The Freeman Movement and England

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If you live on the island of Lightindarkness and only ever know the language of Lightindarknessinian that is all you will ever speak if you meet no one else from another shore.

This is a classic conspiracy theorist propaganda technique: when every single piece of evidence, logic, and reason is against you, start acting like you have tons of inside knowledge that the rest of the sheeple don't - and make sure you quote the Matrix to emphasize this point.

If you live on the island of Lightindarkness and only ever know the language of Lightindarknessinian that is all you will ever speak if you meet no one else from another shore.

There are two options:

(1) Freemen are routinely arrested because they engage in acts that are illegal and their status is not recognized by the law.
(2) Freemen are routinely arrested because every single police officer, attorney, and judge in the world is stupid and doesn't know the law.

If you are so brainwashed as to believe (2) without any evidence whatsoever, then you are beyond help.
 
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This is a classic conspiracy theorist propaganda technique: when every single piece of evidence, logic, and reason is against you, start acting like you have tons of inside knowledge that the rest of the sheeple don't - and make sure you quote the Matrix to emphasize this point.


I think that also gets 20 points.
 
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This is a classic conspiracy theorist propaganda technique: when every single piece of evidence, logic, and reason is against you, start acting like you have tons of inside knowledge that the rest of the sheeple don't - and make sure you quote the Matrix to emphasize this point.



There are two options:

(1) Freemen are routinely arrested because they engage in acts that are illegal and their status is not recognized by the law. Legal and law! Can you please show me the definitions of both and qualify why you have entered them into your post please?


(2) Freemen are routinely arrested because every single police officer, attorney, and judge in the world is stupid and doesn't know the law.

If you are so brainwashed as to believe (2) without any evidence whatsoever, then you are beyond help.
So that statement helped your cause in WHAT way? What point did you make?
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Waiting for you :boxedin:!
 
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That's right. Those of us who have actually studied and practise law never think for ourselves. We never ask questions, disagree with each other's legal understanding or employ analytical thinking skills. We are utterly devoid of all curiosity and intelligence.

In fact, don't tell anyone Arthur, but we're actually robots. *click click whirr*

Only FOTLers, who get their legal education from those without a legal education, really understand the law.

Just look at the last paragraph/ About getting Legal education. Does a freeman-on-the-land lawfully need legalty?

Consider where lawful and legal came from.

lawful comes from the divine (see the holy books from which arise the power of law.)

Now check out where puny legal hogwash comes from, man-made RULES.
Then check out this.......

"Derativa potestas non potest esse major primitiva.
The power which is derived cannot be greater than that from which it is derived".


So work this out........ How can human beings succumb to somethings (i.e. the Legal Statutes) that were made by humans . That's like having a pencil sharpener attack a man or woman!

Still from all the lame brains no-one has answered my post about languages and learning from others.

Still, on here it really doesn't suprise folk eh!

You were always the Traffic Warden, never the Statutory Policy Enforcer!

Well done and enjoy blowing you whistle! :boggled:
 
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So that statement helped your cause in WHAT way? What point did you make? it seems you just vomitted:boggled:

Waiting for you :boxedin:!

Its so sad to watch you guys flail about. Its like little children when caught stealing something - they will do absolutely everything before they admit they are wrong.

The difference between "legal" and "law" is a Freeman mythology concept that doesn't exist in reality.
 
Just look at the last paragraph/ About getting Legal education. Does a freeman-on-the-land lawfully need legalty?

Consider where lawful and legal came from.

lawful comes from the divine (see the holy books from which arise the power of law.)

Now check out where puny legal hogwash comes from, man-made RULES.
Then check out this.......


This is a prime example how "Freemen" make up definitions as they go along to fit their delusions. The difference in between lawful and legal has absolutely nothing to do with this.

"Derativa potestas non potest esse major primitiva.
The power which is derived cannot be greater than that from which it is derived".

This is another FMOTL tactic - quote latin "maxims" which have 0 actual place in the real law.


So work this out........ How can human beings succumb to somethings (i.e. the Legal Statutes) that were made by humans . That's like having a pencil sharpener attack a man or woman!

Indeed, how dare we suggest people succumb to laws. Clearly, god intends us to be a murdering, pillaging, bunch.

Still from all the lame brains no-one has answered my post about languages and learning from others.

Still, on here it really doesn't suprise folk eh!

You were always the Traffic Warden, never the Statutory Policy Enforcer!

Well done and enjoy blowing you whistle! :boggled:

Another prime example of FMOTL lunacy - at some points the rambling doesn't even make sense. Its like they have conversations with themselves.
 
Arthur.

