The Freeman Movement and England

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# The sixteenth law is that they that are at controversie, submit their Right to the judgement of an Arbitrator.
# The seventeenth law is that no man is a fit Arbitrator in his own cause.

Submit?? a freeman, never

That sort of puts their sovereignty stance in a bit of trouble.

All men are equal and all that;)

So JB, are all men not equal? Have you been reading Mein Kampf at night?

Can you please show how all men are not equal?;)

Leading off with such a flagrant strawman (combined with a Godwin!) in your first 10 posts isn't a good way to convince us that FMOTL woo works.
 
Observe the best Freemen on the land have to offer: when all the evidence is against you, ignore it and insult those who debunk you.

It really is their #1 tactic...its all they do on the David Icke forums. ANY reasoned attempt to discuss the evidence is met with hysteria and foaming at the mouth.
 
Can you please show how all men are not equal?;)
Easy.

Michael Jordan
Me

Not equal.

Next?

For your consideration: the principle that all men are created equal has a non-trivial religious/moral element. One way to take that statement from the DoI is the assertion that all men are equally worthy (or unworthy) in God's eyes. In a less religious context, that statement is an assertion that all men should be equal under the law in a fair and just world. When you find one of those, by a fair and just world, please call me.

DR
 
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Heh, thanks! It makes me feel warm and fuzzy when the snake oil salesmen get so hysterical and worried that they are being shown for who they are that they have to start the character assassination. I guess it tells you when you are on the right track.
 
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Did that yozhik character seriously try and catch you in a "have you stopped beating your wife" trap? That's fantastic.
 
Very amusing that the FOTLers get upset with the refusal to use a real name.

I suggest that you 'fess up' and admit that Lightindarkness is just your strawman and that you are ‘Light’ of the family ‘Indarkness’.


Wouldn't his strawman be 'LIGHTINDARKNESS'?
 
It is rather amazing that there is no ready made answer to such an essential part of the woo as the admiralty court question.

The problem is that it's a US FMOTL concept and england has a different legal system with a different history. As a result it's rather hard to import it dirrectly. Things like the frindge on the flag claims don't work in the UK where we tend not to have flags.

The other problem is that if anyone really care they can look up when admiralty courts ceased to exist in england (early 20th century).
 
Wouldn't his strawman be 'LIGHTINDARKNESS'?

Shh! :D

Interestingly it now appears half a dozen of the DI Forum lunatics are forum stalking me over here. Not that it matters - I use the same name in all the forums I post because I don't care who knows.

Yeah, the poster "yohzik" over there is probably the number one example of the hysterics you can expect to run into. He appears to be in his late teens, has no job or education (he can afford to post all day long and then claim he "wins" when you don't post an immediate response). I have yet to see him ever do anything but hurl personal insults - not one piece of evidence for FMOTL from him. Hes the DI forum's noise maker - I probably need to just keep him on ignore, but hes so funny to watch as he flails about.
 
Another Freeman on the Land arrested]

This guy was huge on the David Icke forums. But I just don't understand it - how can a Freeman on the Land be arrested? HOW CAN THIS BE?

If you live on the island of Lightindarkness and only ever know the language of Lightindarknessinian that is all you will ever speak if you meet no one else from another shore.

Those few Lightindarknessinian's who do leave their homeland and encounter others from another race of people may or may not choose to learn the new language they have now encountered.

Some may stay in the new land never to return to their homeland again thus never imparting the newly discovered language to their fellow people.

Others may do so, coming back and teaching the new language to their own people.

This is a little like why a freeman-on-the-land can be and is arrested and not the reason why he should be.

You see if you live on the island of Lightindarkness and only ever know the language of Lightindarknessinian that is all you will ever speak if you meet no one else from another shore. These are the Policy Enforcement Officers and Judiciary who never move out of their circle. They have been taught since day one that they can essentially do whatever they like under Statute Law as it is equal to, derived from or in most cases superior to common law. Now like those of the island of Lightindarkness they know nothing of any other subject other than what they have been taught is correct. Why would they the poor souls? These are in the majority. These have rather comfortable lives and will jump at the push of a button to execute what they believe is what they have the right to do so regardless of the actual facts.

The others however are comprised of two sorts. Firstly the ones who spread their newly learned language to their fellow people and gain knowledge of other ideas and facts. Some are drawn to leave the Policy Enforcement Office they hold and begin a new life. These people who have worked enslaving others for years are well known and have dropped out of the mainstream and began to paddle their own canoe. They are known to us all through the mainstream media that belittles and mocks them for making a choice of and for the self.

Lastly are the ones tempted by freedom but not enough. Fear of mockery and guilt about family humiliation and so forth is to much for them so they stay within the system sometimes letting the word out but then slipping back inside the system. Agent Smith wanted the deal from Morpheus:


"Smith Interrogates Morpheus Transcript

Scott Manning
June 23, 2003

morpheus.jpgSince the release of The Matrix Reloaded, scenes from the first film have whole new meanings. One of the scenes that is probably overlooked too much is the scene where Agent Smith interrogates Morpheus. Agent Smith moves away from the computer-like personality that all the agents seem to posses to reveal a philosopher and a frustrated man.

Smith reveals that there were previous versions of the matrix.

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Agent Smith: Have you ever stood and stared at it, marveled at it's beauty, it's genius? Billions of people just living out their lives, oblivious. Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. The perfect world would dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, evolution, like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You had your time. The future is our world, Morpheus. The future is our time.

*Tank and Trinity argue over whether or not to kill Morpheus*

Agent Smith: Never send a human to do a machine's job.

