Merged Interesting Analysis of Changing Media Attitudes toward 9/11 Alternative Theories

DGM said:
Shouldn't you start by actually proving that there were errors and omissions in the reports?

What's stopping the "truth" movement from doing a real investigation? Journalists do it all the time. And they get results.

Doesn't it make you wonder why the "truth" leaders don't publish their work (in legitimate journals)?
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We know that the testimony of the 118 firefighters who describe explosons in graphic detail were all witheld from the 9/11 commission. There could be no more serious omission than that. Video available on request.
 
DGM said:
Shouldn't you start by actually proving that there were errors and omissions in the reports?

What's stopping the "truth" movement from doing a real investigation? Journalists do it all the time. And they get results.

Doesn't it make you wonder why the "truth" leaders don't publish their work (in legitimate journals)?
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Several independent journalists HAVE done their own investigations and they have been blacked out of the main stream news here in the US. In order to do the kind of investigation needed to get results it would need to be officially sanctioned and well funded. Grand juries should be impaneled at all three crash sights and also the points where the planes/weapons originated. Six grand juries and prosecurors who have no fear of getting to the truth no matter who it leads to, NO BUSH appointees or hacks. Three thousand dead-no grand juries, no subpoenas, no sworn witnesses. The 911 commission was an obvious farce and whitewash.
 
bill smith said:
We know that the testimony of the 118 firefighters who describe explosons in graphic detail were all witheld from the 9/11 commission. There could be no more serious omission than that. Video available on request.
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That doesn't count. Those firemen were mistaken. Enough with the woo-filth. Gravy debunked those firemen on one of the Gravysites where 911 truthers go to DIE. Willie Rodriguez is a liar who is selling out for the truth money. bla bla bla bla.
 
bill smith said:
We know that the testimony of the 118 firefighters who describe explosons in graphic detail were all witheld from the 9/11 commission. There could be no more serious omission than that. Video available on request.
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Because the commission knew what a simile is. Have any of these guys come forward and said they believe there were bombs? You don't have to answer we all ready know (and so do the "readers").
 
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Dandyone said:
Several independent journalists HAVE done their own investigations and they have been blacked out of the main stream news here in the US.
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By who? Can you offer some proof that they just didn't deem their work credible?

Dandyone said:
In order to do the kind of investigation needed to get results it would need to be officially sanctioned and well funded.
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Do you know how much was spent on all of the investigations to date? (not just the 9/11 commission report). Could you tell me when the investigations ended?
Dandyone said:
Grand juries should be impaneled at all three crash sights and also the points where the planes/weapons originated. Six grand juries and prosecutors who have no fear of getting to the truth no matter who it leads to, NO BUSH appointees or hacks. Three thousand dead-no grand juries, no subpoenas, no sworn witnesses. The 911 commission was an obvious farce and whitewash.
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That's all well and good but, until the "truth" movement can come up with a credible reason to doubt the reports made to date, it's not going to happen.
 
Dandyone said:
That doesn't count. Those firemen were mistaken. Enough with the woo-filth. Gravy debunked those firemen on one of the Gravysites where 911 truthers go to DIE. Willie Rodriguez is a liar who is selling out for the truth money. bla bla bla bla.
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On the infinite monkeys / Time scale, I would rate that at twenty-three monkeys and four and a half hours.
 
DGM said:
Dandyone and Bill:
You will have to excuse me, "This Old House" is on and I have cake to eat. :D
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Happy birth day, I mowed my lawn again this week in honor of your birthday.

Which part of the media thinks 911 truth is a bunch of crazies are 911 truth supporters unable to grasp?

Have a great day, after 8 years for 911 truth the outlook is more of the same, crazy claims, crazy conclusions, and labeled crazies by the media.
 
Dandyone said:
No, but I think it would generate more public awareness regarding the errors and ommissions in the 911 report and the oficial story in general. (I know, that is D.R. Griffin, you hate him he is an idiot etc., don't bother)

A widely viewed public debate could possibly exert pressure on our elected officials to support a real investigation of what happened on 911, who was behind it and who covered it up. I say, bring it all to the light of day. And for their part in running the Salem News story, I commend Russia Today.
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Oh no.

I dont' hate D.R. Griffin. I just know he is wrong. And he is WAYYYYYY outside of his field.

Can you tell me why anyone should listen to a theologian talking about engineering? Unless you are saying GOD DID IT? Are you saying that?

150 errors in 150 pages..
 
TruthersLie said:
Oh no.

