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Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

Tony Szamboti said:
Bill, what it seems we have here are a bunch of individuals who will apparently say anything to continue to support the present official story, in spite of evidence showing the fires weren't fought intentionally and that the whole scenario with WTC 7 was a rig job and made to happen.

Most of the official story supporters I have encountered here at JREF have all the symptoms of Ryan Mackey's Irreducible Delusion.
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Don't forget, collect our pay check. After all JREF is the front lines in the war to suppress the "truth".:D
 
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Edx said:
Some of them do say all floors to be fair, but then Bill thinks everyone is lying.
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Well any atentive reader will know that you are lyng in your teeth.

"When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories"
 
bill smith said:
Don't convince me Edx- convince the readers.
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Who the hell are you talking about?! You seriously sound like a mental patient.

They woold like to see the proof of all these interviews many hundreds of direman have given over an 8 year period. Did you find an interview aith the pop-pop-pop fireman ? I'd sure like to talk to him for a little while. I'm sure many people would.
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So you think the pop pop pop guy wasnt lying... but is lying by not coming forward and telling everyone about it, or Building 7.

Everyone of them is in on it, all of them are lying. But some of them are telling the truth about WTC1+2 but lying about 7. wooooooo how does that make sense to you....

And even if he was interviewed (I would like to know if he was as well) you would just say that he is too scared to tell the truth if he didnt say what you wanted him to say. Wouldnt you? He's apparently too scared to come forward all these years why would he admit it all if he was interviewed?

I am not interested in smoke. neither were the firemen. They only spoke of fire. They never mentioned smoke.
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:jaw-dropp

That.Is.Hilarious.

<insert laughing dog here>

Where do you think smoke comes from?
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
Distant hydrants would not have been affected and the city of New York had several fireboats. Firefighters routinely run lines from distances when necessary.

Sorry but the water mains in the area were broken by the tower collapses excuse doesn't hack it.
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You see Tony, the problem was when the first tower collapsed, it took out alot of trucks, same with the second. Now, where do you think all of our hose is stored?? Yepo, on the trucks.

Secondly, we had a bunch of hoses stretched out when the towers collapsed. Now, I don't know about your knowledge of physics, but when 1000 pound beams and parts of buildings hit a firehose, they typically don't work too well after that. Either from being pinched, or from being severed.

Now, last lesson of the day. Where do you think the water comes from that comes out of the hydrants?? hint: Not a unicorn.

When you have a lack of hoses, and a lack of trucks, and a lack of water, how else do you think we would be able to put water on the fire?? We don't use buckets anymore.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
You are simply arguing from incredulity and thus have no business calling anything laughable.
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I am not arguing anything. You are making the proposition that WTC7 was intentionally demolished on 9/11 through controlled demolition, for the purpose of eliminating documents concerning the Enron Scandal.

This is a freaking ridiculous, and yes LAUGHABLE proposition, so I am making fun of it by suggesting that if what you suggest is true, then we should look for other demolitions when ever a scandal like Enron breaks.

TAM:)
 
bill smith said:
Well any atentive reader will know that you are lyng in your teeth.

"When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories"
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And since I'm a certified firefighter Bill, I say that you're full of ****!

He's not lying, the FDNY isn't lying! You have no reading comprehention!

This is what fully involved fires look like Bill:
 

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triforcharity said:
You see Tony, the problem was when the first tower collapsed, it took out alot of trucks, same with the second. Now, where do you think all of our hose is stored?? Yepo, on the trucks.

Secondly, we had a bunch of hoses stretched out when the towers collapsed. Now, I don't know about your knowledge of physics, but when 1000 pound beams and parts of buildings hit a firehose, they typically don't work too well after that. Either from being pinched, or from being severed.

Now, last lesson of the day. Where do you think the water comes from that comes out of the hydrants?? hint: Not a unicorn.

When you have a lack of hoses, and a lack of trucks, and a lack of water, how else do you think we would be able to put water on the fire?? We don't use buckets anymore.
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NYC is a big place. How much of the total FDNY equipment was destroyed by the tower collapses?
 
Tony Szamboti said:
Bill, what it seems we have here are a bunch of individuals who will apparently say anything to continue to support the present official story, in spite of evidence showing the fires weren't fought intentionally and that the whole scenario with WTC 7 was a rig job and made to happen.

Most of the official story supporters I have encountered here at JREF have all the symptoms of Ryan Mackey's Irreducible Delusion. They simply cannot contemplate, under any circumstances, that the three building collapses were finally a result of anything but fires.
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Will not is more like it Tony. Don't be fooled- some of these are not stupid guys ad they know the score exactly as we do. EG 9/11 was an inside job. It's still a job of another kind for them in my opinion.

The others are what I call 'Mackeyites'. Where would any cult leader be without his followers.
 
T.A.M. said:
I am not arguing anything. You are making the proposition that WTC7 was intentionally demolished on 9/11 through controlled demolition, for the purpose of eliminating documents concerning the Enron Scandal.

This is a freaking ridiculous, and yes LAUGHABLE proposition, so I am making fun of it by suggesting that if what you suggest is true, then we should look for other demolitions when ever a scandal like Enron breaks.

TAM:)
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So I would imagine you probably think it is ridiculous to say Enron had a big hand in the California electrical energy crisis fraud of early 2001.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
So I would imagine you probably think it is ridiculous to say Enron had a big hand in the California electrical energy crisis fraud of early 2001.
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Did I say that. I have not even looked into the minutia, or the arguments over the scandal. That is not the point and you know it. Why the diversion?

Come on you are an engineer for christ's sake, you have to have half a brain in that skull of yours...

REALLY, destroy a 47 storey building to get rid of documents???? I don't care if they had 30 tonnes of the stuff...destroy the building?

Is this the best reason the TM can come up with for the alleged destruction of WTC7?

TAM:)
 
bill smith said:
Will not is more like it Tony. Don't be fooled- some of these are not stupid guys ad they know the score exactly as we do. EG 9/11 was an inside job. It's still a job of another kind for them in my opinion.

The others are what I call 'Mackeyites'. Where would any cult leader be without his followers.
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Billy, in over 8 years NONE of you Truthers have any evidence that 9/11's an "inside job".

In those 8 yrs all you guys do is bitch, moan, complain, fight with people, call them names when you're trapped like a rat in a sinking ship, twist quotes around, add in words to sentences or quotes, edit explosive sounds to original documented videos, ect.
 
Holy crap.

I go off to the range for four hours, and come back to four pages of Tony arguing that FDNY was in on the plot, in which they exchange a few hundred of their own lives to let Enron off the hook (which didn't even happen).

Let me just say, without naming names, that it is getting increasingly difficult to find a Truther that isn't a broad-spectrum lunatic.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
NYC is a big place. How much of the total FDNY equipment was destroyed by the tower collapses?
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What firemen are we going to send into a building that is about to collapse and has no elevators carrying hand hoses to fight one of the largest office fires that ever happened?
 
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