Flight 93

[CurtC]

Apparently there was this strange woman lying in a pond....

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you. If I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.

 

[tfk]

jam,

tom,
Your post does not appear to "connect the dots" as it were.

And I am not inclined to, and don't know how to, phrase this gently, but your post seems intentionally moronic.

Let me ask for sake of understanding whether you understand that the FBI is said to have given to United the debris it had collected?

Yes, I understand this.
Except "the debris" CLEARLY does not mean "all the debris".
After all, they held onto all the pieces that were to be presented as evidence at the Mousssaoui trial.

And I strongly suspect that the FBI kept those pieces in case they ever have to be used against any captured al Qaeda (including OBL) that are implicated in 9/11.

Our very own poster, DGM, claims to have corresponded with United and to have learned that United has no such debris and that such debris is not available for further inspection.

I believe that United told him this, and that he relayed the info accurately.

Of course, nothing that the FBI gave to United is likely usable in court due to "chain of custody" issues. That's why I believe that the FBI retained custody of sufficient hard evidence that they deemed adequate to prove the identity of the flight.

There are almost no reports of official validation of any plane debris based on serial number identification for any of the alleged 9/11 jetliner crashes, not merely FL 93.

"... almost no reports ..." All you need is one.
Because you don't know about something does not mean it doesn't exist.
The FBI & DA's are notoriously close mouthed about evidence in trials. You use that as a source of suspicion. I see SOP.

The information quoted below summarizes the FL 93 debris collection process information, of which there appears to me to be precious little.

First: The information below [from History Commons] summarizes the opinions of a bunch of amateurs (who are biased towards a conspiracy) about the FBI's process.

Let me be clear: WTF CARES what a bunch of amateurs think about the process?

Second: The info cited on History Commons shows 150 agents, in a small tract of land, who gathered up 95% of the plane.

This is not "precious little" debris collection.

They were also in the midst of the single biggest investigation in FBI history. They needed the man-power. And they had all the evidence that they needed.

[Feel free to wander up to Shanksville yourself & start digging around looking for the missile that shot the plane down. Let me know how that goes, when actually sane people catch you at it.]

But if you're whining that there is "precious little" public information about the FBI's procedures, well tough. Pull on your big-boy pants. The FBI doesn't answer to you. Or to me. Or to a bunch of whiney internet babies who demand (!!) to see everything that they've got. Right now!!

However, what may fairly be said about the handling of the alleged crash site is that the FBI seems to have done everything it could possibly do to make sure no one would ever be able to say what happened at Shanksville.

And this is exactly where your statements drift over the line into "moronic".

This is why I assert that what is described about FBI handling does not sound like the FBI. They are not incompetent, inherently. But, their handling of the FL 93 site seems to have been designed to thwart, rather than further, investigation, based on the quoted and sourced report.

Your "sourced & quoted" sources say nothing of the sort. That moronic interpretation of very reasonable reports is yours & yours alone.

It is within this frame of reference that it appears to me there is no hope of there being admissible evidence proving a jetliner crashed in Shanksville on 9/11.

And it is within this frame of reference that you sound like a complete idiot.

But you go with that one. "Idiot" may work for you.

Tell me something. Did they throw your azz out of law school for this sort of juvenile Hollywood drama?

Tom

 

[BigAl]

It's strange ho you ramble on about everything but the DNA and the boarding manifest.

How did body parts from all the people that boarded Flight 93 (as shown on the manifest) in Newark get to Shanksville, 120 minutes later (as identified by DNA)?

 

[bill smith]

It's strange ho you ramble on about everything but the DNA and the boarding manifest.

How did body parts from all the people that boarded Flight 93 (as shown on the manifest) in Newark get to Shanksville, 120 minutes later (as identified by DNA)?

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[lapman]

