Things you like about Sarah Palin

[MattusMaximus]

Because I want her to get the GOP nod so she can fail to become president. She is at the bottom of the list of who I would ever want to see run the most powerful country in the world. I think most people in the USA think the same way, but Republicans (for some strange reason) do not. I think if she wins the GOP nod, Republicans lose in 2012. This is what I wish.

Let's not paint with too broad a brush here. Fyi, I know plenty of Republicans who would engage in a major *facepalm* if Palin were to get the GOP nod. These people would likely sit 2012 out on the Republican side, which would in all probability hand the GOP a defeat in the general election.

 

[KingMerv00]

This is a strange assertion. Aren't you a lawyer? I'm guessing not a defense lawyer.

No sir, I am not. I am in my (hopefully) last semester of law school. I'm not sure what criminal defense has to do with it though.

Someone being unfairly attacked in a hypocritical way is not reason to defend that person?

No sir, it is not. It is best explained by example:


Example 1

An unrepentant murder says tells Mr. X (a murderer) that murder is wrong.


Example 2

Ted Haggard tells a Mr. X (a homosexual) that homosexuality is wrong.




In both cases, the speaker is hypocrite and should be attacked. Only in example 2 should Mr. X be defended. We can argue over whether or not Sarah Palin is falls into category 1 or category 2 but you really can't say she should be automatically defended. That's why I said hypocrisy is a reason to attack, not defend.

 

[T.A.M.]

Right, that's what you feel obliged to say but why do you secretly fear her? Whiplash said you did.

I use to fear her, back when I though she stood a legitimate chance of being president...namely when McCain slipped ahead in the poles in August 2008...then I feared her.

I do not fear her if she runs for the GOP nod, because I think enough Americans realize she would be a horrible, perhaps disastrous president, and hence she would fail to win running as top of the ticket.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

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There are few things I like about Palin: she doesn't seem to think that there should be a small group of "the elite" telling everyone else how to run their lives and believes that people should be allowed to make their choices...you know, liberty. That's about it.

If she had not been outrageously attacked right from the start about things that had nothing to do with her ability to carry out the office of VP (her children, hunting, making fun of her mannerisms, over the top sexualising, the disdain showed to her because she came from a small town, etc.), she would have simply faded away after the election. It was those attacks that made Palin what she is today, frankly.

Sarah Palin didn't make Sarah Palin the political force she is today, the people who launched the vicious and personal attacks against her are largely responsible for that.

1. She doesn't think a small group of Elitists should run things because PRESENTLY she is not part of said Elite.
2. I agree that picking on her for her Ruralness, and her family, and the sexual comments are all pretty much poor form, but picking on her for (A) not having the intellect or intellectual curiosity, and disliking her as a choice for VP (a heartbeat from POTUS) because she displays NO KNOWLEDGE in key areas such as foreign policy, international relations, Economics, etc...are all fair game.

3. I agree, unfortunately, that those who picked on her the most, through a call to arms for those who would defend her against such, have made her more now, then SHE EVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Let's not paint with too broad a brush here. Fyi, I know plenty of Republicans who would engage in a major *facepalm* if Palin were to get the GOP nod. These people would likely sit 2012 out on the Republican side, which would in all probability hand the GOP a defeat in the general election.

Agreed, but I think there is a large enough support group within the GOP, and the rest split so many ways, that she could squeak in as the nominee.

TAM

 

[tyr_13]

Why do people talk about Obama so much when asked about Palin?

 

[KingMerv00]

Why do people talk about Obama so much at all when asked about Palin?

I don't usually make that joke but it had to be done.

 

[fishbob]

Why do people talk about Obama so much when asked about Palin?

The same reason creationists talk about evolution when asked to explain 'creation science'. They got nothing.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Why? Because she hunts?

And cooks a mean wolf.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I completely agree that the stuff attacking her family is way out of line. Unless it has a direct bearing on performance, reliability or policy, family should be left out of it. All family.

Then she should leave her family out of her sales pitch. Either family matters and attacking it is fine, or it does not matter and she shouldn't try to pitch herself as the perfect mother as a reason to vote for her.

 

[ponderingturtle]

It seems to appear in quotes from their detractors:

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?q=teabagger

"Tea party movement" or something is the term conservatives use.

