Split Thread 'Nose-out' footage

[Macgyver1968]

The wings aren't hollow.

 

[Fonebone]

Fonebone > Fess-up Mikillini , How much thought did you give " this one " ?

My funny bone caused me pause.

-Fonebone < NO problem- You answered my question.

 

[bill smith]

[qimg]http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/Boeing-KC-767A.jpg[/qimg]

The wings aren't hollow.

Wow look at the rest of it though ? Are you still going to say that that went through a wall composed of 58% heavy steel like a knife through butter Mac ?

http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034 Nose Cone

 

[BigAl]

Did Bill say something factually wrong again?

 

[twinstead]

Wow look at the rest of it though ? Are you still going to say that that went through a wall composed of 58% heavy steel like a knife through butter Mac ?

http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034 Nose Cone

The wings did what they did. You have no reason other than stark, personal incredulity to say otherwise. Suck it up, bill. I suggest you just say the planes were there, but 'in on it', and walk away.

 

[tfk]

My alma mater does not have a football team. The ultimate frisbee team, however, might have some words.

No FOOTBALL...??!!!

Then what the heck do you need a mascot for??

For the surf team??



Tom

PS. I used to live in Los Gatos, and would do a lot of sea kayaking. Usually putting in by the pier downtown. Excellent times.

Hard to see how many of the SC students got much studying done, tho. Lots o' distractions in that town.

 

[R.Mackey]

No, no surfing team. Surfing is not a team sport.

But we did have water polo, wheelchair basketball, fencing, and chess teams...

Also, it was "grades optional" when I attended, to mitigate the studying problems.

(I was in Math/Physics, so I took grades, of course.)

 

[Hokulele]

No, no surfing team. Surfing is not a team sport.

 

[TJM]

Cheater. His feet were nailed to the board.

 

[cyclonic]

Jane's All The World's Aircraft Entry - Boeing 767

structure.
"Subcontractors include Boeing Military Aircraft (wing fixed leading-edges)"

http://www.janes.com/aerospace/civil/news/jawa/boeing_767.shtml


What are the wing fixed leading-edges made from?
is this why b767s were selected for the attack on the towers?

 

[DGM]

Jane's All The World's Aircraft Entry - Boeing 767

structure.
"Subcontractors include Boeing Military Aircraft (wing fixed leading-edges)"

http://www.janes.com/aerospace/civil/news/jawa/boeing_767.shtml


What are the wing fixed leading-edges made from?
is this why b767s were selected for the attack on the towers?

I take that to mean the design did not have movable leading edge wings. I think they probably considered this aircraft (and it's flight assignments) because of it's range (fuel load) and ease of flying.

 

[cyclonic]

If flying into a bird can do this kind of damage

to an aluminum leading edge,
why wouldn't they try new stronger metals/materials for this area.?

 

[tfk]

Bard,

I said it before your last comment:

Thank you for explaining in detail how little you understand what you were told.
You are twisting yourself up in your attempts to be clever. You ain't that clever, bard.

And you're still trying, and failing, to be clever.

Stop interpreting things like a petulant teenager.
Because someone says "A is true" does NOT translate in to "Oh, you're saying that B is false?"

I explained to you, in detail, what was the purpose of Mackey's presentation.

Here, read it again. And again. And again, if you're still not sure:

The point of that section was NOT to "show that momentum from the plane was not needed".

The point of that section was two-fold.

1. To explain to you the fundamental way that engineers have found, over the course of the last 100 years or so - by experiment, and supplemented by theory - to be the RIGHT considerations to determine what happens in a collision.
...

2. He answered a very specific question: "Twoofers have claimed that it was unreasonable for the plane to have penetrated the outer columns. Does this claim survive technical examination?"

[The answer was "no, that claim does NOT survive scrutiny".]

All the other stuff that you are trying to dissect out of what he said is simply YOUR perverse inclination to separate the wheat from the chaff, and to toss the wheat & keep the chaff.

Amount of fuel in outboard tanks = 0.00 gallons
Momentum of fuel hitting corresponding columns = 0.00 lbf-s
Pressure = 0.00 psi
Impulse = 0.00 lbf-s
Damage = None

Congratulations. You've managed to "prove" that if nothing hits the walls, then no damage will happen.

