What's your theory about 9/11?

[cratorius]

Why do I need a theory?

We need a theory, because we need to test it, there is no use in trying to start a new investigation without a new theory. Just give us a hypothesis, no proofs, just make it probable.

But since you guys refuse to come up with an alternative, you are in fact blocking your El Dorado, "A New Investigation".
Shill!

This proves that truthers are in on it.

 

[MaGZ]

My theory on 9/11:

AQ did it.

The Mossad was operating in the US under the guise of Israeli Art Students watching the hijackers at the request of US intelligence agencies. The Mossad reported back to the Americans but did not relay any information they learned indicating a coming attack. The US was caught by surprise on 9/11 because Israel did to tell what they knew.

KSM ran the operation in the US, and meet groups of hijackers in Las Vegas on several occasions.

The plan on 9/11 by AQ was to takeout the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, the White House and/or Congress and the assassination of President Bush in Florida. Other planes were part of the attack but were grounded. These would-be hijackers ran from the grounded planes.

The planned Bush assassination plot that morning was similar to the assassination of Ahmad Shah Massoud in northern Afghanistan two days earlier with the use of a exploding camera. The explosives in the camera was prepared days earlier by Atta using a "Mother of Satan" explosive mixture.

There was no military stand-down. One passenger plane was almost shot-down over Ground Zero (one missile hitting WTC 7 and another flying into the Hudson River). The hijacked plane over Pennsylvania was downed by an American fighter.

WTC 7 was a controlled demolition to prevent the building from toppling over into the search and rescue area.

The anthrax attacks that followed over the next few weeks was a Mossad operation that was initially planned as early as 1998 but was moved up as a follow-on to the 9/11 attacks. The anthrax attacks were designed by Israel to get the US to attack and invade Iraq. The anthrax came from their bio-weapons lab in Nes Ziona.

 

[MaGZ]

In the time I have spent here, I have only seen two CTists attempt to put together a coherent theory: A-Train and Sizzler. All of the rest make it quite clear that they do not have any theories (RedIbis in particular), but are only here to attempt to poke holes in what they call the "Official Theory".

Sad, really.

I have a coherent therory. Add me to the list.

 

[Toke]

There was no military stand-down. One passenger plane was almost shot-down over Ground Zero (one missile hitting WTC 7 and another flying into the Hudson River). The hijacked plane over Pennsylvania was downed by an American fighter.

So the missile spent an hour or two hovering before hitting wtc7?
And there were no trace of bullet holes in the wreckage in Pennsylvania, and some reason or other to deny a shooting down.

WTC 7 was a controlled demolition to prevent the building from toppling over into the search and rescue area.

You have the problem of a ninja demolition team rigging a burning building.

 

[MaGZ]

It's just my own humble opinion, but having had this conversation elsewhere, focusing the discussion on making affirmative theories weeds out the unserious. I know that I'm a recent arrival, and probably being unrealistic, but I would love to coax the skeptics truthers to post here if at all possible.

I accept your challenge.

 

[MaGZ]

So the missile spent an hour or two hovering before hitting wtc7?
And there were no trace of bullet holes in the wreckage in Pennsylvania, and some reason or other to deny a shooting down.



You have the problem of a ninja demolition team rigging a burning building.

The fighters came from Otis air base and fired at the second airliner as it was crashing into WTC 2 at 9:03 that morning.

 

[dtugg]

I have a coherent therory. Add me to the list.

I suppose you attempted which is much more than 99.9% of twoofers so I suppose you deserve some credit even though you are racist scum.

That the Mossad knew about the attacks but failed to notify the US is possible although I find it unlikely.

That WTC7 was hit with an air to air missile and then CD'd is completely ◊◊◊◊◊◊* crazy and apparently your only "evidence" is a bird flying across a shot.

That UA93 was shot down is less crazy but also supported by nothing and contradicted by a lot of evidence.

 

[Brainache]

MaGZ's theory was going quite well until he got to the part about the missile and WTC7.

Why ruin a perfectly plausible (as far as these things go) "Jews LIHOP" theory with total nonsense which just makes the whole thing even easier to dismiss?

Really MaGz, you would be doing yourself a huge favour if you dropped the whole "Missiles at Ground Zero" part of your fantasy.

 

[MaGZ]

MaGZ's theory was going quite well until he got to the part about the missile and WTC7.

