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Cayce’s status as a self-proclaimed psychic in question

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While doing some research on the life of Edgar Cayce, I came across this article claiming that his fame as a psychic was started not by him, but by his son Hugh Lynn. Here’s the link:

http://www.intuitive-connections.net/2004/caycenotpsychic.htm


Now, here’s my take on this topic:

It’s disappointing to know that a son would lie about his father’s metaphysical and religious beliefs in order to capitalize this myth about Cayce’s psychic ability, despite their religious devotion. The author’s most striking point, to me, is this:

“Consequences of describing him as a psychic include...fostering a drift among his followers toward abandonment of the critical empiricism which Cayce both practiced and recommended, in favor of devotion to authority of trance utterance.”

There’s a lot to this article, but if it’s true then Edgar Cayce was never a self-proclaimed psychic. His son just carelessly or intentionally slapped that label onto his father.

Leaving aside the so called predictions that Cayce made, his supposed “contributions” to pseudoscience and other absurd things (probably invented by his son after the death of his father, if the article is true), what other sources, if any, claim that Edgar Cayce was, or wasn’t, a self-proclaimed psychic? Keep in mind that being a spiritual councilor does not qualify as having psychic abilities, at least according to what I read from the article. However, predictions, telepathy and the like do count as “psychic abilities”.

Finally, I’m well aware of the fact that this article was written by someone who holds many New Age beliefs, both trivial and absurd, so don’t bother pointing that out.

Posts and comments on this topic are welcome. Also, if I was missing anything important from this article, please let me know.
 
I think it's just a matter of semantics. He did things psychics claim to do, he just didn't use the term, if the article is correct. If I stand on a corner and claim to predict the future and heal your diseases and ailments, even though I don't call myself a psychic I can see where others would put that label on me.

He was known as the sleeping psychic, whether or not he called himself that, that is one the labels by which he will be known.
 
What's disappointing to me is the complete lack of critical thinking skills by people who actually believe that Edgar Cayce used psychic abilities to help so many people become rich and successful yet he ran his hospital into the ground.
 
I think it's just a matter of semantics. He did things psychics claim to do, he just didn't use the term, if the article is correct. If I stand on a corner and claim to predict the future and heal your diseases and ailments, even though I don't call myself a psychic I can see where others would put that label on me.

He was known as the sleeping psychic, whether or not he called himself that, that is one the labels by which he will be known.

He was known as the "Sleeping Prophet" or "fraud".
 
First, he was a self-proclaimed psychic. Cayce himself claimed to have waking psychic experiences most of his life, and he claimed to be able to psychically diagnose and treat medical ailments in a sleeping state, as well as to read past lives and psychically answer questions regarding the purpose of life and the nature of God.

The writer of this article is someone whose books are familiar to me. I think that the main idea he is trying to get across with this article is that Cayce was a devout Christian but that his son, Hugh Lynn, downplayed this in order to appeal to several decades of New Age types, to the point that all these years later, Cayce is now seen as a New Age figure, a psychic - and his followers are predominantly New Agers.

I think he is arguing that Cayce was first and foremost a devout Christian, not a psychic - someone who read the Bible from cover to cover every year of his life, taught Sunday school, and tried hard to live according to Christian principles as he understood them. According to the author, the things most important to Cayce included service to others, faith, prayer, church attendance, and other very traditional Christian values. In my own study of Cayce and his teachings, I would agree. The things most important to his New Age followers, to probably over-simplify a bit, are less about service to others and more along the lines of how to create your own reality, pyramids and crystals, horoscopes and how to develop your own psychic ability.

I didn't read the entire article, just skimmed through it, but I think that's the overall idea behind it.

I agree with the author that Hugh Lynn Cayce down-played his dad's religious beliefs in order to appeal to the New Age crowd. In so doing, Cayce also fell out of favor with the Christian groups he himself had most in common with. But to this day, most evangelical Christians regard his work as inspired by satan and to be avoided, and even if he weren't considered a psychic, he would still be at odds in Christian circles for his teachings on reincarnation.

Cayce's lifestyle along with what his friends, family and acquaintances (such as the author of this article, who knew Cayce personally) had to say about him, are part of what has had me convinced that Cayce was not a fraud in the usual sense of the word. I think he was at least sincere in what he was doing.
 
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I think he is arguing that Cayce was first and foremost a devout Christian, not a psychic - someone who read the Bible from cover to cover every year of his life, taught Sunday school, and tried hard to live according to Christian principles as he understood them.
I'm wondering where his criminal conviction fits into that ?

