The topic is about the crazies, the 911 truthers and how the media is exposing them. But you are not on topic again. Are you going to report yourself?
Merged Interesting Analysis of Changing Media Attitudes toward 9/11 Alternative Theories
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bill smith
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is this the final confirmation that the OCT is finished ? Debunkers pay attention and get your passports up to date.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUmGvyUIU_E&feature=player_embedded#
Did you notice that the presentor of the clip said. '[9/11] is not a question of who or why anymore. It's only a question of how.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUmGvyUIU_E&feature=player_embedded#
Did you notice that the presentor of the clip said. '[9/11] is not a question of who or why anymore. It's only a question of how.
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I noticed that on RT Wikki Page, it says that RT is available on Direct TV. I can't seem to find it. What an excellent network. I remember when the Russians kicked the Georgians out of South Ossetia a year or so ago, RT did a great job of getting the other side of the story out before the US cable networks could go into full propaganda mode regarding that incident. I hope that soon this station will be widely available and widely watched here in the US, and around the world. For a new network they seem to be doing extremely well according to Wikki.
I wonder if they would set aside a couple hours for a fair debate between leading truthers and some of the super debunkers here ant JREF and where ever else they reside. I'm going to contact the producers at RT and see what they are wiling to arrange. The 911 piece you linked to was excellent. Thanks
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There is absolutely no doubt that Russian Times upholds the high, high standards of Pravda. I mean look at the excellent work they have done on the 911 piece, there was nearly a full two words before the first exaggeration, and then almost five full seconds before the first lie.
Bill, Dandyone, thanks for drawing this arm of the Russian Government to our attention.
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bill smith
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You are sounding gobsmacked Carlitios. lol
In case you hadn't noticed, FOX, CNN, NBC, ABC ad the rest have kinda slanted their coverage in favor of the "War On Terror" fraud. (from which millions of deaths have resulted) Before that, they were a de facto wing of the American government for the "Cold War" in all their coverage regarding that conflict.
Naturally RT will have a Russian slant. What I was commenting on was the fact that they give equal time to both sides of the 911 issue. I know as far as you and your cohorts are concerned there is no issue, but here and around the world there are millions who would like this issue and many others to be discussed in more open and fair way. On every US network the bulk of coverage regarding this has been pretty ridiculous, consisting of mocking and ignoring those who ask questions.
In my opinion the more diverse sources we have or information, the better. Free enterprise in the media will be good for all.
aggle-rithm
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There are only two sides?
DGM
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Just out of curiosity:
Do you think the networks should devote more time to scientology, homeopathy and extraterrestrials?
UBL must be laughing at the crazies known as 911 truth. '
UBL has not changed his attitude, and will kill Americans as he promised in the 90s, he is patient and while 911 truth spews lies, UBL is waiting to kill Americans again. Unlike 911 truth, UBL takes action, 911 truth lies.
Media attitude is moving to put 911 truth in the crazy conspiracy theorist category. Nothing they do is relevant, nothing they do is based on evidence. As UBL does not care if he gets around to killing Americans next week or the next decade, his attitude is the same 911 truth is failure.
911 truth have not issues backed with evidence, they are telling lies and it is easy to see when the media takes the time to see everything 911 truth has is a pathetic, moronic lie based on hearsay and delusions. If 911 truth was bigger, the coverage would expose them as idiots and liars; but 911 truth is a very small fringe of people who can't think for themselves and some insane people like Dr. Jones who thinks the US caused the crisis in Haiti, as he is very insane, and he made up thermite with zero evidence. Now he is backing in evidence my making up more lies.
The media usually ignores crazies, they are not a big story.
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"In case you hadn't noticed"... damn that is one **** of a powerful opening statment. It puts people on notice that there is going to be a sixth or even seventh grade level argument following. Silly me, and my stupid knowledge of history and things like the Pentagon Papers, bombing in Cambodia, Watergate, IranContra and all the others times the stupid media fell asleep on the job.
/I assume you put the "free enterprise" comment in there for the lulz, as we are talking about a state supported propaganda arm of the Russian Government.
"In Case You Hadn't Noticed." Can I borrow that?
