HEALTH. But hey she does write an interesting synopsis of this journal article.

What I find particularly interesting is that Ebscohost considers the American Behavioral Scientist pre 2007 to be peer reviwed. But after 2007, they don't.

hmmm... sounds rather interesting. I wonder why...

Don't worry, when I go into the office on sunday I'll see if I can access it through work.

Another interesting point is that this is a "soft science" journal. You know, psychology, political science, public policy, behavioral sciences, sociology... not a "hard science" journal which would cover the engineering sciences of 9/11.

But after reading these abstracts, it doesn't inspire too much confidence in Miss Woodworths scholarly abilities, nor her ability to read for comprehension.

Here are the abstracts. Which I am posting here under the Fair Use guidelines.

Sense Making Under 'Holographic' Conditions: Framing SCAD Research. said:
The ellipses of due diligence riddling the official account of the 9/11 incidents continue being ignored by scholars of policy and public administration. This article introduces intellectual context for examining the policy heuristic "State Crimes Against Democracy" (SCAD) (deHaven-Smith, 2006) and its usefulness for better understanding patterns of state criminality of which no extant policy analytic model gives adequate account.This article then introduces papers included in this symposium examining the chimerical presence and perfidious legacy of state criminality against democracy.
http://abs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/53/6/783

That isn't a ringing endorsement of 9/11 twoof. It appears to be examining policy which was created after 9/11.

Beyond Conspiracy Theory: Patterns of High Crime in American Government said:
This article explores the conceptual, methodological, and practical implications of research on state crimes against democracy (SCADs). In contrast to conspiracy theories, which speculate about each suspicious event in isolation, the SCAD construct delineates a general category of criminality and calls for crimes that fit this category to be examined comparatively. Using this approach, an analysis of post—World War II SCADs and suspected SCADs highlights a number of commonalities in SCAD targets, timing, and policy consequences. SCADs often appear where presidential politics and foreign policy intersect. SCADs differ from earlier forms of political corruption in that they frequently involve political, military, and/or economic elites at the very highest levels of the social and political order.The article concludes by suggesting statutory and constitutional reforms to improve SCAD prevention and detection.
http://abs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/53/6/795

Again it appears to be a policy paper discussing SCADS, which doesn't seem (on the face of it) to be a ringing endorsement of trutherisms.

(on an aside, I find this very interesting)
Beyond Conspiracy Theory: Patterns of High Crime in American Government said:
This article has been cited by other articles:
K. Thorne and A. Kouzmin
The USA PATRIOT Acts (et al.): Convergent Legislation and Oligarchic Isomorphism in the "Politics of Fear" and State Crime(s) Against Democracy (SCADs)
American Behavioral Scientist, February 1, 2010; 53(6): 885 - 920.

How do you manage to quote a NEW article, in another article IN THE SAME FREAKING JOURNAL which is published at the same time? Hmmmm....

But lets move on to the third abstract
Negative Information Action: Danger for Democracy said:
This article explores evidence of, and provides insight into, secrecy-related information actions that are sometimes used to circumvent established government policy and law. These information actions may also be used to cover up such circumventions after the fact. To better understand secrecy as a negative information action and its impact on democracy, secrecy-related information actions are described according to methods, information technologies, and knowledge support. Negative information actions are willful and deliberate acts designed to keep government information from those in government and the public entitled to it. Negative information actions subvert the rule of law and the constitutional checks and balances. Negative information actions used by government officials to violate policies and laws during the IranContra Affair are identified, analyzed, and categorized by type. The relative impact of negative information actions on enlightened citizen understanding is demonstrated using a Negative Information Action Model by assigning a location according to type on a continuum of enlightened citizen understanding. Findings are compared with democratic theory and conspiracy doctrine
http://abs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/53/6/826

Hmm.... that doesn't sound 9/11 truthie either... in fact that discusses the Irancontra affair...

In Denial of Democracy: Social Psychological Implications for Public Discourse on State Crimes Against Democracy Post-9/11 said:
Protecting democracy requires that the general public be educated on how people can be manipulated by government and media into forfeiting their civil liberties and duties. This article reviews research on cognitive constructs that can prevent people from processing information that challenges preexisting assumptions about government, dissent, and public discourse in democratic societies. Terror management theory and system justification theory are used to explain how preexisting beliefs can interfere with people’s examination of evidence for state crimes against democracy (SCADs), specifically in relation to the events of September 11, 2001, and the war on terror in Afghanistan and Iraq. Reform strategies are proposed to motivate citizens toward increased social responsibility in a post-9/11 culture of propagandized fear, imperialism, and war.
http://abs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/53/6/848


Ok. Again, nothing truthie there. It is talking about how the fear of what happened on 9/11 was used to form policy and set the war on terror in motion.