I will agree with this, they seemed to have distanced themselves from that, but they did make a point in the begining about running around with teabags and talking about teabagging the white house and such.

 

[ponderingturtle]

1. She doesn't think a small group of Elitists should run things because PRESENTLY she is not part of said Elite.
2. I agree that picking on her for her Ruralness, and her family, and the sexual comments are all pretty much poor form, but picking on her for (A) not having the intellect or intellectual curiosity, and disliking her as a choice for VP (a heartbeat from POTUS) because she displays NO KNOWLEDGE in key areas such as foreign policy, international relations, Economics, etc...are all fair game.

So what issues can someone run on and be totally unable for their opposition to comment on?

If her family doesn't matter, she shouldn't run on them.

 

[T.A.M.]

Why do people talk about Obama so much when asked about Palin?

Because if she runs in 2012, which is the issue that often gets us talking about her, it will be against him that she runs.

TAM

 

[Drysdale]

ANd the fact that of what is on her mind is just plain stupid does not bother you?
This whole idea of supporting a "maverick" just because they are a "maverick" regarless of how stupid the "maverick" might be is pretty stupid in and of itself, and shows a really immature and juvenile approach to politics.

Huh? Who said I was supporting her.

I just like the candidness and wish more politicians were like that instead of being so PC and careful with the generic political answers and dont say a damn thing to tip their hand to what they really feel on a lot of issues.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I'm trying to understand the apparent need to defend her so vigourously

Who does this?

I think she amply demonstrates the Peter Principle.

She is also smart enough to try and make some dollars here and there while the spotlight is on her. Carpe Diem, and all that ...

She's also trying to ride this bull until the bell.

(Yes, I chose that word on purpose ... )

DR

 

[KingMerv00]

Who does this?

I've answered this already. Whiplash and Skeptic come to mind first.

She is also smart enough to try and make some dollars here and there while the spotlight is on her. Carpe Diem, and all that ...

She's also trying to ride this bull until the bell.

(Yes, I chose that word on purpose ... )

DR

I don't begrudge her that but carpe diem doesn't take smarts. See Hilton, Paris.

 

[joobz]

I think she amply demonstrates the Peter Principle.

Is that the one that goes:
When it comes to someone attractive, if you have a Peter, you'll compromise your principles?

 

[Whiplash]

I've answered this already. Whiplash and Skeptic come to mind first.

I admit my defending her is about a defensive reaction based on partisanship more than anything else. I don't really want to defend her that much, honestly. I just get my hackles up when people get too over the line about it. Calling her nasty names and all that. It's uncalled for, for anyone.

I really don't like her much, and I cringe when she speaks now. I don't want her to get the nomination. I don't believe she will win either. I actually think that many are correct in the assumption that her winning the nomination is a win for Obama. I don't think this country is likely to elect her.

The only point I have tried to make is that it's irrational that people are so hateful of her if they really think she is no threat whatsoever. It doesn't matter how people spin it, that makes zero sense to me.

But I'm rapidly loosing interest in the subject, and any desire to defend her.

 

[joobz]

The only point I have tried to make is that it's irrational that people are so hateful of her if they really think she is no threat whatsoever. It doesn't matter how people spin it, that makes zero sense to me.

I dislike her greatly, but I do think-if she were to get the nom- she would stand a chance. Such is politics, and with an effective campaign and good image control, she could win.

I honestly and completely, believe she would be bad for our nation. Not because her politics are dangerous, which is part of it. But because I do not think she has the nation's interests at heart. Once elected to office, she quit when it suited her.


While I didn't like Bush's Politics, I think he was genuine with doing what he thought was right and continued to lead even when it wasn't easy to.

 

[KingMerv00]

I admit my defending her is about a defensive reaction based on partisanship more than anything else. I don't really want to defend her that much, honestly. I just get my hackles up when people get too over the line about it. Calling her nasty names and all that. It's uncalled for, for anyone.

Just to be clear, I didn't mean to imply defending her is a priori bad. I agree that the politics forum is a cesspool at times.

The only point I have tried to make is that it's irrational that people are so hateful of her if they really think she is no threat whatsoever. It doesn't matter how people spin it, that makes zero sense to me.

I don't understand your confusion. People don't like her so they make fun of her. What's not to get? Do people only make fun of people they are afraid of?