Split Thread 'Nose-out' footage

[beachnut]

How come you stopped posting bill?

She needs her sleep and time to google some more delusions to post. It takes a special kind of insanity to join with the no-plane liars. It is not easy to google lies and delusions and miss all the reality based evidence on 911; but she does it with ease. Have no idea why a forum of skeptics attracts the only person on earth only skeptical of reality.

I did not see the impact live, I have talked to people who did. I was on active duty on 911 and went to work that day. When I heard of the second impact I knew UBL made good his promise to kill us when he could. But then I was in the military since 1976 and knew UBL was promising to kill us, and so did the rest of the world even Dan Rather had this fact right.

 

[dafydd]

Yes Bill...at 590 mph...the wings did penetrate the perimeter columns.

ETA: Bill, I've been very disappointed at your trolling lately. Usually, your good for a good laugh..but here lately...you've been kinda obvious about saying stuff to get a flame response. As the longest lived "truther" on this board...you do provide a certain amount of entertainment...but please Bill..don't be so obvious.

Bill is getting so predictable.If some nutcase propounded the theory here that invisible Martians did it,bill would give it credence,just to yank your chains.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

That's Invisible Reptilian Martians. Get it right.

(AAK AAAAK AAK)

 

[TruthersLie]

Mothra

 

[ozeco41]

...,bill would give it credence,just to yank your chains.

Chain yanking is apparently the predominant interest of many folk who post here.

 

[bardamu]

This exterior panel with embedded wheel could not be planted unless your stupid enough to believe a crane unloaded it from a truck between wtc 1 and wtc2 getting hit.


[qimg]http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/7-70_tire-embedded-wtc1-panel.jpg/7-70_tire-embedded-wtc1-panel-full.jpg[/qimg]

This kills the 'they planted it' fantasy.

What exactly is holding that wheel in place?

 

[BigAl]

What exactly is holding that wheel in place?

What part of "embedded" do you not understand?

In that picture, notice that the exterior columns (the box section steel) broke neatly at the joints with the next section. We know that the break is at the end joint because of the little square hole which was used by the steel workers to install the connection bolts.

Lots of disconnected beams (most?) failed at the joints. No sign of man-made demolition.

 

[beachnut]

This exterior panel with embedded wheel could not be planted unless your stupid enough to believe a crane unloaded it from a truck between wtc 1 and wtc2 getting hit.

This kills the 'they planted it' fantasy.

Planted during a 590 mph impact; it is stuck good. I hate when that happens, the old wedged in tire stuck in the steel frame.

Planted by terrorists... the no plane stuff is ridiculous.

same tire, different view...

 

[bardamu]

Planted during a 590 mph impact; it is stuck good. I hate when that happens, the old wedged in tire stuck in the steel frame.

It's just that the gap between the columns is quite a bit wider than the tyre that's wedged in it.

 

[BigAl]

It's just that the gap between the columns is quite a bit wider than the tyre that's wedged in it.

There's more to a wheel assembly than the rubber.

It's a part of a landing gear assembly stuck in a window opening. Deal with it.

You seem to have a problem with reality.

 

[TruthersLie]

What exactly is holding that wheel in place?

Oh goody.

another word that you don't know.
lets see
momentum
gradual
architectural footprint
impulse
symmetrical
uniform
proof
research

This one is part of the momentum word above... it is called embedded.

Try again. Wow you have really put together a huge reading list. I think most of them were covered in 8th or 9th grade.

 

[TruthersLie]

It's just that the gap between the columns is quite a bit wider than the tyre that's wedged in it.

argument from ignroance noted.

do you have anything besides ignorance and incredulity to bring to the discussion? ever?

ETA. Tyres? Really? Now we know how bad your manchester education really is.

 

[dafydd]

Oh goody.

another word that you don't know.
lets see
momentum
gradual
architectural footprint
impulse
symmetrical
uniform
proof
research

This one is part of the momentum word above... it is called embedded.

Try again. Wow you have really put together a huge reading list. I think most of them were covered in 8th or 9th grade.

