Merged Interesting Analysis of Changing Media Attitudes toward 9/11 Alternative Theories

[bill smith]

Oh I see, you liked the top part but not the bottom part. What a surprise. I don't think RT espouses the Leninist doctrine. Russia in general is tired of the old PRAVDA type media. I commend them in their transition. Now it's time for the US to start their transition. I submit the New York Times is a "corporate run" propaganda factory. Remember Judith Miller, Ahmed Chalibi and their secret informer "screwball" (or something like that)? Their little ruse was a big part of the start of the carnage in Iraq which has killed million+ and counting.

Compared to FOX and CNN, RT is a breath of fresh air and I predict that it will thrive in the free market of ideas. ABC News has shut down its oversas operations. Same old propaganda is not cutting it anymore. You got FOX for the morons on one side, and RT for those who CAN handle the truth.

Hear hear. I hope you are right.

 

[bill smith]

In 1980 or so there were about 50 major media corporatione in America which guaranteed a large measure of competition and independence which was greatly in the public interest. Then Reagen deregulated the media which is now owned by about 5 entities. Anybody see the potential problems for the public interest ?

 

[The Big Dog]

Oh I see, you liked the top part but not the bottom part. What a surprise. I don't think RT espouses the Leninist doctrine. Russia in general is tired of the old PRAVDA type media. I commend them in their transition. Now it's time for the US to start their transition. I submit the New York Times is a "corporate run" propaganda factory. Remember Judith Miller, Ahmed Chalibi and their secret informer "screwball" (or something like that)? Their little ruse was a big part of the start of the carnage in Iraq which has killed million+ and counting.

Compared to FOX and CNN, RT is a breath of fresh air and I predict that it will thrive in the free market of ideas. ABC News has shut down its oversas operations. Same old propaganda is not cutting it anymore. You got FOX for the morons on one side, and RT for those who CAN handle the truth.

In case you hadn't noticed, I got a real tear in my eye.

Comrade, I don't often use the word hero, but you are the Greatest hero in Soviet Russian History.

Here's to you, my friend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fRU_k4tjoU

 

[The Big Dog]

In 1980 or so there were about 50 major media corporatione in America which guaranteed a large measure of competition and independence which was greatly in the public interest. Then Reagen deregulated the media which is now owned by about 5 entities. Anybody see the potential problems ?

Awesome point! I mean if only there was a place that was interconnected by means of computers, say in a "net" or even a world wide "web" of computers whereby correct thinking people could simply type in and read the information they seek.

 

[Dandyone]

In case you hadn't noticed, I got a real tear in my eye.

Comrade, I don't often use the word hero, but you are the Greatest hero in Soviet Russian History.

Here's to you, my friend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fRU_k4tjoU

Thanks for that. I am very happy for Russia as it seems that they are getting out from under the old USSR doldrums. I have always liked the Russian people, and it's about time they get a taste of freedom. I also wish RT the best in their quest for a piece of the dream in starting up their worldwide 24hr news network. So far, they have been very impressive. Nice song and some beautiful images. Nostrivia!!

The greatest hero in USSR history would probably be Jacob Schiff and his Uncle Meyer Rothschild for bankrolling that mess. GOOD RIDDANCE USSR!! Hello Russia.

 

[Dandyone]

I have contacted RT regarding a professionally produced debate on 911-truth. I suggested that the debunking side round up their 4 strongest candidates and 911 truth do the same, with a neutral mediator. This could get world wide coverage if they will agree. I'm waiting for a response. Perhaps this legendary Gravy cat, (he likes Freddie Hubbard so he can't be all bad) could round up a ballclub and we'll see what happens. I would not be surprised if they get back to me on this.

 

[The Big Dog]

I have contacted RT regarding a professionally produced debate on 911-truth. I suggested that the debunking side round up their 4 strongest candidates and 911 truth do the same, with a neutral mediator. This could get world wide coverage if they will agree. I'm waiting for a response. Perhaps this legendary Gravy cat, (he likes Freddie Hubbard so he can't be all bad) could round up a ballclub and we'll see what happens. I would not be surprised if they get back to me on this.

In case you hadn't noticed, I bet you that they will get back to you! The KGB is always looking for gullible mopes bright young minds to spread their information.

Great find Dandyone! Maybe while you are talking to them you could get some tips in industrial spying too!

Keep on TRUTHING!