At best, that would be a possible LIHOP idea....

and like with the others it too is cited by an article in this same journal.
This article has been cited by other articles:
L. deHaven-Smith
Beyond Conspiracy Theory: Patterns of High Crime in American Government
American Behavioral Scientist, February 1, 2010; 53(6): 795 - 825.

how do you manage to take a new paper in a new edition of the journal and use it to support your other articles?

next

The USA PATRIOT Acts (et al.): Convergent Legislation and Oligarchic Isomorphism in the "Politics of Fear" and State Crime(s) Against Democracy (SCADs) said:
The irrelevance of habeas corpus and the abolition of "double jeopardy," secret and protracted outsourcing of detention and torture, and increasing geographic prevalence of surveillance technologies across Anglo-American "democracies" have many citizens concerned about the rapidly convergent, authoritarian behavior of political oligarchs and the actual destruction of sovereignty and democratic values under the onslaught of antiterrorism hubris, propaganda, and fear. This article examines synchronic legislative isomorphism in responses to 9/11 in the United States, the United Kingdom and European Union, and Australia in terms of enacted terrorism legislation and, also, diachronic, oligarchic isomorphism in the manufacture of fear within a convergent world by comparing the "Politics of Fear" being practiced today to Stalinist—Russian and McCarthyist—U.S. abuse of "fear." The immediate future of Anglo-American democratic hubris, threats to civil society, and oligarchic threats to democratic praxis are canvassed. This article also raises the question as to whether The USA PATRIOT Acts of 2001/2006, sanctioned by the U.S. Congress, are examples, themselves, of state crimes against democracy. In the very least, any democratically inclined White House occupant in 2009 would need to commit to repealing these repressive, and counterproductive, acts.
http://abs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/53/6/885

So again, this focuses on the abuses of power which have occured AFTER 9/11 but doesn't support any truthie agenda.

This article opens with an inventory of how popular culture passion plays are homologous to the stampeding disenfranchisement everywhere of working classes and the emasculation of professional codes of ethics under siege by neoliberal initiatives and gambits.The article then examines a recent example of contemporary,"deconstructive" scholarly analysis and inventory of presidential "Orwellian doublespeak." The preoccupation among contemporary critical scholarship with "discourse analysis" and language gambits is criticized for displacing interrogation of real-event anomalies, as with the porous account given by the 9/11 Commission for what happened that fateful day. The article concludes by explaining how critical scholarship consistently falls short of unmasking Master Signifiers.
http://abs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/53/6/921

Ah ha. So we have one journal article which seems to ...be looking at the double talk of politicans and issues with displacing the interroation of real event anomalies" but doesn't seem to be supporting any truther agenda (except that the 9/11 cR wasn't indepth enough)

Wowswers... stop the presses.

a quick, cursory examination of the abstracts completely destroys the claims of the 9/11 twoof movement.

And that isn't an indepth analysis of the articles (which from the abstracts do not support truthers).

I'll get back to you on sunday (when I go back to work) after I have read these articles...

but this feels like the truth fail of the verinage technique crush down thread....

ETA: I have written to each of the authors about how the 9/11 truth movement is using their paper (which they haven't read) to try to push the idea that 9/11 was an inside job and are trying to cite these papers as being peer reviewed which supports the position of an inside job. I'll post any and all replies I get from the authors verbatim (except for editing out my name and email)
 
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On the site of www.ae911truth.org/ - which is the organisation of 1,100 architects and engineers who are demanding a new and independent investigation of 9/11 there is a new article you may not be aware of.

Mar 3, 2010
'' Entire February 2010 Issue of the American Behavioral Scientist Devoted to State Crimes Against Democracy: The Case of September 11, 2001 ''
 
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On the site of www.ae911truth.org/ - which is the organisation of 1,100 architects and engineers who are demanding a new and independent investigation of 9/11 there is a new article you may not be aware of.

Mar 3, 2010
'' Entire February 2010 Issue of the American Behavioral Scientist Devoted to State Crimes Against Democracy: The Case of September 11, 2001 ''
Look up.^
 
At least you recognize the conflict of interest involved with trying to get a thorough and conclusive report out of the Commission.

No, I don't. Because I don't believe that the government is covering anything up, although it's possible that a few individuals may have remained reticent to avoid having blame placed on them.
 
"Mainstream media"? Did you post the wrong video?

My God--I just realised. This could be blown up into a New Hampshire CAN thing and I could see that going National in a New York minute.

WashintonCAN...LosAngelesCAN...CaliforniaCAN.......Damn........it could be nigh on UNSTOPPABLE.

We could highlight how the people were basically cheated at the New York CAN thing late last year...People wouldn't like that if they knew en masse..
 
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Note here is the email I sent to the authors of the papers in the Feb 2010 American Behavioral Scientist

Hello.

I am sorry to bother you, but I have a few questions concerning your articles which appeared in the American Behavioral Scientist's February 2010 edition.

First off I must apologize, I have not read the articles (yet). I am off for the weekend, and only have access to our schools online databases from my office, or the on campus library. So I apologize for not reading your articles (yet).

My question actually is in reference to certain groups who are attempting to use your articles ot support an agenda, and to ask you if you approve of or agree with the group.

The 9/11 Truth movement is pointing to the publication of your articles as a triumph for the 9/11 truth movement
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I am writing to you to see if you agree with their assessment, if you concur with their point of view that the United States government either knew of the attacks of 9/11 and let them happen, or that the US government actually murdered 3,000 of their citizens.

Would you care to reply to these questions?
Do you support the position taken by the AE911truth organization?
Have they honestly and accurately taken your words, or have they taken your research out of context?

Thank you for your time, and I look forward to your answers.

I'll post the answers as I get them.
 
My God--I just realised. This could be blown up into a New Hampshire CAN thing and I could see that going National in a New York minute.

You don't actually know anything about this do you? Do you know why they picked New Hampshire to do this "ballot" blitz? Do you know what it would mean if passed?


ETA: There's 221 towns and 13 cities in NH. I'm not impressed with the "truthers" efforts.
 
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