Merged James Madison on Various Topics

A perfect example of political fundamentalism: the inerrant words of the founding fathers should be the unchanging template from which all policies spring.

That being said, Washington had a point with his "dangerous entanglements"...;)

Listening to advice of people with great wisdom is not fundamentalism.

:jaw-dropp
 
Since when did Upchurch become an authority on the law,
Never said I was. You, on the other hand, have started a pattern of referencing James Madison as an authority, despite the fact that he knew none of the details of our current situation.

and since when was it decided we should ignore the wisdom of the Founding Fathers?
Founding Fathers, plural?

You mean there were more of them besides just James Madison! Astounding! Perhaps you could use your crystal ball to tell us what they thought of this week's earthquake in Haiti?
 
I am waiting breathlessly to hear Madison's words of wisdom with regard to internet porn and copyright infringement laws since his words are apparently omniscient enough to be used out of context for any occasion.
 
You are confused. No one cited Upchurch as an authority to be obeyed forever. Heck, he's not even dead yet.

And no one suggested we ignore the wisdom of the founding fathers. We just question you citing Madison's words and applying them to 21st Century issues as if they were topically relevant and somehow inerrant on issues Madison couldn't possibly foresee.

The principles of the Founding Fathers are still valid today. What you suggest is that we re-invent the wheel.
 
Never said I was. You, on the other hand, have started a pattern of referencing James Madison as an authority, despite the fact that he knew none of the details of our current situation.


Founding Fathers, plural?

You mean there were more of them besides just James Madison! Astounding! Perhaps you could use your crystal ball to tell us what they thought of this week's earthquake in Haiti?

James Madison is an authority:

FACTS about James Madison:

* Fourth President of the United States (1809-1817)
* Father of the Constitution
* Principle Author of the Constitution
* Author of the Bill of Rights
* Architect of the American Republic
* House of Representatives (1789-1797)
* Co-Founder of Democratic-Republican Party
* Author of Virginia Resolution (1798)
* Secretary of State (1801-1809)
* Supervised Louisiana Purchase (1803)
* Commander on Chief during War of 1812 (1812-1815)
* Only President to follow Constitution during a major war
* Abmitted the states of Louisiana and Indiana to the Union
* Annexed West Florida to the Union
* Signer of the Constitution
* Co-Author of Federalist Papers
* Best Friend of Thomas Jefferson
* Second Cousin of Zachary Taylor
* Husband of Dolley Madison
* Member of Continental Congress (1780-1783, 86-87)
* Author of the Virginia Plan
* Learned to read French, Spanish, Italian, ancient Greek, latin, and Hebrew at age 8
* Graduated from College in two years
* Graduated from Graduate School in one year
* At age 25, wrote the clause for Religious Liberty in the Virginia Constitution
* Author of Federalist # 10 and # 51
* Delegate to the Virginia Constitutional Convention of 1776
* Organizer of the Mount Vernon Conference (1785)
* Delegate to the Annapolis Convention (1786)
* Delegate to the Virginia Ratifying Convention of 1788
* Delegate to the Virginia Constitutional Convention of 1829
* Co-Founder of the University of Virginia
* Co-Author of Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom
* As National Leader in Retirement, averted Civil War during the Nullification Crisis of 1828-1834
* Winner of Marbury vs Madison, the greatest Supreme Court decision of all time
* Many other accomplishments, the total number of great accomplishments by James Madison staggers the imagination

http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php?person=3861&Itemid=28

QUOTES

"If men were angels, no government would be necessary."

"A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce, or a tragedy, or perhaps both."

"Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government."

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

"No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

"The capacity of the female mind for studies of the highest order cannot be doubted, having been sufficiently illustrated by its works of genius, of erudition, and of science."

"The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation where the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."

"The executive has no right, in any case, to decide the question, whether there is or is not cause for declaring war."

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries."

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance."
 
He's dead. Long gone and buried. When you can actually ask him about this terrible disaster, then feel free to post his thoughts.

In the meantime, I will donate what I can to help the people, and encourage the government to do what they can to help the people.

I DO hope, Galileo, that you want the USA to to do what they can to help the people of Haiti, whatever aid they can provide. To sit back and do nothing, would be an act of barbarism.

And if James Madison would to refuse aid to people of such a disaster? Then yes, he would indeed be barbaric.
 
He's dead. Long gone and buried. When you can actually ask him about this terrible disaster, then feel free to post his thoughts.

In the meantime, I will donate what I can to help the people, and encourage the government to do what they can to help the people.

I DO hope, Galileo, that you want the USA to to do what they can to help the people of Haiti, whatever aid they can provide. To sit back and do nothing, would be an act of barbarism.

And if James Madison would to refuse aid to people of such a disaster? Then yes, he would indeed be barbaric.

You just want to force others to pay, then beat your chest.

I knew James Madison. James Madison was a friend of mine. You, Shamalar, are no James Madison!

:p
 
This is a trolling thread. I suggest everyone ignore it. Go back upstairs and get another bowl of Corn Pops to drool down the front of your Guitar Hero teeshirt as you sit in your mom's basement playing PS 3.
 
You just want to force others to pay, then beat your chest.

I knew James Madison. James Madison was a friend of mine. You, Shamalar, are no James Madison!

:p

Oooohhhh. So wrong. No. I do not want to force others to pay. I will pay my share to help, and I am quite pleased that the US is already doing what they can to help.

And unless you are 300 years old, or a Necromancer, you do not, did not, and never knew James Madison, which makes you a liar. As well, It is Shalamar, and am no James Madison, I am DARTH VADER.
 

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