(September 11-27, 2001): FBI Leads Examination of Flight 93 Crash Scene; Supposedly Recovers 95 Percent of Plane The first FBI agents arrive at the Flight 93 crash scene soon after it goes down. [Kashurba, 2002, pp. 60] Due to the criminal nature of the crash, the FBI becomes lead authority for the investigation of the site. Attempts are made to have the area declared a federal disaster, but these are unsuccessful. [DMORT National News, 1/2002] For about two weeks, the FBI’s evidence recovery team of about 150 agents goes over the site with sifters, filtering evidence from the soil. It recovers about 510 pounds of human remains. [Longman, 2002, pp. 259; Age (Melbourne), 9/9/2002] Despite the lack of wreckage reported by those first at the crash scene (see (After 10:06 a.m.) September 11, 2001), the FBI claims that it recovers 95 percent of the plane. The largest piece found, it says, is a seven-foot-long piece of the fuselage skin, including four windows. With the exception of the two black boxes, all wreckage is passed on to United Airlines. Asked what United will do with this, a spokeswoman says, “I don’t think a decision has been made… but we’re not commenting.” [CNN, 9/24/2001; Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/25/2001] While conducting its investigation of the crash site, the FBI overrules a plan to carefully map the area and mark the positions of debris so as to determine exactly how Flight 93 crashed, claiming this would be too time-consuming (see September 16, 2001). [Longman, 2002, pp. 262] After it completes its work, the site becomes the responsibility of the county coroner, who continues the search for remains. [Longman, 2002, pp. 258-259]

510 punds of Human remains? Wait, didn't you state that did no remains existed? Are you going to change your position on that?

 

[jammonius]

greetings again tom,

jam,
And I am not inclined to, and don't know how to, phrase this gently, but your post seems intentionally moronic.

Well, I do not normally respond to posts that are impolite. Plus, it is unfortunate that your epithet obscures the fact that it is the FBI that has put us in a position where the alleged crash of FL 93 cannot now be proven. As you appear to have a facility for epithets, how, pray tell, do you describe the FBI's botched investigation of the Shanksville location? Surely your later claim that they were busy elsewhere is not your only EXCUSE for what they did, is it?

Except "the debris" CLEARLY does not mean "all the debris".
After all, they held onto all the pieces that were to be presented as evidence at the Mousssaoui trial.

Would you care to source your quoted speculation or do you choose to simply let it be understood you are engaging in speculative excuse making for the FBI's botched investigation?

And, to the extent you are engaging in excuse-making speculation, let me ask: Why are you finding it necessary to do that; and, what interest are you seeking to advance?

And I strongly suspect that the FBI kept those pieces in case they ever have to be used against any captured al Qaeda (including OBL) that are implicated in 9/11.

The strength of what you suspect, but have neither sourced, let alone proven, is noted. Would you care to add to your strong suspicion with some evidence and sourcing, even if it is of the weak variety?

I believe that United told him this, and that he relayed the info accurately.

I've noted it for my records, too.

Of course, nothing that the FBI gave to United is likely usable in court due to "chain of custody" issues. That's why I believe that the FBI retained custody of sufficient hard evidence that they deemed adequate to prove the identity of the flight.

"... almost no reports ..." All you need is one.
Because you don't know about something does not mean it doesn't exist.
The FBI & DA's are notoriously close mouthed about evidence in trials. You use that as a source of suspicion. I see SOP.


First: The information below [from History Commons] summarizes the opinions of a bunch of amateurs (who are biased towards a conspiracy) about the FBI's process.

Let me be clear: WTF CARES what a bunch of amateurs think about the process?

Second: The info cited on History Commons shows 150 agents, in a small tract of land, who gathered up 95% of the plane.

This is not "precious little" debris collection.

They were also in the midst of the single biggest investigation in FBI history. They needed the man-power. And they had all the evidence that they needed.

[Feel free to wander up to Shanksville yourself & start digging around looking for the missile that shot the plane down. Let me know how that goes, when actually sane people catch you at it.]

But if you're whining that there is "precious little" public information about the FBI's procedures, well tough. Pull on your big-boy pants. The FBI doesn't answer to you. Or to me. Or to a bunch of whiney internet babies who demand (!!) to see everything that they've got. Right now!!

Your detailed reply to the History Commons statement is much appreciated for its contribution to the discussion. I agree with you the History Commons compilers are amateurs. I've said earlier in this thread and in other threads that the principal issue here is the LACK of any official investigation that anyone can rely on.

History Commons, 9/11myths, wtclies, and all other compilations by amateurs of various newspaper clippings and other indirect sources are not strong evidence of any 9/11 claim, but they are all we have.

I am not here relying on History Commons as "evidence" any moreso than I would agree to anyone using wtclies, or 9/11myths or some other debunking site for purposes of proving anything about 9/11. We are all in the same boat in that respect; namely, the boat that has no official, validated explanation of what happened on 9/11.

That said, the History Commons information on FL 93 is a bit more devastating to the FBI than you have acknowledged, again, keeping in mind the History Commons is an information compilation put together by amateurs. HC is, however, a better source than the 9/11 Commission Report, the NIST Report and the Fema Report are.

