What's your theory about 9/11?

[carlitos]

cross-posting off-topic comment from other thread before it gets moved again

You seem to have a really hard time understanding that threads here are kept ON TOPIC, so I am pasting your theory about 9/11 in the appropriate thread, since your off-topic derails keep getting deleted / moved by the moderators. You are welcome.

I believe the US government purposefully, and with full cooperation with elements of Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Pakistan, allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen. I also believe explosives were planted in wtc 7, probably 1 & 2 as well. I *think* they may have been planted by US agents, but they may as well have been planted by some other agents. However, teh level of technologically advanced explosive that would have had to be used says U.S.

The reasons were of course the wars, and to cover up and end the SEC investigations of Enron and Worldcom, because many high level politicians were knee deep in that poo, and even if they didn't know it was done for them, they are still powerful enough pawns that needed to be saved.

I believe it took around 4 to 5 dozen orchestrators, a couple dozen patsies, and thousands of people doing their jobs. And yes, I believe Dick Cheney knew damn well, and W didn't have a clue.

I further believe that the military was not involved, they simply took their orders, yes that means I believe Cheney either gave the orders to stand down, or was sure the military was occupied elsewhere, and confused by the drills they were running.

I further believe the reason for the lack of any disciplinary action, whatsoever, is because they did not want any kind of investigation. Indeed, that is why the investigation was poorly funded, and why it took months before it was even begun.

although you think this now gives you tons of ammo to "debunk" me, don't bother, I've seen and heard it all before, and frankly, most of it is total and utter denial driven piss poor logic.

 

[Thunder]

I think this whole topic is a travesty and an insult to science.

There is only one TRUE theory about what happened on 9-11, and that is the so-called OCT.

A theory, is a hypothesis that is based on verified evidence, and ideas that can be tested and reproduced.

There is NO "theory" by 9-11 truthers that is based on verifiable evidence, or experiments that can be reproduced in a lab.

 

[aggle-rithm]

You seem to have a really hard time understanding that threads here are kept ON TOPIC, so I am pasting your theory about 9/11 in the appropriate thread, since your off-topic derails keep getting deleted / moved by the moderators. You are welcome.

Proof positive that it's better to claim you don't have a theory and make people think you're a moron, than to post something like UWdude did and remove all doubt.

 

[djlunacee]

9/11....what happened? How? Who? I will be honest, at first I guess you could call me truther, not the Judy Woods or Jim Fetzer or David Icke fringe star wars, aliens did it. But some of the theories being spun forth by that movement seemed plausible, so in my foolishness, I took them at face value and went on with my life. However, being in my line of business, (I work for the mortgage division of a major financial institution) seeing the state of today's economy, I started to seek out some of the foundations as to the reason why.

What happened? 19 really pissed off radical muslims boarded 4 seperate planes, took control of said planes and managed to strike three of their targets the two towers, and the pentagon, period. There were no bombs in the buildings, it was not a cover up, the brave souls of flight 93 did fight back, and try to regain control of that flight or at least make it abort from its final destination. It was absolutely a military still ambush, textbook almost. How do you destroy a country? Take out their financial nerve center, Twin Towers...Hit their military complex, Pentagon...cut off the head of the proverbial snake.....congress/white house. These were educated men that plotted, and coordinated these attacks, not cave dwellers as some put it.

In my opinion plain and simple, they caught us with our pants down. I have read all the science papers from Bazant, Greening, Mackey, and the rest. I have also read the trash from DRG, Jones, and the likes. I have seen the debates by Mark Roberts. 9/11 was a terriorist attack, nothing else. The real tragedy lies in the fact that some people still do not get it.

 

[twinstead]

In my opinion plain and simple, they caught us with our pants down. I have read all the science papers from Bazant, Greening, Mackey, and the rest. I have also read the trash from DRG, Jones, and the likes. I have seen the debates by Mark Roberts. 9/11 was a terriorist attack, nothing else. The real tragedy lies in the fact that some people still do not get it.

Fortunately, that tragedy is mitigated somewhat by the fact that these 'truthers' will always be a tiny fringe group forever spewing their nonsense only on internet forums and cult websites.

 

[cantonear1968]

"What's your theory about 9/11?"