Why ruin a perfectly plausible (as far as these things go) "Jews LIHOP" theory with total nonsense which just makes the whole thing even easier to dismiss?

Really MaGz, you would be doing yourself a huge favour if you dropped the whole "Missiles at Ground Zero" part of your fantasy.

Thanks for the half-hearted compliment, but this is what I believed happened. I have read what I could on the topic, spun it together, filling in the blanks, to come up with the best scenario to some of the more intriguing aspects of 9/11.

 

[Thunder]

The fighters came from Otis air base and fired at the second airliner as it was crashing into WTC 2 at 9:03 that morning.

lie.

 

[Thunder]

I have a coherent therory. Add me to the list.

 

[Brainache]

Thanks for the half-hearted compliment, but this is what I believed happened. I have read what I could on the topic, spun it together, filling in the blanks, to come up with the best scenario to some of the more intriguing aspects of 9/11.

You are the only person that I know of who thinks that an air-to-air missile hit WTC7. There is no evidence for it, a missile wouldn't do anywhere near the amount of damage that the debris from the towers did and the whole idea adds nothing to the overall scenario except an element of pure madness.

Oh well, good luck with that.

 

[paloalto]

What actually happened prior to the attacks on 9/11!

If you are familiar with Lawrence Wright's "The Looming Tower" you know that Wright says that the CIA had obstructed the FBI Cole bombing investigators in their investigation of this attack.

According to the account of Ali Soufan by Lawrence Wright, Soufan first asked the Yemen CIA station in November 2000, if the CIA had been aware of any al Qaeda planning meeting in south east Asia that had taken place in January 2000, or had any information on Walid Bin Attash, aka Khallad, thought to be the mastermind of the attack on the USS Cole. He was told there was no information at the CIA on any al Qaeda planning meeting in southeast Asia or on Bin Attash.

But just after Bin Attash had been identified on December 16, 2000 by the FBI/CIA joint source from the passport of bin Attash, Soufan had attached to his request, according to the DOJ IG report, “CIA overseas personnel” requested photos from the CIA Bin Laden unit of Walid Bin Attash and Khalid al-Mihdhar taken at this al Qaeda Kuala Lumpur planning meeting to also be shown to the FBI/CIA joint source. While no one has ever identified the “CIA overseas personnel” described in the DOJ IG report, it is now clear it was the Yemen CIA station that made this request since the results of showing these photos to the FBI/CIA joint source was sent back to the Yemen station. In any case the Yemen station and the CIA Bin Laden unit were aware that Bin Attash had been identified at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting on January 4, 2001, and yet never gave this information to Soufan, committing the federal crime of withholding material information from an ongoing FBI criminal investigation.

Edited by LashL: 

Snipped for compliance with Rule 4.

I agree with the findings of the 9/11 Commission, and the additional information I have read like Lawrence Wright's excellent The Looming Tower. Al Qaeda planned, financed and conducted a terrorist attack on the United States on September 11, 2001, by simultaneously hijacking 4 aircraft and crashing them into 3 out of 4 of their targets. The 4th jet was crashed to the ground once the passengers figured out what was going on. The World Trade Center 1 & 2 suffered structural damage due to plane impact and fires and collapsed. WTC 7 suffered damage from being struck by WTC debris and fire and collapsed.

Here is a thread where those who believe alternative explanations can post their best theory. Post your theory as to who / what / when / how the attacks of 11-September, 2001 were planned, financed and executed.

PLEASE DO NOT JUST 'ASK QUESTIONS' IN THIS THREAD. Post your theory, or the alternative theory that you find most credible.

 

[1stClassAlan]

Ah, things have moved on a little since my last visit - we now have a C.T'er that imbues small airborne anti-aircraft missiles with the power of building demolition! How did it do that then? How did the firing aircraft's acquistion & targeting radar manage to lock-up a BUILDING????

We also have a slight problem of whether any of the aircraft "scrambled" ( I hesitate to use that word as it was more of an amble into the sky that day ) actually had any mission armourment of any kind loaded for readiness - most of these "go see" fly-bys are in unarmed aircraft.

I can also see from posts that C.T.'s are confused by the term "shotdown" - they seem to think that automatically means the use of a gun rather than by any means including missiles.

As far I understand - Otis A.F.B. has only National Guard F15 - and very few of these actually on standby with the pilots godknows where at short notice - does anyone know if any were launched and if they were armed?