I have here below segmented the History Commons statement into smaller sections for ease of understanding. Basically, HC contradicts just about everything you have speculated about as it relates to the loss of any possibility of having valid evidence to prove a jetliner crashed at Shanksville on 9/11.

In short, your quoted statements about both the value of the HC compilation, and your attempt to minimize the egregious nature of the FBI's handling of the investigation are grossly misrepresentative of what HC demonstrates and you do not prove your counter assertions with any sources whatsoever.

HC says:

"For about two weeks, the FBI’s evidence recovery team of about 150 agents goes over the site with sifters, filtering evidence from the soil. It recovers about 510 pounds of human remains. [Longman, 2002, pp. 259; Age (Melbourne), 9/9/2002]

Despite the lack of wreckage reported by those first at the crash scene (see (After 10:06 a.m.) September 11, 2001), the FBI claims that it recovers 95 percent of the plane. The largest piece found, it says, is a seven-foot-long piece of the fuselage skin, including four windows.

With the exception of the two black boxes, all wreckage is passed on to United Airlines.

Asked what United will do with this, a spokeswoman says, “I don’t think a decision has been made… but we’re not commenting.” [CNN, 9/24/2001; Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/25/2001] "

Note what the above discloses:

1--FBI investigation lasted a mere 2 weeks.

2--It claims 510lbs remains are collected (Big Al has not followed up on this)

3--95% wreckage recovery is achieved in the 2 week time period, with largest being "a seven-foot-long piece of the fuselage skin, including four windows." [The iconic photograph posted in this thread several times cannot be said to be 7feet, by its appearance and does not contain 4 windows.]

4--All except 2 black boxes given to United.

5--United spokesperson is quoted as of 9/24 and 9/25 on the basis of United already having the wreckage by that date.

There are other inferences reasonably drawn from factors 1--5. For instance, if United already had the wreckage by, say, 9/25/01, then it is unlikely the wreckage was tabulated, analyzed or identified via part number or in any other way prepared for use as evidence.

And this is exactly where your statements drift over the line into "moronic".

I am sorry you found it necessary to go the epithet route in your otherwise helpful post. Having repeated the epithet, it is not necessary to treat the remainder of your post, unless you modify your tone.

I have said many, many times, however, that 9/11 is an emotional issue provoking strong attachment to the defense of the common myth for very understandable reasons. I won't repeat them here, unless you'd like me to do so, tom. What I can say, instead, is that it is important to seek accountability for what the FBI did in connection with the utter annhiliation of the investigatory process as it relates to alleged FL 93.

 

[DGM]

It's strange ho you ramble on about everything but the DNA and the boarding manifest.

How did body parts from all the people that boarded Flight 93 (as shown on the manifest) in Newark get to Shanksville, 120 minutes later (as identified by DNA)?

Post 653:
Side note to Big Al: Your DNA evidence suffers from similar defects in how it was handled and in the particulars of the story about the DNA as well. You would do well to look that information up yourself before repeating your mantra about "...bin Laden and 19Arabs and boxcutters..." that you are so fond of posting up time and time again, as if you are having a hard time trying to convince yourself.

For what it's worth.

 

[BigAl]

2--it claims 510lbs remains are collected (big al has not followed up on this)

How did body parts from all the people that boarded Flight 93 (as shown on the manifest) in Newark get to Shanksville, 120 minutes later (as identified by DNA)?

DNA identification was addressed here Your position is reduced to that of accusing 102+ people of lying which is criminal in it's own right.

The DNA lab's entire staff of 102 DNA analysts, sample processors, and logistics and administrative personnel worked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week to complete the work.

DNA identifications for Flight 93 victims were sent to the Somerset County Coroner's Office for release. The Department of Defense released identification of Pentagon victims. All but four who worked in the Pentagon were identified. AFIP identified all but one of the passengers of Flight 77.

From the January 2002 Mercury, an Army Medical Department publication.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5640494#post5640494

 

[A W Smith]

The distance, between the windows shown on the 757 (assuming it is a 757) above in post 649, is approximately the height of each window. On the debris shown in post 620, the distance between the windows is approximately 2/3rds the height. Anybody know why this should be? Is the distance between windows standard on all 757's or does it vary with model?

Skinnier horses

 

[DGM]

jammonius:

Why don't you contact the volunteers that helped collect the parts/remains and ask them what they picked up?

Do you need me to give you the contact information?

 

[jammonius]

AW,

I'm surprised you'd make light of what is an obvious visual contradiction between what that piece of tin looks like and what a jetliner looks like. Did you ask yoda about this contradiction?

