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Tea Party Convention

I almost want to throttle the idiot that let anyone from WND on the stage. That would be the surest way to torpedo the entire movement. Fortunately, Breitbart went head to head with him in public.

(Having said that, this convention isn't really representative of the actual Tea Party, so fortunately it's not too big of a deal)
 
joobz said:
The tea party didn't surface or start squawking until it was clear that Obama was going to win. And judging by the rhetoric coming out of the convention, I think the platform of the tea partier is: "One culture in this one nation under the Christian god as defined by the fundamentalist movement"
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I don't think you should look at the convention (and, specifically, the founder of WND) as representative of people who call themselves "Tea Partiers."
 
Sporanox said:
The whole foundation of the Tea Party is fiscal, not social, conservatism - despite several accusations of "socialism."
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THAT has got to be thee most laughable, among the endless many, claims of the TBs


PLEASE TELL US, where oh where were ALL these people protesting the Bush and Co.

When they were passing the bail out bill and the medicaid bill.

It's just laughable that NOT a peep was heard from ALL these people who are EVER so concerned about 'Merika' While a white republican was doing the EXACT same thing
that a black Dem is doing now.

When Bush was doing it it was "SAVING us from TERRORIST"
When Obama does it't the end of the world and FREEEEDM

Note - this has NOTHING to do with whether you agree with the policies or not Since BUSH created the bail outs and tarp and AFAIK Obama is simply following what bush set out.
 
Seriously Sporanox, while it might appear that people doubting that claim seem to just be taking cheap shots, it's not as if we all live on a different planet and don't know any Tea Party people or their sympathizers personally. They are, by and large, extremists in every dimension -- not just fiscally. Since Obama's imminent election, I have been personally shocked at how many people I know who have suddenly become financial experts, seemingly overnight.
 
Sporanox said:
I don't think you should look at the convention (and, specifically, the founder of WND) as representative of people who call themselves "Tea Partiers."
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REALLY - DO please point us to anyting resembling a coherent examply that disproves this? Because all week on the news it's been
Alan Keyes and the birthers and Sailing for freedom wackjobs whining about
Save our nation for JEBUS from the iieveel socialist black man. as is has been from day one of teabagging.
 
Sporanox said:
The whole foundation of the Tea Party is fiscal, not social, conservatism - despite several accusations of "socialism."
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WHHHHHHAAAAATTTT???

Please provide a citation for the beginning of this movement, AND that it was 'only' fiscal conservatism they were concerned about.

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Nevermind, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests,_2009

Regardless, the original movement has been hijacked.
 
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corplinx said:
This is my answer to "what is the tea party?". You may have skipped over it in your quick attempt to link me to apologists for racial charged comments:

Having a Tea Party convention is on its face..... dumb? The Tea Party is a meta-party. There is no actual platform. Its a single issue meta-party from what I can tell whose issue is the runaway spending problems of the two major parties.

Do you fundamentally disagree with this analysis? I could be wrong. I am just going by what I've read myself.
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Not really. I agree that some Tea Party people think it's not a party. There is only agreement if you claim that those who disagree aren't true Tea Partisans.

Obviously the people putting on, participating in and attending the convention don't agree with you.

I raised this point a while back when we were discussing the proposition that the Tea Party has many racist members. When we'd point to examples of overt racism*, the response was always that that individual isn't a member of the real Tea Party.

I also pointed out that this internal disagreement over what the real Tea Party is seems to be common among Tea Partisans.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5510286#post5510286

ETA *Mostly in the form of photos of overtly racist signs being held at Tea Party protests where such signs were welcome until someone begins characterizing them as racist, at which point you get the "no true Tea Party member" stuff and quick attempts to distance from those individuals.
 
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JoeTheJuggler said:
Not really. I agree that some Tea Party people think it's not a party. There is only agreement if you claim that those who disagree aren't true Tea Partisans.

Obviously the people putting on, participating in and attending the convention don't agree with you.