 

[dudalb]

Thanks for that. I am very happy for Russia as it seems that they are getting out from under the old USSR doldrums. I have always liked the Russian people, and it's about time they get a taste of freedom. I also wish RT the best in their quest for a piece of the dream in starting up their worldwide 24hr news network. So far, they have been very impressive. Nice song and some beautiful images. Nostrivia!!

The greatest hero in USSR history would probably be Jacob Schiff and his Uncle Meyer Rothschild for bankrolling that mess. GOOD RIDDANCE USSR!! Hello Russia.

And the new Breed of Useful Idiots for Putin arrives....

And I see you are buying into the "Russian Revolution was a Jewish Plot" crapola.

Btw I am amused the somebody who screams about how corrupt the US government is is so fond of the Russain Government. Last time I looked, the level of official corruption in Russia made anything in the US look like the work of amateurs in comparasion.

 

[Dandyone]

In case you hadn't noticed, I bet you that they will get back to you! The KGB is always looking for gullible mopes bright young minds to spread their information.

Great find Dandyone! Maybe while you are talking to them you could get some tips in industrial spying too!

Keep on TRUTHING!

The "industrial spying" in the US is controlled mainly by Mossad, and they don't get along very well with the Russians anymore. The Russians are not spending too much effort sneaking around the US anymore. Seems they have their hands full watching their own borders which are being surrounded by NATO right now. Also they are building up their production in energy rescources, instead of going around the world trying to get their mitts on everyone elses like some people. It might be a good idea for us to concentrate on stuff like that for a while too. You know, actually producing more than you consume. Didn't we use to do that at one time not too long ago?

So I take it you or the super-debunkers would not be interested in a public debate. OK

 

[beachnut]

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So I take it you or the super-debunkers would not be interested in a public debate. OK

I can see it now.

Today the crazies (as seen in the media) debate the rational people. Oops, the crazies won with the beam weapon, everyone agree with the beam weapon did 911, even though there is not enough energy to dustify steel, the Matrix minded kids on the super duper nano Internet love the dustified steel it is so insane they voted the rational people off the Island.

Next debate is!!! Is a jet engine really a wheel-cover! Hurry back for the next debate with a crazy. News follows...

The more noise 911 truth makes to make into the media, the more they will be seen as nut cased and crazies.

 

[bill smith]

The "industrial spying" in the US is controlled mainly by Mossad, and they don't get along very well with the Russians anymore. The Russians are not spending too much effort sneaking around the US anymore. Seems they have their hands full watching their own borders which are being surrounded by NATO right now. Also they are building up their production in energy rescources, instead of going around the world trying to get their mitts on everyone elses like some people. It might be a good idea for us to concentrate on stuff like that for a while too. You know, actually producing more than you consume. Didn't we use to do that at one time not too long ago?

So I take it you or the super-debunkers would not be interested in a public debate. OK

I am, If RT are interested you could open a thread on the jref and we could brainstorm some ideas for a good format all together. Maybe you could get the RT producer to particiate or at least watch annd maybe comment here and there through emails to you ?

 

[dudalb]

The "industrial spying" in the US is controlled mainly by Mossad, and they don't get along very well with the Russians anymore. The Russians are not spending too much effort sneaking around the US anymore. Seems they have their hands full watching their own borders which are being surrounded by NATO right now. Also they are building up their production in energy rescources, instead of going around the world trying to get their mitts on everyone elses like some people. It might be a good idea for us to concentrate on stuff like that for a while too. You know, actually producing more than you consume. Didn't we use to do that at one time not too long ago?

So I take it you or the super-debunkers would not be interested in a public debate. OK

Wow, you ARE drinking the Vladamir Putin brand of This:

 

[Dandyone]

And the new Breed of Useful Idiots for Putin arrives....

And I see you are buying into the "Russian Revolution was a Jewish Plot" crapola.

Btw I am amused the somebody who screams about how corrupt the US government is is so fond of the Russain Government. Last time I looked, the level of official corruption in Russia made anything in the US look like the work of amateurs in comparasion.

I don't think that the Russian Revolution was a "Jewish Plot". But many of the major players happened to be Jewish, (Schiff, Rothschild, Trotsky). I don't think any of these guys believed in god, but they claimed to be Jewish. Hitler was a Christian, but that doesn't make Nazism a "Christian Plot". Criminals and despots come from people of all races and religions. Many Jews were murdered and persecuted under Soviet rule.