And, more importantly, are you willing to discuss what should be done to obtain accountability for the atrocious FBI botching of the FL 93 investigation to such a degree that the common myth of what happened there cannot ever be reliably proven?

 

[aggle-rithm]

The distance, between the windows shown on the 757 (assuming it is a 757)

If it isn't, then I don't know what the photo was doing on a web site devoted exclusively to 757's.

above in post 649, is approximately the height of each window. On the debris shown in post 620, the distance between the windows is approximately 2/3rds the height. Anybody know why this should be? Is the distance between windows standard on all 757's or does it vary with model?

The height of the windows in the debris is impossible to determine without knowing the angle of the shot. Width and the distance between the windows are therefore the most crucial measurements.

It's possible that the comparison I made between the 757 and the debris are out of scale...for instance, the windows in the debris could be half the size of the windows on the intact airliner, or some other size.

However, the fact that the width and distance between the windows are proportionately the same, coupled with the fact that the debris was found near the crash site of a 757, makes a pretty solid case that this is the debris from a 757.

 

[lapman]

1--FBI investigation lasted a mere 2 weeks.

This follows the myth that there is a specific amount of time that an investigation is supposed to last. Believers in this myth have continuously failed to provide proof that the investigation at the crash site should have lasted longer.

2--It claims 510lbs remains are collected (Big Al has not followed up on this)

You claim that it doesn't exist, yet cannot provide any proof supporting it.

3--95% wreckage recovery is achieved in the 2 week time period, with largest being "a seven-foot-long piece of the fuselage skin, including four windows." [The iconic photograph posted in this thread several times cannot be said to be 7feet, by its appearance and does not contain 4 windows.]

This goes along with the myth described on #1. You, nor any of your ilk can provide any type of time line to refute that. This also goes along with the taking of what is being said in an overly-literal sense. The picture has 2 complete and 2 partial windows. In the real world, 2+2=4.

4--All except 2 black boxes given to United.

The aircraft was owned by United. Why wouldn't they get their property back? The black boxes were essential evidence. Since the FBI had the evidence they needed, why keep the rest?

5--United spokesperson is quoted as of 9/24 and 9/25 on the basis of United already having the wreckage by that date.

They said no such thing. They stated that they don't know what they are going to do with the wreckage, but they did not state that they had it. Rational adults would understand that United would know that their property would be returned to them. Therefore, their statement is not an admission of having received their property. Only the delusional would read something else into their statement.

 

[jammonius]

Well posters, we're approaching # 675 and still NO discussion of FBI accountability.

 

[BigAl]

AW,

I'm surprised you'd make light of what is an obvious visual contradiction between what that piece of tin looks like and what a jetliner looks like. Did you ask yoda about this contradiction?

And, more importantly, are you willing to discuss what should be done to obtain accountability for the atrocious FBI botching of the FL 93 investigation to such a degree that the common myth of what happened there cannot ever be reliably proven?

You have shown nothing that supports the claim the the FBI botched anything. The fact that they took over the search from the local authorities is normal.

 

[DGM]

Well posters, we're approaching # 675 and still NO discussion of FBI accountability.

I think your confused as to how the FBI releases information. Do you think they post everything they do on the internet? Have you filed a FOIA request on the chain of custody and any other information as to what/how everything was collected? That's what I'd do if I was you.

 

[Jackanory]

tom,

Your post does not appear to "connect the dots" as it were. Let me ask for sake of understanding whether you understand that the FBI is said to have given to United the debris it had collected?

Our very own poster, DGM, claims to have corresponded with United and to have learned that United has no such debris and that such debris is not available for further inspection.

There are almost no reports of official validation of any plane debris based on serial number identification for any of the alleged 9/11 jetliner crashes, not merely FL 93.

The information quoted below summarizes the FL 93 debris collection process information, of which there appears to me to be precious little. However, what may fairly be said about the handling of the alleged crash site is that the FBI seems to have done everything it could possibly do to make sure no one would ever be able to say what happened at Shanksville. This is why I assert that what is described about FBI handling does not sound like the FBI. They are not incompetent, inherently. But, their handling of the FL 93 site seems to have been designed to thwart, rather than further, investigation, based on the quoted and sourced report.

It is within this frame of reference that it appears to me there is no hope of there being admissible evidence proving a jetliner crashed in Shanksville on 9/11.