Some good posts on the machinations of the secret services - I believe that most of these guys ( of all nations ) are nations unto themselves and don't reveal anything to anyone unless forced or doing so can engender good job prospects for the boss - in Great Britain they are all looking for a Knighthood and a big house in Surrey.

Al Queada - does mean "network" but don't think of it as a network like the Web - it's merely a loose band of isolated cells that mainly work by themselves but occasionally can be asked to do tasks by folk they look up to.

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[aggle-rithm]

Al Queada - does mean "network" but don't think of it as a network like the Web - it's merely a loose band of isolated cells that mainly work by themselves but occasionally can be asked to do tasks by folk they look up to.

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Right, it's more like a distributed system where the components make asynchronous calls to each other.

(Of course, last year when I was knee deep in web services, I would have said it was just like a web service.)

 

[Jackanory]

Al Queada - does mean "network" but don't think of it as a network like the Web - it's merely a loose band of isolated cells that mainly work by themselves but occasionally can be asked to do tasks by folk they look up to.

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'International Terrorists' used to be the buzz word. They changed it to Al Queada for some reason known only to pen pushers. 'Insurgence' then became a by -product popular buzz word. Al Queada is harder to spell and pronounce and is why the twoofers say 'gubmint' instead.

 

[MaGZ]

Ah, things have moved on a little since my last visit - we now have a C.T'er that imbues small airborne anti-aircraft missiles with the power of building demolition! How did it do that then? How did the firing aircraft's acquistion & targeting radar manage to lock-up a BUILDING????

We also have a slight problem of whether any of the aircraft "scrambled" ( I hesitate to use that word as it was more of an amble into the sky that day ) actually had any mission armourment of any kind loaded for readiness - most of these "go see" fly-bys are in unarmed aircraft.

I can also see from posts that C.T.'s are confused by the term "shotdown" - they seem to think that automatically means the use of a gun rather than by any means including missiles.

As far I understand - Otis A.F.B. has only National Guard F15 - and very few of these actually on standby with the pilots godknows where at short notice - does anyone know if any were launched and if they were armed?

Some good posts on the machinations of the secret services - I believe that most of these guys ( of all nations ) are nations unto themselves and don't reveal anything to anyone unless forced or doing so can engender good job prospects for the boss - in Great Britain they are all looking for a Knighthood and a big house in Surrey.

Al Queada - does mean "network" but don't think of it as a network like the Web - it's merely a loose band of isolated cells that mainly work by themselves but occasionally can be asked to do tasks by folk they look up to.

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Profile: Otis Air National Guard Base
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=otis_air_national_guard_base

 

[funk de fino]

Profile: Otis Air National Guard Base
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=otis_air_national_guard_base

Mike Catalano. Look him up.

 

[1stClassAlan]

Well, I have no way of knowing just how reliable this quote is but for what it's worth :-

"The aircraft maintenance squadron officer started preparing the base’s F-15s for combat less than 15 minutes after the second attack in New York (see (9:15 a.m.-9:35 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Spencer, 2008, pp. 155] But despite the reportedly “furious pace of the weapons handlers” who “hurried to fix all available jets with live weapons,” only a few jets have so far been loaded with any armament. [Cape Cod Times, 9/8/2002; Spencer, 2008, pp. 245]"

So it would seem that no aircraft took to the air BEFORE the attacking planes had already hit their targets and even then were probably not armed.

What's really needed is a post or two from folks who were working on the base - preferrably aircraft armourers.

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[Sam.I.Am]

Well, I have no way of knowing just how reliable this quote is but for what it's worth :-

"The aircraft maintenance squadron officer started preparing the base’s F-15s for combat less than 15 minutes after the second attack in New York (see (9:15 a.m.-9:35 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Spencer, 2008, pp. 155] But despite the reportedly “furious pace of the weapons handlers” who “hurried to fix all available jets with live weapons,” only a few jets have so far been loaded with any armament. [Cape Cod Times, 9/8/2002; Spencer, 2008, pp. 245]"

So it would seem that no aircraft took to the air BEFORE the attacking planes had already hit their targets and even then were probably not armed.

What's really needed is a post or two from folks who were working on the base - preferrably aircraft armourers.

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I think that there were only two planes armed and ready at each of the bases designated as being on standby that day and only two of those bases were within range of NYC and DC. What the article seems to be covering was getting some of the other fighters armed. It's not SOP to have all of your squadrons armed and ready for maintainence and safety reasons. At the time two was considered satisfactory.