Hijackers, planes, fire.

Please have your facts & evidence ready if you disagree with that.

 

[dafydd]

And what exactly is wrong with that?

If you can't see what's wrong with that then you are beyond help.

 

[dafydd]

My comment wasn't directed at you. It's not my theory, but I think Stellafane has the right tack as far as just having a reasonable conversation about possible theories. In the interest of time, I'll probably stick to the most specific and sincere questions. Any attempt at getting me to summarize, arguably the most complex single day in American history and what I think "really happened" isn't going to elicit much of a response from me.

I wonder why that is! I suppose the events of that day would seem complex to a truther,for the rest of us it's pretty straightforward.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

I believe that it was Al-Qaeda fanatics who wanted to bring abotu a worldwide nightmare. Nuff said.

 

[LashL]

Posts on overthrow of Allende split to a new thread here.

Posted By: LashL

 

[carlitos]

Breaking my self-imposed early boycott to cross-post this into the appropriate thread. Any more enlightenment from sts75 on this hypothesis would be most welcome.

Do you think that a giant orbiting laser destroyed the WTC? Your hero does.

No i think mossad facilitated the whole event for and on behalf of a faction of the C.I.A., who in turn were acting on behalf of bush senoir and others in the ex presidents club trading as haliburton, i prefer to follow the money in any crime.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

"What's your theory about 9/11?"

Extremists from Afghanistan plotted & planned the destruction of the WTC since their first attack in 1993. That fires can cause steel to warp & bend, since steel workers have the ability to shape steel with fire & electricty. That gravity caused the WTC's to fall & not by some imaginary "explosives" & an "evil death ray from space". That whatever a Truther says is totally & utterly garbage & not to be taken seriously due to the lack of physical evidence because they're crazy people who need psychiatric help.

 

[ImANiceGuy]

A cabal of Global Elite's orchestrated the attacks of 9/11 to further their geo-political efforts. The war on terror is actually just a permanent war economy. There is no d-day coming...

 

[T.A.M.]

A cabal of Global Elite's orchestrated the attacks of 9/11 to further their geo-political efforts. The war on terror is actually just a permanent war economy. There is no d-day coming...

another evidenceless based theory. I have a theory that the four horsemen are Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and Kenny from south park. I have as much proof as you do for my theory, so they are both equally valid, I think.

TAM

 

[ImANiceGuy]

another evidenceless based theory. I have a theory that the four horsemen are Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and Kenny from south park. I have as much proof as you do for my theory, so they are both equally valid, I think.

TAM

Well I've got record deficit spending on a never-ending war.....this evidence fits my hypothesis.

 

[ProBonoShill]

A cabal of Global Elite's orchestrated the attacks of 9/11 to further their geo-political efforts. The war on terror is actually just a permanent war economy. There is no d-day coming...

How is a war in Afghanistan furthering the global elite's geo-political efforts?

 

[paloalto]

What actually happened prior to 9/11 that had allowed these attacks to take place

If you are familiar with Lawrence Wright's "The Looming Tower" you know that Wright says that the CIA had obstructed the FBI Cole bombing investigators in their investigation of this attack.

According to the account of Ali Soufan by Lawrence Wright, Soufan first asked the Yemen CIA station in November 2000, if the CIA had been aware of any al Qaeda planning meeting in south east Asia that had taken place in January 2000, or had any information on Walid Bin Attash, aka Khallad, thought to be the mastermind of the attack on the USS Cole. He was told there was no information at the CIA on any al Qaeda planning meeting in southeast Asia or on Bin Attash.

But just after Bin Attash had been identified on December 16, 2000 by the FBI/CIA joint source from the passport of bin Attash, Soufan had attached to his request, according to the DOJ IG report, “CIA overseas personnel” requested photos from the CIA Bin Laden unit of Walid Bin Attash and Khalid al-Mihdhar taken at this al Qaeda Kuala Lumpur planning meeting to also be shown to the FBI/CIA joint source. While no one has ever identified the “CIA overseas personnel” described in the DOJ IG report, it is now clear it was the Yemen CIA station that made this request since the results of showing these photos to the FBI/CIA joint source was sent back to the Yemen station. In any case the Yemen station and the CIA Bin Laden unit were aware that Bin Attash had been identified at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting on January 4, 2001, and yet never gave this information to Soufan, committing the federal crime of withholding material information from an ongoing FBI criminal investigation.

