Cayce’s status as a self-proclaimed psychic in question

[Rodney]

Thanks. I think that's a reference to Fay Autry, his stenographer in Texas according to Kirkpatrick, for 3 years. Yeah, who knows, that might have been an affair. I wouldn't state it as fact, unless you know of someplace where they have some concrete evidence, but it seems quite possible considering the circumstances, the rift between Cayce and his wife at that time, and even the resentment and anger Hugh Lynn claimed to feel toward his father over how he treated his mother during those years. I never understood that; maybe it had to do with affairs. Interesting.

I talked at some length with Sidney Kirkpatrick this summer and asked him about the alleged affairs, and he told me that the evidence was inconclusive. Cayce's wife may have been unhappy with him simply because he went to Texas with his son Hugh Lynn to pursue oil wealth.

 

[Rodney]

Cayce, his wife Gertrude and secretary Gladys Davis were arrested on charges of fortune-telling during a visit to New York in 1931, the charges were dismissed, but if he wasn't claiming to be a psychic he wouldn't have got any customers and so wouldnt have been arrested

its an open and shut case

I don't think even Harmon Bro is disputing that Cayce was a psychic in the narrow sense of the word; rather, what I believe Bro is arguing is that Cayce wasn't primarily a psychic, but was rather a down-to-earth person whose only enemies were those who didn't know him personally. For example, Hugo Münsterberg, the dean of psychology of Harvard University, made a surprise visit in 1911 to see Cayce in action and expose him as a charlatan. However, according to Kirkpatrick's book, Münsterberg became convinced of Cayce's legitimacy.

 

[Rodney]

Why was the source concerned with Cayce's with sexual situation?

In his readings, Cayce stated that he and his secretary Gladys Davis were twin souls, and so the question arose as to what their relationship should be in this lifetime. The answer given by the source was equivocal, and Cayce and Gladys chose not to make their relationship physical. Gladys, by the way, married after Cayce's death, becoming Gladys Davis Turner.

 

[ExMinister]

I talked at some length with Sidney Kirkpatrick this summer and asked him about the alleged affairs, and he told me that the evidence was inconclusive. Cayce's wife may have been unhappy with him simply because he went to Texas with his son Hugh Lynn to pursue oil wealth.

I bet that was an interesting conversation. He did write a great biography of Cayce, the best one I know of. My only problem with the book is the endorsement on the cover of mine by Sylvia Browne. Not that this would be Kirkpatrick's doing, I know. Did he shed any further light on Cayce in the conversation?

At any rate, I also thought the evidence for an affair seemed inconclusive in the book. Kirkpatrick did make it seem like a viable possibility though.

 

[Brattus]

I bet that was an interesting conversation. He did write a great biography of Cayce, the best one I know of. My only problem with the book is the endorsement on the cover of mine by Sylvia Browne. Not that this would be Kirkpatrick's doing, I know. Did he shed any further light on Cayce in the conversation?

At any rate, I also thought the evidence for an affair seemed inconclusive in the book. Kirkpatrick did make it seem like a viable possibility though.

Strange human condition. The more people claim to change the more they stay exactly the same.

If you are eating a piece of cake and you exchange the fork you are using for another fork you are still eating cake.

Food for thought.

 

[Correa Neto]

...snip...I'm simply saying that your contention that Atlantis was an "impossibility" is incorrect. But feel free to present whatever evidence you have against either Atlantis or Cayce.
...snip...

Regarding Atlantis, please take a look at
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5104609&postcount=61
Feel free to open a thread to discuss it if you feel you can counter my points with something other than blind faith in a lost cause continent.

 

[ExMinister]

Strange human condition. The more people claim to change the more they stay exactly the same.

If you are eating a piece of cake and you exchange the fork you are using for another fork you are still eating cake.

Food for thought.

I have no idea what you are saying here, Brattus, sorry. Can you be more specific?

 

[Rodney]

I bet that was an interesting conversation. He did write a great biography of Cayce, the best one I know of. My only problem with the book is the endorsement on the cover of mine by Sylvia Browne. Not that this would be Kirkpatrick's doing, I know. Did he shed any further light on Cayce in the conversation?