History Commons splurb on Flight 93 and links (such as they are)

(September 11-27, 2001): FBI Leads Examination of Flight 93 Crash Scene; Supposedly Recovers 95 Percent of Plane The first FBI agents arrive at the Flight 93 crash scene soon after it goes down. [Kashurba, 2002, pp. 60] Due to the criminal nature of the crash, the FBI becomes lead authority for the investigation of the site. Attempts are made to have the area declared a federal disaster, but these are unsuccessful. [DMORT National News, 1/2002] For about two weeks, the FBI’s evidence recovery team of about 150 agents goes over the site with sifters, filtering evidence from the soil. It recovers about 510 pounds of human remains. [Longman, 2002, pp. 259; Age (Melbourne), 9/9/2002] Despite the lack of wreckage reported by those first at the crash scene (see (After 10:06 a.m.) September 11, 2001), the FBI claims that it recovers 95 percent of the plane. The largest piece found, it says, is a seven-foot-long piece of the fuselage skin, including four windows. With the exception of the two black boxes, all wreckage is passed on to United Airlines. Asked what United will do with this, a spokeswoman says, “I don’t think a decision has been made… but we’re not commenting.” [CNN, 9/24/2001; Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/25/2001] While conducting its investigation of the crash site, the FBI overrules a plan to carefully map the area and mark the positions of debris so as to determine exactly how Flight 93 crashed, claiming this would be too time-consuming (see September 16, 2001). [Longman, 2002, pp. 262] After it completes its work, the site becomes the responsibility of the county coroner, who continues the search for remains. [Longman, 2002, pp. 258-259]

So you continue to post stuff that refutes your own theory. Well done.

You continue to talk and .........well..............talk. Funny really.

I foresee this dragging into the 850+ post with still just talk and humouring. Is this some kind of record your aiming for. 15,16,17,18,19,20,21 pages - 666,667,668,669,670..................850 posts. All kudos for the 14 year old spammer. The Orange, Black, Blue boy will start throwing his teddies out the pram soon. CAPITALISED AND COLOURED CRAYON USER STAMPING HIS FEET BECAUSE HE CANT GET HIS OWN WAY. Must have been bottle fed from an early age.

Did you contact the coroner or the FBI. They have your number dude. Knock knock.

 

[A W Smith]

AW,

I'm surprised you'd make light of what is an obvious visual contradiction between what that piece of tin looks like and what a jetliner looks like. Did you ask yoda about this contradiction?

And, more importantly, are you willing to discuss what should be done to obtain accountability for the atrocious FBI botching of the FL 93 investigation to such a degree that the common myth of what happened there cannot ever be reliably proven?

Jammonius,

I'm surprised you are now using an image you previously dismissed as being altered to support your paranoid and delusional visions.
Do you know the logical fallacy you have just committed?

 

[Jackanory]

The distance, between the windows shown on the 757 (assuming it is a 757) above in post 649, is approximately the height of each window. On the debris shown in post 620, the distance between the windows is approximately 2/3rds the height. Anybody know why this should be? Is the distance between windows standard on all 757's or does it vary with model?

Are you serious or just asking question?

 

[A W Smith]

Well posters, we're approaching # 675 and still NO discussion of FBI accountability.

Your ignorance, arrogance, and delusions are astounding.
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/oct2007/research/2007_10_research01_test2.htm

September 11
Despite the number of terrorism-related investigations the FBI had conducted previously, nothing could have prepared the Bureau, and, in fact, the world, for what occurred on September 11, 2001. Up until then, the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 had been the largest and most complex investigation the FBI had ever conducted. All of that changed in the blink of an eye, when two airliners slammed into the World Trade Center towers in New York, another flew into the Pentagon, and a fourth crashed in a field in rural Pennsylvania. The ensuing response and investigation used more FBI resources than any other investigation before or since. Employees from across the globe—at FBI Headquarters, field offices, and legal attachés; both special agents and support staff—worked wherever they were needed. They joined personnel from other government agencies, employees from private industry and nonprofit organizations, and members of the public. From evidence response and recovery to the creation of demonstrative evidence for courtroom testimony, work on the FBI’s biggest case in history continues to this day.
The Laboratory’s Explosives Unit coordinated the identification, collection, and examination of the massive amounts of evidence at the three crime scenes. Personnel from the Bomb Data Center, which is now part of the FBI’s Critical Incident Response Group (CIRG), coordinated the response of Special Agent Bomb Technicians from FBI field offices, who cleared each scene for potential explosive devices and supported the Evidence Response Teams. The Crisis Response Unit, also now a part of CIRG, ensured constant, secure communication between the crime scenes and FBI Headquarters. Personnel from the Technical Programs Section (now assigned to the Operational Technology Division) restored radio communications at the FBI’s New York Field Office and deployed to the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites with emergency communications equipment (FBI Laboratory 2002).3
The Hazardous Materials Response Unit (HMRU) assessed the hazards—including jet fuel, bloodborne pathogens, sewage, structural and confined-space issues, and electrical and explosive environments—present at the crash sites. Working with local emergency medical personnel, the HMRU ensured the health and safety of personnel working at the scenes.