Agent Brown: If indeed the insider has failed, they'll sever the connection as soon as possible, unless...

Agent Jones: They're dead, in either case...

Agent Smith: We have no choice but to continue as planned. Deploy the sentinels immediately.

*Neo and Trinity decide to go into the matrix to save Morpheus.*

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.

*Neo and Trinity get guns. Lots of guns.*

Agent Smith: Why isn't this serum working?

Agent Brown: Perhaps we're asking the wrong questions.

Agent Smith: Leave me with him. Now.

*Tank tells Morpheus to hold on.*

Agent Smith: Can you hear me, Morpheus? I'm going to be honest with you. I hate this place, this zoo, this prison, this reality, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink. And every time I do I feel I have somehow been infected by it. It's repulsive, isn't it? I must get out of here. I must get free and in this mind is the key, my key. Once Zion is destroyed there is no need for me to be here, don't you understand? I need the codes. I have to get inside Zion, and you have to tell me how. You're going to tell me or you're going to die."

This is a little like why a freeman-on-the-land can be and is arrested and not the reason why he should be. Too many are Agents.
 
They have been taught since day one that they can essentially do whatever they like under Statute Law as it is equal to, derived from or in most cases superior to common law. Now like those of the island of Lightindarkness they know nothing of any other subject other than what they have been taught is correct. Why would they the poor souls? These are in the majority. These have rather comfortable lives and will jump at the push of a button to execute what they believe is what they have the right to do so regardless of the actual facts.

That's right. Those of us who have actually studied and practise law never think for ourselves. We never ask questions, disagree with each other's legal understanding or employ analytical thinking skills. We are utterly devoid of all curiosity and intelligence.

In fact, don't tell anyone Arthur, but we're actually robots. *click click whirr*

Only FOTLers, who get their legal education from those without a legal education, really understand the law.

I get this. I really do. That's why, when my pipes go tits up, the last person I'd call is a plumber. Don't want anyone touching my waterworks whose understanding might have been limited by training.
 
If you live on the island of Lightindarkness and only ever know the language of Lightindarknessinian that is all you will ever speak if you meet no one else from another shore.

Those few Lightindarknessinian's who do leave their homeland and encounter others from another race of people may or may not choose to learn the new language they have now encountered.

Some may stay in the new land never to return to their homeland again thus never imparting the newly discovered language to their fellow people.

Others may do so, coming back and teaching the new language to their own people.

This is a little like why a freeman-on-the-land can be and is arrested and not the reason why he should be.

You see if you live on the island of Lightindarkness and only ever know the language of Lightindarknessinian that is all you will ever speak if you meet no one else from another shore. These are the Policy Enforcement Officers and Judiciary who never move out of their circle. They have been taught since day one that they can essentially do whatever they like under Statute Law as it is equal to, derived from or in most cases superior to common law. Now like those of the island of Lightindarkness they know nothing of any other subject other than what they have been taught is correct. Why would they the poor souls? These are in the majority. These have rather comfortable lives and will jump at the push of a button to execute what they believe is what they have the right to do so regardless of the actual facts.

The others however are comprised of two sorts. Firstly the ones who spread their newly learned language to their fellow people and gain knowledge of other ideas and facts. Some are drawn to leave the Policy Enforcement Office they hold and begin a new life. These people who have worked enslaving others for years are well known and have dropped out of the mainstream and began to paddle their own canoe. They are known to us all through the mainstream media that belittles and mocks them for making a choice of and for the self.

Lastly are the ones tempted by freedom but not enough. Fear of mockery and guilt about family humiliation and so forth is to much for them so they stay within the system sometimes letting the word out but then slipping back inside the system. Agent Smith wanted the deal from Morpheus:


"Smith Interrogates Morpheus Transcript

Scott Manning
June 23, 2003

morpheus.jpgSince the release of The Matrix Reloaded, scenes from the first film have whole new meanings. One of the scenes that is probably overlooked too much is the scene where Agent Smith interrogates Morpheus. Agent Smith moves away from the computer-like personality that all the agents seem to posses to reveal a philosopher and a frustrated man.

Smith reveals that there were previous versions of the matrix.

----------------------

Agent Smith: Have you ever stood and stared at it, marveled at it's beauty, it's genius? Billions of people just living out their lives, oblivious. Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. The perfect world would dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, evolution, like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You had your time. The future is our world, Morpheus. The future is our time.

*Tank and Trinity argue over whether or not to kill Morpheus*

Agent Smith: Never send a human to do a machine's job.

Agent Brown: If indeed the insider has failed, they'll sever the connection as soon as possible, unless...

Agent Jones: They're dead, in either case...

Agent Smith: We have no choice but to continue as planned. Deploy the sentinels immediately.

*Neo and Trinity decide to go into the matrix to save Morpheus.*

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.

*Neo and Trinity get guns. Lots of guns.*

Agent Smith: Why isn't this serum working?

Agent Brown: Perhaps we're asking the wrong questions.

Agent Smith: Leave me with him. Now.

*Tank tells Morpheus to hold on.*

Agent Smith: Can you hear me, Morpheus? I'm going to be honest with you. I hate this place, this zoo, this prison, this reality, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink. And every time I do I feel I have somehow been infected by it. It's repulsive, isn't it? I must get out of here. I must get free and in this mind is the key, my key. Once Zion is destroyed there is no need for me to be here, don't you understand? I need the codes. I have to get inside Zion, and you have to tell me how. You're going to tell me or you're going to die."

This is a little like why a freeman-on-the-land can be and is arrested and not the reason why he should be. Too many are Agents.

:eye-poppi
 
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