Brilliant. Perhaps you should write that up. Heiwa can help you.

Unfortunately for your argument, "nothing" did NOT hit the towers. "Something" did. A 767, with a load of fuel, aluminum, steel, cargo and (tragically) people.

Please explain how you think "from the fuel alone" entails "including the plane" in the following sentence.

Perhaps if the topic of Ryan's discussion was "the interaction of the outer 15' of the wings with the walls of the towers", THEN you might have a point.

Somehow, I don't believe that the WINGTIPS are the principle thing that occupies anyone's mind. Except yours. Other people seem somehow focused on, discussing and analyzing the OTHER 98% of the plane. You remember, the part that did all the damage. The part that carried the people, the mass of the plane, and yes, the fuel. The part of the plane that caused ALL the ensuing death & destruction.

But if you'd like to focus on those two 15' sections of the wingtips, bard, you be my guest.

It's been shown that the fuel alone is not sufficient. The model should be scrapped and a new one built to show that the plane alone will penetrate.

[facepalm]

And this is just plain wrong.
Worse, it's brain-dead stupid.

Did you not learn anything?

And my patience with your petulance, your intentional misinterpretation, and your intransigence has run out. You're on your own to wander the Forests of Ignorance alone.

I tried, and failed, to point you in the right direction.

I don't understand why ...

The amount that you don't understand would stack to a small mountain. You've got no one to blame but your stubborn self.


Tom

 

[twinstead]

Congratulations. You've managed to "prove" that if nothing hits the walls, then no damage will happen.

 

[tfk]

It must be possible to measure the fuselage against the known size of the windows by freezing the video at the point of contact. If the comparison should turn out to be grossly wrong that would be instant proof in one swoop of a conspiracy on 9/11.

LMAO.

Yeah, you do that, bill.

Show us that you are capable of successfully performing the brain-bending task of setting up a proportionality ratio.

I can't wait to see this backpedal.

Anyone ever seen someone go backwards at 40 mph on a bicycle?

 

[cyclonic]

Ok lets forget about stronger leading edge wings, we can easily scare them birds off.

 

[cyclonic]

It must be possible to measure the fuselage against the known size of the windows by freezing the video at the point of contact. If the comparison should turn out to be grossly wrong that would be instant proof in one swoop of a conspiracy on 9/11.

Is this good enough for you bill?



Swoopy enough?

 

[bill smith]

Is this good enough for you bill?



Swoopy enough?

That was very interesting Cyclonic.Thank you.

 

[bill smith]

When this video is frozen at 2:41 yu can still see the extreme right wingtip. I notice that it's forward motion was not in any way distrurbed by the fact that the engine and inner edge of the right wing had already shatteringly collided at 600 mph with the braced steel box columns. The video compositor guy appears to suggest that the extreme right wingtip is in fact a dust cloud, but I think simple observation says he is wrong or lying. I think that this is probably the most convincing evidence for no planes that I have yet seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akwFhxl8BVs&feature=player_embedded

 

[bill smith]

Well I should have said no planes or columns that had been tampered with somehow.

I have one main reason why I think they may have been real planes and therefore tampered-with columns.

Who remembers 'Tripod 2' ? .......Well Tripod 2 was a bio-warfare exercise that was to be run at the WTC. Interestingly the entire operation with all it's equipment was already in position the day before 9/11.

Now I have heard quite a few pilots say that hitting a building at 600 mph is a very difficult thing to do. One pilot said that he might manage it one time out of six.

So at that angle and speed if the jet had missed the Tower it would have ploughed into the ground leaving WTC2 untouched. Then of course the hundreds of first responders who were standing by would have gone in and found the demolition stuff and the inside job would have been exposed.

But what if they had suddenly announced that ANTHRAX had been released in the Tower ? Nobody would go in- right ? The whole area would have been evacuated and the building quarantined by that handy bio-warfare team that was already standing by..

Interesting is that the Whitehose began to use Cipro, the antidote for Anthrax on the evening of 9/11. Or sooner if you ask me.

So to me the presence of the Tripod 2 team may indicate a 'plan B' and therefore real planes.