I agree that there is much corruption in Russia, but all in all I think they are moving in the right direction. I am suspicious of Putin as he is ex KGB and looks like a little sneak, but in talking to many Russian immigrants with family back there, I get the feeling that there is a sense of awakening freedom that has never been present in Russia before. And I really like what I have seen of Russia Today as an alternative news source. Another view can never hurt.

 

[beachnut]

That seems to be the prevailing theory here. You have touched on all the talking points. With your fear of UBL, shouldn't you be out on the front lines gallantly waging the all important war of terror?

With your support of 911 truth, should you first have evidence? Without evidence 911 truth has made up lies.

UBL does not lie, he kills Americans.
911 truth does lie, they apologize poorly for UBL

over 42,000 killed in traffic accidents in 2001 is a bigger killer then the weak neurotic murder who lets his followers do the killing for him; UBL is pathetic. You are giving the free pass to UBL, he is an idiot, a murder and ineffective, like 911 truth, not too smart.



Why be afraid of UBL, because he is more effective than 911 truth?

The Media will expose 911 truth as the mental morons they are on 911 issues. They will expose them as liars when 911 truth becomes an issue. But an Internet army of cult members repeating hearsay and lies is not news.

The OP is about the fabrication of 911 truth trying to act big and important as if they were a real movement.

 

[DGM]

I have contacted RT regarding a professionally produced debate on 911-truth. I suggested that the debunking side round up their 4 strongest candidates and 911 truth do the same, with a neutral mediator.

What exactly is left to debate? The "truth" movement hasn't done anything in over a year. Why not have them rerun some of the old "Hardfire" debates.

 

[Dandyone]

What exactly is left to debate? The "truth" movement hasn't done anything in over a year. Why not have them rerun some of the old "Hardfire" debates.

I just watched the Hardfire debate between Roberts and Gage. I don't think it was conclusive as Gage is not exactly the greatest spokesman, but I think he clearly won. Roberts made some pretty good points also but his name calling and constant interuptions were pretty telling, and he ducked many issues. Gage definitely seemed like a lot nicer person, maybe too nice. I'd like to see Paul Craig Roberts get involved in a debate with a so called debunker. Roberts is very intelligent, articulate and credible. He would be my choice to speak for those like myself who don't believe the official story.

 

[DGM]

I just watched the Hardfire debate between Roberts and Gage. I don't think it was conclusive as Gage is not exactly the greatest spokesman, but I think he clearly won.

How can you "win" a debate if you can not prove what your claiming?

Thomas is very intelligent, articulate and credible. He would be my choice to speak for those like myself who don't believe the official story.

It sounds to me like your suggesting a "debate" that has little to do with proving ones points and everything to do with who can be the better salesman.

Is that the way to actually get the "truth"?

 

[Dandyone]

How can you "win" a debate if you can not prove what your claiming?



It sounds to me like your suggesting a "debate" that has little to do with proving ones points and everything to do with who can be the better salesman.

Is that the way to actually get the "truth"?

No, but I think it would generate more public awareness regarding the errors and ommissions in the 911 report and the oficial story in general. (I know, that is D.R. Griffin, you hate him he is an idiot etc., don't bother)

A widely viewed public debate could possibly exert pressure on our elected officials to support a real investigation of what happened on 911, who was behind it and who covered it up. I say, bring it all to the light of day. And for their part in running the Salem News story, I commend Russia Today.

 

[beachnut]

How can you "win" a debate if you can not prove what your claiming?



It sounds to me like your suggesting a "debate" that has little to do with proving ones points and everything to do with who can be the better salesman.

Is that the way to actually get the "truth"?

They don't have to tell the truth they have to tell lies real nice and sweet, then 911 truthers believe who is nicer and has the most fictional claptrap. If they wanted reality they would not be in 911 truth.

What is next? Dandyone thinks the Jews did it? Why prove it when they can say it real nice.

 

[DGM]

No, but I think it would generate more public awareness regarding the errors and ommissions in the 911 report and the oficial story in general. (I know, that is D.R. Griffin, you hate him he is an idiot etc., don't bother)

A widely viewed public debate could possibly exert pressure on our elected officials to support a real investigation of what happened on 911, who was behind it and who covered it up. I say, bring it all to the light of day. And for their part in running the Salem News story, I commend Russia Today.

Shouldn't you start by actually proving that there were errors and omissions in the reports?

What's stopping the "truth" movement from doing a real investigation? Journalists do it all the time. And they get results.

Doesn't it make you wonder why the "truth" leaders don't publish their work (in legitimate journals)?