At any rate, I also thought the evidence for an affair seemed inconclusive in the book. Kirkpatrick did make it seem like a viable possibility though.

Kirkpatrick is a very interesting guy. He says that his wife challenged him to do a book on Cayce because she was a believer and he wasn't. However, he came away convinced that Cayce was the real deal. In fact, he is an investor in a current oil drilling project in Texas that is based on Cayce's readings. Nonetheless, Kirkpatrick recognizes that Cayce was fallible, both as a psychic and as a human being.

Regarding Sylvia Browne, I didn't ask Kirkpatrick about her, but I doubt if he's a fan. One of the points that Harmon Bro made is that the A.R.E. used to distance itself from people like Browne, but now at least implicitly endorses them. Not a good thing, but the main reason to join the A.R.E. is to gain on-line access to the Cayce readings, rather than to buy Sylvia Browne's books at a discount.

 

[Mojo]

In his readings, Cayce stated that he and his secretary Gladys Davis were twin souls

That must have been a great card to play when the time came to negotiate salaries.

 

[Marduk]

but the main reason to join the A.R.E. is to gain on-line access to the Cayce readings, rather than to buy Sylvia Browne's books at a discount.

How would you feel if the A.R.E. started filing Sylvias private sessions in such a way that ignored all the incorrect readings and charged people like you to read them and then started P.R. along the lines of "everything she said is 100% correct" and not actually offering any proof to the contrary while at the same time creating pseudo history to cover many of her faults ?

 

[ExMinister]

Kirkpatrick is a very interesting guy. He says that his wife challenged him to do a book on Cayce because she was a believer and he wasn't. However, he came away convinced that Cayce was the real deal. In fact, he is an investor in a current oil drilling project in Texas that is based on Cayce's readings. Nonetheless, Kirkpatrick recognizes that Cayce was fallible, both as a psychic and as a human being.

Regarding Sylvia Browne, I didn't ask Kirkpatrick about her, but I doubt if he's a fan. One of the points that Harmon Bro made is that the A.R.E. used to distance itself from people like Browne, but now at least implicitly endorses them. Not a good thing, but the main reason to join the A.R.E. is to gain on-line access to the Cayce readings, rather than to buy Sylvia Browne's books at a discount.

The A.R.E. still sends me catalogs. I did notice that sometime after Robert Lancaster started his StopSylvia site and the Shawn Hornbeck case made headlines, they stopped featuring Browne's books.

Thanks for the info on Kirkpatrick. His book is intelligent and comprehensive and thoughtful. It's funny that he came away a believer but it was Kirkpatrick's book that caused me the first doubts about Cayce. Oh well.

 

[Rodney]

How would you feel if the A.R.E. started filing Sylvias private sessions in such a way that ignored all the incorrect readings and charged people like you to read them and then started P.R. along the lines of "everything she said is 100% correct" and not actually offering any proof to the contrary while at the same time creating pseudo history to cover many of her faults ?

If you're implying that is what the A.R.E. has done that with Cayce's readings, I know of no evidence that even one reading has been withheld from public view because it would make Cayce look bad. There are, in fact, a number of publicly-available readings that do make Cayce look bad.

 

[Mojo]

If you're implying that is what the A.R.E. has done that with Cayce's readings, I know of no evidence that even one reading has been withheld from public view because it would make Cayce look bad. There are, in fact, a number of publicly-available readings that do make Cayce look bad.

None of the ones I've seen so far make him look particularly good.

 

[MaryCBW]

I think Casey said "the source" nonsense about the affair for one reason.
He wanted people to believe that his morals were beyond reproach. If
"the source" was for real then it is beyond tacky for him to say anything
to anyone. He did not need to bring this up and her morals were questioned
the second he opened his mouth.
imo, this fits:
"In American English, the phrase "the lady doth protest too much" definitely indicates that you think the subject's ardent denial of a proposition is meant to cover up its embarrassing truth."
http://everything2.com/title/The+lady+doth+protest+too+much%2C+methinks

 

[MaryCBW]

I forgot to add something. I think was the perfect C.Y.A. move to say that he never
remembered what he said during the readings.