I dont' hate D.R. Griffin. I just know he is wrong. And he is WAYYYYYY outside of his field.

Can you tell me why anyone should listen to a theologian talking about engineering? Unless you are saying GOD DID IT? Are you saying that?

150 errors in 150 pages..
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Dr Griffin makes many excellent points and has written some good informative books on the subject, but I don't think he is a very good public spokesman for 911 truth, nor do I think Gage is. I don't recall anyone saying that God did it except Jerry Falwell. As I said, I like Paul Craig Roberts, Bob Bowman, Ray McGovern and several others better.

Relax there kid, you seem to be wound a little tight. Your screen name already indicates that you might be an angry baiter. So please calm down or I'll put you on ignore.
 
Grifter once "proved" that non-responsive planes are normally intercepted within ten minutes. His source? The instruction manual for a video game (seriously)!

I find it amazing that idiots give that fraud money.
 
Dandyone said:
Dr Griffin makes many excellent points and has written some good informative books on the subject, but I don't think he is a very good public spokesman for 911 truth, nor do I think Gage is. I don't recall anyone saying that God did it except Jerry Falwell. As I said, I like Paul Craig Roberts, Bob Bowman, Ray McGovern and several others better.
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Great. Then you will admit his is WAY OUTSIDE OF HIS FIELD, won't you?

A theologian who makes over 150 errors in 150 pages... wow... that is great scholarship son. Really. Truely.

Now if GOD did it, then DRG can weigh in. Otherwise he is outclassed and out gunned by real engineers, and over 75 peer reviewed engineering journal articles. How many do you twoofs have again? Speak up, I can't hear you.

Relax there kid, you seem to be wound a little tight. Your screen name already indicates that you might be an angry baiter. So please calm down or I'll put you on ignore.
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I just want you to answer simple questions with fact. JUST ONE FACT is all I am asking. You claim the 9/11 cr was a whitewash... great. then you can PROVE it. Try again.
 
Dandyone said:
Several independent journalists HAVE done their own investigations and they have been blacked out of the main stream news here in the US. In order to do the kind of investigation needed to get results it would need to be officially sanctioned and well funded. Grand juries should be impaneled at all three crash sights and also the points where the planes/weapons originated. Six grand juries and prosecurors who have no fear of getting to the truth no matter who it leads to, NO BUSH appointees or hacks. Three thousand dead-no grand juries, no subpoenas, no sworn witnesses. The 911 commission was an obvious farce and whitewash.
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Given that it was quite likely to be the most watched terrorist attack in history I'd be hard pressed to believe that US media personnel would be the only ones pursuing a matter as big as this one. I'm even more surprised that governments with hardliner policies against the US and its interests haven't brought this up yet. Such a breakthrough would be well within their own interests to expose had they the chance.

For god sakes, people were using twitter to bypass infringements on freedom of speech in Iran despite an internet censorship campaign, and the brutality of arrests there.

The internet is as much a means for idiocy to circulate as it is for valid data leakage these days; so there's no reason this wouldn't have weeded its way through the woodwork
 
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Dandyone said:
Dr Griffin makes many excellent points and has written some good informative books on the subject, but I don't think he is a very good public spokesman for 911 truth, nor do I think Gage is. I don't recall anyone saying that God did it except Jerry Falwell. As I said, I like Paul Craig Roberts, Bob Bowman, Ray McGovern and several others better.

Relax there kid, you seem to be wound a little tight. Your screen name already indicates that you might be an angry baiter. So please calm down or I'll put you on ignore.
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You mentioned people who the media sees as crazies.

Griffin is a nut case he can't figure out anything on 911. Your failure to understand Griffin is a liar is due to what?

The more 911 truth tires to get press the more the media will expose them as kooks. They just did it the other day! Gage failed to get attention. He is a fraud and so easy to debunk since he joined the kool-aid cult of Jones and his insane thermite delusion.

Check the news for 911 truth movement! There is nothing but a few fringe idiots who write Op Eds, not news.

8 years of failure and the media barely knows the fringe group which spreads lies. No change, the media identified 911 truth as crazies in the beginning and they are still crazy after all these years.
 
Why do the truthies have so much trouble answering simple questions?
 
Because they can't without making the answer much more complicated than necessary.
 
aggle-rithm said:
Sanctioned and funded by the same government that is trying to cover everything up. I see...
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At least you recognize the conflict of interest involved with trying to get a thorough and conclusive report out of the Commission.
 
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