:D
 
He was known as the "Sleeping Prophet" or "fraud".

A google search of "Sleeping Psychic Cayce" returns 704,000 hits so I think he was also well known as the Sleeping Psychic. "Sleeping Prophet Cayce" returns 102,000.

Again they are all labels put on him, whether he himself put them there or not.
 
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I'm wondering where his criminal conviction fits into that ?

:D

I don't consider those criminal charges of the kind Sylvia Browne had against her, involving securities fraud, though.

He was found not guilty for the fortune-telling charge against him in New York. That case involved an under-cover cop who pretended to be a client, but it was found that he had not solicited her as a client, nor had he charged her, except for a membership to the ARE.

Apparently he was also arrested in Detroit for practicing medicine without a license. I don't know the details of that, but it's obvious how those types of charges could come up considering what he purported to do, even for someone who was completely sincere.
 
He was convicted and gained a criminal record, really you should know that, I'm wondering how you missed it
:boggled:

In Detroit? Do you have the details of that one? BTW I didn't miss it, I just don't know the details of it. :)
 
1935 - At age 58, Edgar, Gertrude, Hugh Lynn, and Gladys are arrested in Detroit for practicing medicine without a license. Of the group, only Edgar is convicted, and he is released on probation.
from the Cayce Clinic website
http://edgarcayceclinicaz.com/chrono.html
Cayce's conviction relied on the fact that he was directly profiting from passing himself of as a doctor, (whereas Hugh Lynn and Gladys weren't) he later remedied this by only giving health readings to members of his organisation the A.R.E.
of course to join the A.R.E. cost money and the A.R.E. then paid Cayce's wages thus exploiting a nice legal loophole
;)
 
from the Cayce Clinic website
http://edgarcayceclinicaz.com/chrono.html
Cayce's conviction relied on the fact that he was directly profiting from passing himself of as a doctor, (whereas Hugh Lynn and Gladys weren't) he later remedied this by only giving health readings to members of his organisation the A.R.E.
of course to join the A.R.E. cost money and the A.R.E. then paid Cayce's wages thus exploiting a nice legal loophole
;)

OK, I found this in the biography by Sidney Kirkpatrick and I remembered it once I'd re-read it. Yes, he was arrested in Detroit, as I said, for practicing medicine without a license. They had already instigated the practice of only reading for people who were members of the A.R.E. prior to the first arrest in New York. This particular arrest came as a result of a parent who was angry at what Cayce was doing, apparently hadn't read the reading but filed charges on principle.

Not that I blame him.

But I still maintain that Cayce was sincere.

Well, on second thought, maybe I don't. One of the things that has made me question Cayce's sincerity in the past was when his trance source said it would be OK for him to have an affair with his secretary, Gladys. That made me think he had more conscious awareness of what he was saying than he was letting on.

I'd forgotten about that. OK, maybe I'm not 100% on the sincerity thing. Unless it was a momentary male hormonal lapse. ;)

Not that this has anything much to do with the OP.
 
OK, I found this in the biography by Sidney Kirkpatrick and I remembered it once I'd re-read it. Yes, he was arrested in Detroit, as I said, for practicing medicine without a license. They had already instigated the practice of only reading for people who were members of the A.R.E. prior to the first arrest in New York. This particular arrest came as a result of a parent who was angry at what Cayce was doing, apparently hadn't read the reading but filed charges on principle.

Not that I blame him.

But I still maintain that Cayce was sincere.

Well, on second thought, maybe I don't. One of the things that has made me question Cayce's sincerity in the past was when his trance source said it would be OK for him to have an affair with his secretary, Gladys. That made me think he had more conscious awareness of what he was saying than he was letting on.

I'd forgotten about that. OK, maybe I'm not 100% on the sincerity thing. Unless it was a momentary male hormonal lapse. ;)

Not that this has anything much to do with the OP.

I see no difference between Cayce and Sylvia Brown myself, they both made money out of gullible people and are still doing so today. Cayce for instance when speaking about historic subjects rattled off facts and figures in use during the theosophist movement, he claims never to have read any books on the subject yet worked as a book seller during the heydeys of the theosophist movement and sold theosophist books.
something rotten there
add to that his completeky disproven baloney about places like stonehenge (built by a lost tribe of isaraelites, fresh from the exodus in 1500bce) and Giza (built by Hermes the Atlantean around 10,500bce)
theres so many things wrong with his claims and the only people adjudicating them are the believers who of course claim a phenomenal success rate, yet won't release any credible support for their claims.
 