Edited by LashL: 

Quoted moderated content snipped for Rule 4.

The real story of what had taken place prior to the attacks on 9/11 is available in the public domain, but it is not all in one place.

It turns out there is more than enough information now on the internet located in "US official government reports and on US official government web sites" to put the complete story of 9/11 back together again, it just took some time and effort.

Many of the most important original source materials are located on a web site, www.eventson911.com, and come from the following locations:

The Account of FBI Agent Ali Soufan, taken from the New Yorker July 17, 2006 issue. Soufan is the former FBI Agent who testified in front of congress recently on torture, and was the lead FBI investigators on the bombing of the USS Cole.

The US Department of Justice Inspector General’s Report on the performance of the FBI prior to 9/11,

The material entered into the trial of Moussaoui and the testimony given to the US DOJ IG investigators on November 7, 2002 by Sherry Sabol, the attorney FBI Agent Dina Corsi consulted prior to taking the investigation of Mihdhar away from FBI Agent Steve Bongardt, testimony found on page 538 of the 9/11 Commission report.

The material from the Moussaoui trail came from the government web site located at:

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/... /

The account of FBI Agent Ali Soufan comes from FBI Special Agent Steve Bongardt, who was FBI Special Agent Ali Soufan’s assistant on the Cole bombing investigation. This account was given to author Lawrence Wright and vetted by John Miller information officer at the FBI prior to being published in the New Yorker on July 17, 2006 and the book Looming Tower which won a Pulitzer prize in 2007. This account can be considered the official account of the FBI prior to the attacks on 9/11.

I have snipped this lengthy post for compliance with Rule 4 regarding copyright and/or long tracts of text available elsewhere. Instead of cutting and pasting it in its entirety, just post a short segment and provide a link to the pre-existing source.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

 

[paloalto]

The facts of actually what had occurred prior to the attacks on 9/11 has been researched in full and listed at the following link.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/rschop

To summarize;

The CIA and FBI HQ found out that both Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were inside of the US on August 22, 2001, and even knew they were inside of the US in order to take part in a massive al Qaeda attack that would kill thousands. Yet the CIA and FBI HQ deliberately withheld this information from the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing.

But the CIA had been deliberately hiding the names Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi from the FBI Cole bombing investigators since the Cole bombing had taken place. When Walid Bin Attash, the mastermind of the Cole bombing, had been identified from a photograph of him taken at the al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000, and the CIA also had photos of Mihdhar and Hazmi at the same meeting they knew, that these three long time al Qaeda terrorists had been part of the planning of the Cole bombing that had taken place at this meeting. The CIA also knew if the FBI Cole bombing investigators ever became aware of this information, it would expose the CIA culpability in allowing these attacks to have taken place. Just after Bin Attash had been identified at Kuala Lumpur the CIA started a massive wide ranging criminal conspiracy to hide this information from the FBI Cole bombing investigators.

Snipped for compliance with Rule 4. Again, post just a short segment and a link to the other source.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

NOTE, all three were on AA 77 that crashed into the Pentagon killing over 200 people.

The actual documents that can prove this theory of what had occurred at the CIA and FBI HQ, that prove they had deliberately allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place and even the actual reasons why they did this are all listed on www.eventson911.com. All of this material comes from US official government source and web sites.

“I hate to say it, but unless someone can provide some new additional information and not their OPINION to effectively refute any of this evidence, they should politely keep their comments to themselves." I don’t want any more uniformed opinions, just facts that can refute any of this information and material.

 

[Dog Town]

The actual documents that can prove this theory of what had occurred at the CIA and FBI HQ, that prove they had deliberately allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place .

Interesting OPINION!


Then there's this:

“I hate to say it, but unless someone can provide some new additional information and not their OPINION to effectively refute any of this evidence, they should politely keep their comments to themselves." I don’t want any more uniformed opinions, just facts that can refute any of this information and material.

Oh' the...

 

[Toke]

A shame Ultima1 is gone, I am sure he could have shed light on this.
You know, being an nsa officer and all.