I am unaware of a single case where the FTOL arguments have worked. Every one I have seen has resulted in a larger fine, penalty or sentence, a longer case and larger fees for the legal professionals.

It is obvious that these arguments have been dreamt by barristers to sucker the extremely gullible into providing them with more work and fees during the recession.

So which are you; a legal expert looking to raise false hopes and to earn money or are you one of the suckers who believe it?

Of course you can prove me wrong by providing the details of a single successful case.
 
I feel I need to thank Arthur for his posts. I'm having a crappy morning, but his bizarre ramblings have really cheered me up. Sincerely, thank you. You're more wrong than I would have thought it possible for a human being to be, but goddamn if you're not entertaining.

By the way, using The Matrix to make a point? It wasn't a very good film in the first place. It certainly wasn't a brilliantly thought-out piece of philosophy. I'd suggest dropping it as an example in future.
 
Just look at the last paragraph/ About getting Legal education. Does a freeman-on-the-land lawfully need legalty?

Yes.

Consider where lawful and legal came from.

lawful comes from the divine (see the holy books from which arise the power of law.)

No, it doesn't.

Now check out where puny legal hogwash comes from, man-made RULES.
Then check out this.......

"Derativa potestas non potest esse major primitiva.
The power which is derived cannot be greater than that from which it is derived".

So work this out........ How can human beings succumb to somethings (i.e. the Legal Statutes) that were made by humans . That's like having a pencil sharpener attack a man or woman!

Not really. Even if this were true, laws are not established by a single human. They are established by a number of humans on the level of a society - hundreds and hundreds of thousands of humans create the law in concert with one another. The law therefore has the power of that many humans backing it.

Oh, and also:

By the way, using The Matrix to make a point? It wasn't a very good film in the first place. It certainly wasn't a brilliantly thought-out piece of philosophy. I'd suggest dropping it as an example in future.

This.
 
Just look at the last paragraph/ About getting Legal education. Does a freeman-on-the-land lawfully need legalty?

Consider where lawful and legal came from.

lawful comes from the divine (see the holy books from which arise the power of law.)

Now check out where puny legal hogwash comes from, man-made RULES.
Then check out this.......

"Derativa potestas non potest esse major primitiva.
The power which is derived cannot be greater than that from which it is derived".


So work this out........ How can human beings succumb to somethings (i.e. the Legal Statutes) that were made by humans . That's like having a pencil sharpener attack a man or woman!

Still from all the lame brains no-one has answered my post about languages and learning from others.

Still, on here it really doesn't suprise folk eh!

You were always the Traffic Warden, never the Statutory Policy Enforcer!

Well done and enjoy blowing you whistle! :boggled:

These Freemen and Women are so funny.I love reading their ramblings.
 
Also, I looked at the Freeman 101 thread they have over on the David Icke forums. It appears to be nothing but a series of total non sequiturs, mixed together with a total misrepresentation of legal matters, with just enough religion thrown in to make it spicy.
In short, total crazy talk.
 
So work this out........ How can human beings succumb to somethings (i.e. the Legal Statutes) that were made by humans . That's like having a pencil sharpener attack a man or woman!

Just out of interest, why pick a pencil sharpener as your example of something created by humans, rather than say, a gun?
 
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Also, I looked at the Freeman 101 thread they have over on the David Icke forums. It appears to be nothing but a series of total non sequiturs, mixed together with a total misrepresentation of legal matters, with just enough religion thrown in to make it spicy.
In short, total crazy talk.

It's like you took the bible and some half baked legal ideas and mixed them together in a hat then drew out random pieces.
 
lawful comes from the divine (see the holy books from which arise the power of law.)

Now check out where puny legal hogwash comes from, man-made RULES.
Then check out this.......




So, you admit that the entire basis of this FOTL business is your religious convictions?

Would an atheist like me be allowed to be a FOTL?
 
If you live on the island of Lightindarkness and only ever know the language of Lightindarknessinian that is all you will ever speak if you meet no one else from another shore.

Those few Lightindarknessinian's who do leave their homeland and encounter others from another race of people may or may not choose to learn the new language they have now encountered.

Some may stay in the new land never to return to their homeland again thus never imparting the newly discovered language to their fellow people.

Others may do so, coming back and teaching the new language to their own people.

This is a little like why a freeman-on-the-land can be and is arrested and not the reason why he should be.