Personnel sorting through the rubble at each crash site wore Tyvek suits and had to be decontaminated afterward. This is the decontamination corridor at the Pentagon. (Source: Arlington County After-Action Report on the Response to the September 11 Terrorist Attack on the Pentagon, http://www.arlingtonva.us/
departments/ Fire/edu/about/docs/after_report.pdf).
​

The Laboratory’s Evidence Response Team Unit coordinated the deployment of the FBI field office Evidence Response Teams and provided the specialized equipment and supplies they needed to recover human remains and collect and preserve physical evidence at the crash sites. The teams also coordinated the search of rubble removed from the crash sites to off-site locations. The mountains of evidence at each site required the coordinated efforts of numerous personnel, including FBI and other federal, state, and local employees who would not normally work such matters. Evidence Response Team personnel provided on-the-spot training to individuals eager to serve. These enhanced teams were able to find many significant items of evidence.

FBI Laboratory and other personnel collect evidence at the Pentagon. (Source: Arlington County After-Action Report)
​

Personnel from numerous agencies searched for evidence at the Pentagon.
​

The Disaster Squad deployed to the three crash sites, assisting the New York Police Department’s Missing Persons Unit at the World Trade Center. The Laboratory’s Latent Print Units conducted 126,632 fingerprint comparisons from approximately 3833 pieces of evidence received between November 12, 2001, and January 17, 2002.
From September 12 to November 30, 2001, the Questioned Documents Unit received more than 1600 pieces of evidence. Fire and moisture had damaged some documents; others were torn. Using specialized techniques, QDU personnel were able to stabilize and reconstruct the documents to extract information of potential value, including indented writing and deciphered numbers.
Personnel from the Laboratory’s DNA Analysis Units supported the identification efforts at all three crash sites. Items recovered from the crash sites and the hotel rooms where the hijackers had stayed allowed DNA examiners to develop DNA profiles for several of the hijackers.
In the first 30 days of the investigation, the Computer Analysis Response Team (now assigned to the FBI’s Operational Technology Division) examined more than 35 terabytes of data. Examinations covered computers and disks used by the subjects, data obtained from Internet Service Providers, and a disk recovered from the Pennsylvania crash site.
Working with the National Transportation Safety Board, personnel from FAVIAU recovered data from the Flight 93 (which crashed in Pennsylvania) cockpit voice recorder, even though it had been damaged in the crash. With the help of the Federal Aviation Administration, personnel also obtained audio from the air traffic for all four flights. Other audio and video recordings came from the crash sites and FBI field offices. These recordings were restored, duplicated, enhanced, and compared. FAVIAU personnel also videotaped the Pentagon site following the crash.

Personnel recover the cockpit voice recorder from Flight 93.
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The Special Photographic Unit (now POISU) provided photographic support to the investigation. Personnel took aerial photographs of all three crash sites. They also photographed hundreds of items of evidence received in the Laboratory. They photographically enhanced damaged personal identification photographs and obliterated and indented writings recovered from the crash sites. Finally, unit personnel took more than 170,000 photographs, including 5000 photographs of the hijackers and other suspects, making copies and distributing them to investigators, prosecutors, and FBI executives to use for briefings and press conferences and to distribute to the field and the media.
Many cases require models and exhibits to reconstruct the event and present the evidence clearly and cogently in court. After September 11, personnel from the Laboratory’s Investigative and Prosecutive Graphic Unit and the Structural Design Unit (now the Special Projects Unit) completed site surveys of the Pentagon crash site, detailing victim and evidence locations, building damage, and the path of the airliner and its debris (FBI Laboratory 2002). Unit personnel also created hundreds of displays for court. These ranged from simple organizational charts, to scale models of the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, to complex digital displays showing multilayered interactions between individuals and events (FBI Laboratory 2007).
In June 2003, an FBI executive testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee that the FBI had collected and submitted for analysis more than 7500 pieces of evidence, helped process more than 2.8 million tons of debris in New York alone, and took more than 45,000 crime scene photographs (Rolince 2003).