Bardamu must have missed those grades.

 

[twinstead]

Or maybe not in those grades yet?


Oh, and I wish you people would spell "tire" properly!

 

[bardamu]

ETA. Tyres? Really? Now we know how bad your manchester education really is.

I hope Mancman isn't reading this. It's quite an insult to anybody from that city.

Oh, and I wish you people would spell "tire" properly!

I wish you people would get a language of your own.

 

[bill smith]

I hope Mancman isn't reading this. It's quite an insult to anybody from that city.




I wish you people would get a language of your own.

lol

 

[TruthersLie]

I hope Mancman isn't reading this. It's quite an insult to anybody from that city.

I don't think he'd take it that way... after all he knows where P'doh is from... and is probably rightfully embarassed.

I wish you people would get a language of your own.

usually I joke with my brit coworkers about how we need a British to English dictionary in our library... but in your case I think even that wouldn't help.

So go back to school and pay attention to those words you seem to have missed.

 

[dafydd]

I don't think he'd take it that way... after all he knows where P'doh is from... and is probably rightfully embarassed.




usually I joke with my brit coworkers about how we need a British to English dictionary in our library... but in your case I think even that wouldn't help.

So go back to school and pay attention to those words you seem to have missed.

Pay particular attention to"mass" and "momentum".

 

[cyclonic]

aircraft parts embedded in a car

FDNY eyewitness accounts.
"We just passed a compact car where the engine was running and the door was open, which looked to me like the driver had escaped, but from the back seat to the trunk was crushed by a jet engine. We started going up West Street. I believe that's when Smitty ran over the part of the plane, but he did that to avoid the bodies because there were obviously bodies in the street". FDNY firefighter Michael Hazel

"A tremendous fireball, flaming debris, pieces of the airplane, fuselage, landing gear, pieces of the building. ...We started running down one of the little side streets, Courtlandt or Dey. There were people dead in the street that obviously you couldn't help them. There was flaming debris coming down all over. It was just a matter of who got hit with the debris. FDNY Captain Michael Donovan


Look and learn.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/aircraftpartsnyc911

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Amount of fuel in outboard tanks = 0.00 gallons

Momentum of fuel hitting corresponding columns = 0.00 lbf-s

Pressure = 0.00 psi

Impulse = 0.00 lbf-s

Damage = None

I'm facepalming at myself for not initially realizing that Bardamu was confusing perimeter and core damage at first, as well as for Bardamu for not comprehending a damn thing about Ryan's presentation. For starters:

Yes, I've been using the top diagram showing the observed damage. The black dashes show the damaged areas where columns are not broken. You can see that a section of the right wing that was carrying no fuel would have to break through columns, a spandrel and a concrete floor.

Christ... One more time:

NIST provides pressure-impulse curves required to break typical WTC core columns...

... Demonstrates that, at this speed, fuel alone can plausibly fail core columns

Hasn't it occurred to you that Ryan wasn't discussing damage observed to the perimeter structures, and that he was modeling damage done to core columns? Do you realize that you're citing an image labeled "Base case impact damage to the WTC 1 exterior wall" to challenge a case Ryan built about the interior damage? Ryan's whole point was that we can see from the impulse calculations that the core columns were what could have been failed by the fuel alone. All the info Ryan lifts from NCSTAR 1-2B was from a section titled "10.5 SIMPLIFIED ANALYSIS OF CORE COLUMN DAMAGE". His entire model is based on what the fuel cloud could have done when it hit the interior structural components.

Furthermore: It's a model. The idea was to show that a single component out of the entire system was sufficient to account for damage done to the core (looks like we need to continually point that out to you; should have realized that before), which means that if for some odd reason several hundred pounds of fuel were flying through the towers columns by itself without a container, it could fail the cores, the point being that fuel plus jet debris can most definitely cause core column failure.

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Folks: We have to realize that Bardamu's not only failing to comprehend points, he's also presenting red herrings as responses. I think we could've saved several pages of comments had we (I'm including myself in this) realized this earlier. We should keep it in mind from here on out.