from the Cayce Clinic website
http://edgarcayceclinicaz.com/chrono.html
Cayce's conviction relied on the fact that he was directly profiting from passing himself of as a doctor, (whereas Hugh Lynn and Gladys weren't) he later remedied this by only giving health readings to members of his organisation the A.R.E.
of course to join the A.R.E. cost money and the A.R.E. then paid Cayce's wages thus exploiting a nice legal loophole
;)
What actually happened in this case, as you would know if you had read Sidney Kirkpatrick's very thorough 2000 Cayce biography, Edgar Cayce: An American Prophet, is that Cayce gave a health reading for the daughter of an A.R.E. member, but her doctor disagreed with it. The doctor then went to the police, and Cayce, his wife Gertrude, his son Hugh Lynn, and his secretary Gladys were all arrested and charged with practicing medicine without a license. In a plea bargain, Cayce pleaded guilty and was placed on probation, and charges against the other three were dropped.

There is no evidence that Cayce ever passed himself off as a doctor, and your implication that Cayce made lots of money by giving health readings is completely divorced from reality. If Cayce had a good business manager, he likely would have made lots of money, but Cayce was conflicted about using his readings as a money-making proposition, and never became financially comfortable.
 
theres so many things wrong with his claims and the only people adjudicating them are the believers who of course claim a phenomenal success rate, yet won't release any credible support for their claims.
On the contrary, many people like you, Robert Carroll, Martin Gardner, Barry Beyerstein, and Randi have attempted to adjudicate Cayce's claims, but invariably stumble over the facts. There's all kinds of credible support for those claims -- again, I recommend Kirkpatrick's book.
 
But I still maintain that Cayce was sincere.

Well, on second thought, maybe I don't. One of the things that has made me question Cayce's sincerity in the past was when his trance source said it would be OK for him to have an affair with his secretary, Gladys. That made me think he had more conscious awareness of what he was saying than he was letting on.

I'd forgotten about that. OK, maybe I'm not 100% on the sincerity thing. Unless it was a momentary male hormonal lapse. ;)
According to Kirkpatrick's book (p. 310): "Edgar and Gladys make a conscious decision to abstain from any carnal experiences. This was corroborated by a medical examination performed on Gladys shortly after Edgar's death, when Gladys was about to undergo treatment for uterine cancer. Her personal physician's report indicated that Gladys Davis, at age fifty-five, was still a virgin."
 
What actually happened in this case, as you would know if you had read Sidney Kirkpatrick's very thorough 2000 Cayce biography, Edgar Cayce: An American Prophet, is that Cayce gave a health reading for the daughter of an A.R.E. member, but her doctor disagreed with it. The doctor then went to the police, and Cayce, his wife Gertrude, his son Hugh Lynn, and his secretary Gladys were all arrested and charged with practicing medicine without a license. In a plea bargain, Cayce pleaded guilty and was placed on probation, and charges against the other three were dropped.

There is no evidence that Cayce ever passed himself off as a doctor, and your implication that Cayce made lots of money by giving health readings is completely divorced from reality. If Cayce had a good business manager, he likely would have made lots of money, but Cayce was conflicted about using his readings as a money-making proposition, and never became financially comfortable.

so you believe in Atlantis then ?
:D
 
According to Kirkpatrick's book (p. 310): "Edgar and Gladys make a conscious decision to abstain from any carnal experiences. This was corroborated by a medical examination performed on Gladys shortly after Edgar's death, when Gladys was about to undergo treatment for uterine cancer. Her personal physician's report indicated that Gladys Davis, at age fifty-five, was still a virgin."

I know. I read that part. But:

"The Source went as far as to suggest that a physical union, if handled discreetly, would not be inappropriate if they so desired, and would enhance their 'unity.'" :rolleyes:

Kilpatrick, p. 310
 
I know. I read that part. But:

"The Source went as far as to suggest that a physical union, if handled discreetly, would not be inappropriate if they so desired, and would enhance their 'unity.'" :rolleyes:

Kilpatrick, p. 310

so he used a different orifice then ?
or he wasn't very gifted

:D
 
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I know. I read that part. But:

"The Source went as far as to suggest that a physical union, if handled discreetly, would not be inappropriate if they so desired, and would enhance their 'unity.'" :rolleyes:

Kilpatrick, p. 310
In post#12, you stated: "One of the things that has made me question Cayce's sincerity in the past was when his trance source said it would be OK for him to have an affair with his secretary, Gladys. That made me think he had more conscious awareness of what he was saying than he was letting on."

So, why, if Cayce was influencing his trance source to say that an affair would be okay, did he not follow through on it?
 

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