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That seems to be the prevailing theory here. You have touched on all the talking points. With your fear of UBL, shouldn't you be out on the front lines gallantly waging the all important war of terror?
DGM
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That's interesting. Why not Scientology? Do you realize that Scientology is in all likelihood more popular (at least better known) then 9/11 truth.
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That is because Dandyone is a person with standards. He doesn’t support a belief system based on myths , lies and contradictions.
Scientology is the exploitation of the gullible by the delusional, whereas the 9/11 truth movement is the reverse.
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Your rabid sarcasm is noted. Also I would rate your attempt to insult my intelligence at a strong 3.5 on a scale of 10. Thanks for that, as it shows that you really care.
Is the first part of the Wikki piece below what you are trying to convey? That part sounds like they think this network is an EVIL ENTITY!!! Hmmmm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)
CRITICISMS
Western state and commercial media claim that RT has close ties with the Russian state authorities[10][11][12][13][14] and a few years after the channel started broadcasting, for being a "cheerleader" of the Kremlin,[12] applying positive spin to reports about governmental institutions, refraining from criticizing Prime Minister and former Russian president Vladimir Putin or the government, and deliberately and incessantly engaging in US/NATO/EU-bashing through "interviews" in which only Russian ultra-nationalists or highly critical, anti-western "experts" are interviewed--without any probing questions or challenges by the RT reporters, and without even bothering to hear opposing points of view.[2] RT itself claims to be funded by the Russian government.[15] A CBC News story contains allegations that RT is "a continuation of the old Soviet propaganda services".[2] Western commercial media, including The New York Times, routinely call it "state-run".[16]
But this part sounds like they may be on the level and just trying to be a part of the world wide info network and have no nefarious designs. hmmmm
One senior journalist at RT called these allegations of bias "nonsense". "The Russian coverage I have seen has been much better than much of the Western coverage," he said, adding, "My view is that RT is not particularly biased at all. When you look at the Western media, there is a lot of genuflection towards the powers that be. Russian news coverage is largely pro-Russia, but that is to be expected."[17]Also the head of the Russian governmental media watchdog Russian Federal Press and Mass Communications Agency, Mikhail Seslavinskii, denied there is any state censorship and stated that the RT works on its own as an independent editorial office.[11] Supporters say that putting forward a "positive view of Russia" is no different than what many other countries do.[2]
And the TRUTH is usually some combination of the two. At any rate, they acted more like professionals while letting the gentleman from Salem News express his opinions than any US network has up to this point. I like that. I suspect that any one of your "debunking legends" here at JREF would be given the same consideration on RT. Have any of you "serious debunkers" tried to get on for a rebuttal of this piece?
And yes, you have my permission to use my opening line. Thanks for asking.
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In case you hadn't noticed (see? damn, that makes for one hell of a grabber of an opening in ANY BODY's book) citing wikipedia as an authoritative source is the mark of the truth debater! Well done my young friend!
In case you hadn't noticed (Nirvana!), the parts you actually do cite to support your case are self-interested denials by the propagandists themselves.
New York Times: RT is a "state-run" propaganda factory.
RT: Nuh-Uh.
Case ****ing closed man!
You should consider yourself a National hero, you’ll probably get the Order of Lenin for this.
Has Russian Today exposed the existing laws of thermodynamics for the flat earth hoaxes that they are yet?
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dudalb
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Oh I see, you liked the top part but not the bottom part. What a surprise. I don't think RT espouses the Leninist doctrine. Russia in general is tired of the old PRAVDA type media. I commend them in their transition. Now it's time for the US to start their transition. I submit the New York Times is a "corporate run" propaganda factory. Remember Judith Miller, Ahmed Chalibi and their secret informer "screwball" (or something like that)? Their little ruse was a big part of the start of the carnage in Iraq which has killed million+ and counting.
Compared to FOX and CNN, RT is a breath of fresh air and I predict that it will thrive in the free market of ideas. ABC News has shut down its oversas operations. Same old propaganda is not cutting it anymore. You got FOX for the morons on one side, and RT for those who CAN handle the truth.