I raised this point a while back when we were discussing the proposition that the Tea Party has many racist members. When we'd point to examples of overt racism*, the response was always that that individual isn't a member of the real Tea Party.

I also pointed out that this internal disagreement over what the real Tea Party is seems to be common among Tea Partisans.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5510286#post5510286

ETA *Mostly in the form of photos of overtly racist signs being held at Tea Party protests where such signs were welcome until someone begins characterizing them as racist, at which point you get the "no true Tea Party member" stuff and quick attempts to distance from those individuals.
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Being a de-centralized single-issue movement, I can see why they would be offended that people would point to the occasional inflammatory sign as being representative of their movement. However, being a de-centralized movement with no authority, they can't say "he is not one of us" with credibility. It goes two ways. The only legitmate use of "no true tea partier" is if the person.... what... supports deficit spending past certain ratio of GDP? Having one issue doesn't make it any clearer.
 
King of the Americas said:
WHHHHHHAAAAATTTT???

Please provide a citation for the beginning of this movement, AND that it was 'only' fiscal conservatism they were concerned about.

ETA:

Nevermind, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests,_2009

Regardless, the original movement has been hijacked.
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Exactly. Fiscal conservatism brought people together. In fact, the depth of the hatred Tea Partiers feel for TARP is such that almost anyone, from either party, that voted for the bailouts is booed out.

Also, many of you are simply assuming that TPs are simply Republican caricatures...not exactly true. It is quite simple to point out the attention-grabbers (although in some notable cases, they weren't exactly TPs) and tar the movement as a whole. People like Zo show up to some of the rallies - not exactly firebreathing redneck material.

If you think about it, any massive anti-Obama movement (such as the TPs are pushing) will inevitably attract all the usual suspects who piggyback the wave. Not that they aren't TPs - they're just not representative (EDIT: of MOST TPs).
 
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corplinx said:
Being a de-centralized single-issue movement, I can see why they would be offended that people would point to the occasional inflammatory sign as being representative of their movement. However, being a de-centralized movement with no authority, they can't say "he is not one of us" with credibility. It goes two ways. The only legitmate use of "no true tea partier" is if the person.... what... supports deficit spending past certain ratio of GDP? Having one issue doesn't make it any clearer.
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I mostly agree with what you say here. Which mostly agrees with what I said weeks ago, that there is a trend in the Tea Party movement for people to claim that they are the Tea Party but others are not. Again, I point to the Houston Tea Party trying hard to distance themselves from that Dale character (who appeared on national TV as the spokesman and founder of teaparty.org), and also to this curious webpage for the "Official Chicago Tea Party": http://www.officialchicagoteaparty.com/

However, again I point out that there are some Tea Partisans who do think it is a centralized or at least unified movement. (Again, read the news. One Ms. Palin is addressing the National Tea Party Convention tonight.)
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
I mostly agree with what you say here. Which mostly agrees with what I said weeks ago, that there is a trend in the Tea Party movement for people to claim that they are the Tea Party but others are not. Again, I point to the Houston Tea Party trying hard to distance themselves from that Dale character (who appeared on national TV as the spokesman and founder of teaparty.org), and also to this curious webpage for the "Official Chicago Tea Party": http://www.officialchicagoteaparty.com/

However, again I point out that there are some Tea Partisans who do think it is a centralized or at least unified movement. (Again, read the news. One Ms. Palin is addressing the National Tea Party Convention tonight.)
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Attempting to make the movement a monolithic entity that can be whipped and corralled into shape is, well, contrary to the spirit of the Tea Parties. Better if they hang loose. I'm still surprised that a some are shocked that fiscal conservatism was the driving force.
 
Sporanox said:
Attempting to make the movement a monolithic entity that can be whipped and corralled into shape is, well, contrary to the spirit of the Tea Parties. Better if they hang loose. I'm still surprised that a some are shocked that fiscal conservatism was the driving force.
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Except maybe for the ones holding a National Tea Party Convention who probably do see this as a more unified national organization.

But I understand, they're not true Scotsmen Tea Partisans.
 
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