You see if you live on the island of Lightindarkness and only ever know the language of Lightindarknessinian that is all you will ever speak if you meet no one else from another shore. These are the Policy Enforcement Officers and Judiciary who never move out of their circle. They have been taught since day one that they can essentially do whatever they like under Statute Law as it is equal to, derived from or in most cases superior to common law. Now like those of the island of Lightindarkness they know nothing of any other subject other than what they have been taught is correct. Why would they the poor souls? These are in the majority. These have rather comfortable lives and will jump at the push of a button to execute what they believe is what they have the right to do so regardless of the actual facts.

The others however are comprised of two sorts. Firstly the ones who spread their newly learned language to their fellow people and gain knowledge of other ideas and facts. Some are drawn to leave the Policy Enforcement Office they hold and begin a new life. These people who have worked enslaving others for years are well known and have dropped out of the mainstream and began to paddle their own canoe. They are known to us all through the mainstream media that belittles and mocks them for making a choice of and for the self.

Lastly are the ones tempted by freedom but not enough. Fear of mockery and guilt about family humiliation and so forth is to much for them so they stay within the system sometimes letting the word out but then slipping back inside the system. Agent Smith wanted the deal from Morpheus:


"Smith Interrogates Morpheus Transcript

Scott Manning
June 23, 2003

morpheus.jpgSince the release of The Matrix Reloaded, scenes from the first film have whole new meanings. One of the scenes that is probably overlooked too much is the scene where Agent Smith interrogates Morpheus. Agent Smith moves away from the computer-like personality that all the agents seem to posses to reveal a philosopher and a frustrated man.

Smith reveals that there were previous versions of the matrix.

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Agent Smith: Have you ever stood and stared at it, marveled at it's beauty, it's genius? Billions of people just living out their lives, oblivious. Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. The perfect world would dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, evolution, like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You had your time. The future is our world, Morpheus. The future is our time.

*Tank and Trinity argue over whether or not to kill Morpheus*

Agent Smith: Never send a human to do a machine's job.

Agent Brown: If indeed the insider has failed, they'll sever the connection as soon as possible, unless...

Agent Jones: They're dead, in either case...

Agent Smith: We have no choice but to continue as planned. Deploy the sentinels immediately.

*Neo and Trinity decide to go into the matrix to save Morpheus.*

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.

*Neo and Trinity get guns. Lots of guns.*

Agent Smith: Why isn't this serum working?

Agent Brown: Perhaps we're asking the wrong questions.

Agent Smith: Leave me with him. Now.

*Tank tells Morpheus to hold on.*

Agent Smith: Can you hear me, Morpheus? I'm going to be honest with you. I hate this place, this zoo, this prison, this reality, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink. And every time I do I feel I have somehow been infected by it. It's repulsive, isn't it? I must get out of here. I must get free and in this mind is the key, my key. Once Zion is destroyed there is no need for me to be here, don't you understand? I need the codes. I have to get inside Zion, and you have to tell me how. You're going to tell me or you're going to die."

This is a little like why a freeman-on-the-land can be and is arrested and not the reason why he should be. Too many are Agents.

This has got be somebody trying to do Andy Kauffman totally off the wall bizzare humor and failing miserably.
 
Just out of interest, why pick a pencil sharpener as your example of something created by humans, rather than say, a gun?

That was cleverly done to avoid the whole Second Ammendment derail, as the debate over mechanical vs wood pencils was firmly settled long ago at the battle of Ticonderoga.

--Patch, avid Pentel user
 
I feel I need to thank Arthur for his posts. I'm having a crappy morning, but his bizarre ramblings have really cheered me up. Sincerely, thank you. You're more wrong than I would have thought it possible for a human being to be, but goddamn if you're not entertaining.

By the way, using The Matrix to make a point? It wasn't a very good film in the first place. It certainly wasn't a brilliantly thought-out piece of philosophy. I'd suggest dropping it as an example in future.

Besides, it makes a lot of us old timers vomit when some Conspiracy Kook uses "The Matrix" as a reference just because it has been done so freaking often.
I wish I had a dime for every time some Tinfoiler has posted "take the Red Pill, man!" on this forum.
 
That was cleverly done to avoid the whole Second Ammendment derail, as the debate over mechanical vs wood pencils was firmly settled long ago at the battle of Ticonderoga.

--Patch, avid Pentel user

Did they use Muskets to settle the issue,like they did at the real Fort Ticonderoga?
 
I always thought The Matrix was a mindless action film with a veneer of philosophy. Yes, I get that some of the names are sorta meaningful if you don't expect too much meaning from them, but the film was basically an extended "we're stuck in the Holodeck" episode of Star Trek crossed with a bit of Terminator. Still, it is useful for spotting the, er... less intellectually gifted. Anyone who tells you The Matrix was a deep film probably isn't going to come out with anything useful or interesting.
 
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