Orca kills trainer at SeaWorld Orlando

[JcR]

The southern resident J, K, and L pods J Clan

The northern residents A, G, and R clans

http://wildwhales.org/?page_id=44

 

[scissorhands]

Its fortunate that the employers of that trainer, werent aware of the history of the animal in question, otherwise they could be seen to be grossly negligent of staff safety.

 

[bluesjnr]

But what expertise in Orca biology is this based on?

The same expertise that is presented here in this thread in it's entirety. None whatsoever.

Nada. Nothing. Nowt. Bugger all.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The same expertise that is presented here in this thread in it's entirety. None whatsoever.

Nada. Nothing. Nowt. Bugger all.

I want to point out I am deferring to the Sea World and Jack Hanna claims of expertise without individually verifying their claims. It's my opinion these are reliable sources since Hanna has a long history of working with zoos and animals in the wild. And I can't imagine a corporation as large as Sea World with the millions invested in these Orcas would not have expertise on their staff as to how to properly house and care for the animals.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

WTF are they talking about? No evidence that another trainer paid Tilly to kill her?

It sounds like they can't fathom (ahem) the possibility that a cetacean is clever enough to kill a trainer. It sounds like they don't think a killer whale is capable of intent.

Obviously, I offer my sympathy and condolences to the family, but I do think it's time we stop using wild animals in entertainment. There are more than enough humans that would voluntarily provide all our entertainment. I never did get why watching conditioned animals is entertaining anyway.

(Lest anyone claim I'm being inconsistent in saying that a cetacean is capable of intentional actions, but that their shows are merely conditioning: I've never heard of any cetaceans in the wild putting on performances.)

 

[scissorhands]

Its the millions invested in keeping these animals, that makes the death of the staff involved, less of a consideration.
Im not sure, but I think this particular animal has killed three people so far?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Its fortunate that the employers of that trainer, werent aware of the history of the animal in question, otherwise they could be seen to be grossly negligent of staff safety.

I'm not sure they still might not be found guilty of negligence. I think you could make a pretty strong case that it was their duty to know whether or not a wild animal capable of killing trainers has a history of killing humans.

On the other hand, with circus elephants, you hear stories all the time of males being docile around humans for many years, and then suddenly running amok.

 

[bluesjnr]

I want to point out I am deferring to the Sea World and Jack Hanna claims of expertise without individually verifying their claims. It's my opinion these are reliable sources since Hanna has a long history of working with zoos and animals in the wild. And I can't imagine a corporation as large as Sea World with the millions invested in these Orcas would not have expertise on their staff as to how to properly house and care for the animals.

I understand and thank you for the clarification.

Let's face it, at best it's an educated guess based on very little prior experience of to how to house and care for such an animal.

 

[Drudgewire]

Every time someone mentions the three deaths this whale has been involved with, they should point out one of them is sort of justified.

Yes whether it's a guy being dragged underwater with his genitalia caught in a blowhole like a vice or one who keeps getting arrested for boinking the same horse (that Jon Stewart found so damn funny), it seems we South Carolinians just didn't find the "cousins" stereotype embarrassing enough and have upped the ante to animals.

 

[bluesjnr]

Every time someone mentions the three deaths this whale has been involved with, they should point out one of them is sort of justified.

Yes whether it's a guy being dragged underwater with his genitalia caught in a blowhole like a vice or one who keeps getting arrested for boinking the same horse (that Jon Stewart found so damn funny), it seems we South Carolinians just didn't find the "cousins" stereotype embarrassing enough and have upped the ante to animals. [qimg]http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/banjo.gif[/qimg]

Are we talking about a guy humping a whale or a horse here? Would you really stand behind the journalism in the link you provided?

This thread has taken a really bizarre turn .

 

[Drudgewire]

you[/I] really stand behind the journalism in the link you provided?

Opie and Anthony fans recognized the whale as soon as the name was announced, as they had a lot of fun with the sordid details from way back. And the link I provided includes mainstream articles on the story.

And it made the local press here in Columbia when the family sued. I just chose the first link in a google search, trust me when I say very few of the facts are in dispute.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Are we talking about a guy humping a whale or a horse here? Would you really stand behind the journalism in the link you provided?

This thread has taken a really bizarre turn .

I think I'd feel safer behind than in front.

Why not kill two brids with one stone (as it were) and send the naughty orca to Japan for some tests?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I understand and thank you for the clarification.

Let's face it, at best it's an educated guess based on very little prior experience of to how to house and care for such an animal.

You mean our guesses in this thread or Sea World's? Because Sea World has been investing in research on the subject for many decades.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Every time someone mentions the three deaths this whale has been involved with, they should point out one of them is sort of justified....

And the decades of time one is talking about here, which no injuries or deaths occurred, and the circumstances of the deaths and so on. Anything less is absurd kneejerking.

 

[bluesjnr]

Opie and Anthony fans recognized the whale as soon as the name was announced,

I think I'd feel safer behind than in front.

Why not kill two brids with one stone (as it were) and send the naughty orca to Japan for some tests?

I have no problem with that. What is a "brid" A.A.A?

 

[bluesjnr]

You mean our guesses in this thread or Sea World's? Because Sea World has been investing in research on the subject for many decades.

SG I mean Sea Worlds because it is plenty clear to me that Orca's could not give a FF how much money has been spent.

 

[Drudgewire]

It's the sort of story that writes its own punchlines.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

I have no problem with that. What is a "brid" A.A.A?

Brid, was the beloved Goddess of the Celtic people.
But clearly my brid was a typo.

I wonder if orca's taste like chicken?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

SG I mean Sea Worlds because it is plenty clear to me that Orca's could not give a FF how much money has been spent.

Were you aware of the Hubbs-Seaworld Research Institute?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Its the millions invested in keeping these animals, that makes the death of the staff involved, less of a consideration.
Im not sure, but I think this particular animal has killed three people so far?

And has been responsible for the death of thousands of fish ...
Oh, my !