Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

[Edx]

Well Edx,,,,it's what the outside readers think that counts really. I think I know what they are picking up from you. That's a good thing in my opinion..

So you explain to me why the firefighters are too scared to tell the truth about WTC7 yet have no problem saying they heard explosions with WTC1 and 2.

Please do tell me how that makes sense to you.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

This building in the clip with fires far far larger than anything seen in WTC7 had a water supply for the FDNY. In fact though the building had very light steel being only 8 floors or so it did not fall down at all. Compare this to the massive heavy-duty WTC7 with a few small fires. There is ZERO to compare. Yet WTC7 fell like a Victorian Heroine swooning. No way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41OCQvu7ULQ

You forget Billy, the WTC7 design was different. No concrete encased steel!

 

[DGM]

Well Edx,,,,it's what the outside readers think that counts really. I think I know what they are picking up from you. That's a good thing in my opinion..

Proving one more time your reading comprehension is as good as your writing skills.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Well, Tony.

Why don't you write up the plan to do that.

Be sure to list all the equipment necessary, figure out where it is, make sure you send teams out to check the water pressure at 1, 2, 5 & 10 miles away. Because you don't want to do all that work & have squat to show for it.

[I did hear a story about a woman who couldn't fill her swimming pool miles away because of the low pressure. But that's just apocryphal. You can't afford to use guess work.]

Oh, yeah. We need that plan NOW, Tony. Right the f'k NOW! Because these buildings are falling down around us. There are thousands of people dead and injured. And a significant percentage of your fire department is dead. And all the rest of them are exhausted.

But, you get working on that plan, Tony.

And come back & tell us why YOU weren't able to bring in enough water to save the day.

You're really starting to piss me off.

Have you ever worked in the field? Have you ever had to make due without the right equipment, without the right tools, without the manpower you needed? With no time & no room for error?

Have you ever had to make a decision as to what or (God forbid) who you could save & what or who you could not?

Have you ever had some two-bit PUNK come along afterward and, from the snuggly warmth of abject ignorance, start to lecture you on what you did wrong?? What you SHOULD have done. And what HE would have done. (If he'd ever gotten his lard ass out from in front of a TV and done something useful with his life.)

Have you ever had to resist the urge to reach across a table & squeeze the two-bit punk's head like a zit, Tony?

This really is a despicable line of conversation for you. You may want to go back & re-think it.

And if you still think that it's appropriate, I suggest that you bring it where it'll do some real good: a firefighter's bar in the Bronx.

Let me know how that goes, OK?

Tom

I'd also like Tony to specifiy which underground isolation valves he'd have to have shut on the NY City water grid in order to insure that there was sufficient supply to hydrants many miles away.

After all, if large underground mains were collapsed in a crossfed grid system, the pressure and flow would drop everywhere in the area until the breaks were isolated.

 

[bill smith]

Even if you didnt quote mine those firemen about WTC1+2... we are talking about BUILDING 7.

But thanks for pointing out your contradiction, firemen talk about explosion sounds with WTC1+2, but they are lying when they dont talk about WTC7?

So they are lying about one but not the other? Yeeaaa ok Bill....

Here's a bunch of FDNY reports, Do you believe them ? if you cannot show what they say they are seeing and reporting here I submit that what they are saying is not true. So prove to me here and now that they are not lying. If you cannot show that I think that we can safely say that they were LYING.

' "The building was fully involved in fire." – Photographer Steve Spak

"I had a clear view down Washington Street of Building Seven, which was on the north edge of the site. All forty-seven stories were on fire. It was wild" - Ground Zero Superintendant Charlie Vitchers

"We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors"
–FDNY Lieutenant Robert LaRocca

"Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down" –FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn

"I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke" - FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti

"When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories"
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers ''

 

[Edx]

Here's a bunch of FDNY reports, Do you believe them ? if you cannot show what they say they are seeing and reporting here I submit that what they are saying is not true. So prove to me here and now that they are not lying. If you cannot show that I think that we can safeely say that they were LYING.

All the FDNY firefighters are lying, I get it, that is what you think.

Just stop denying it!

You also havent explained why they would lie about WTC7 but tell the truth with WTC1+2, care to try?


ps: we have video of massive amounts of smoke pouring out of every floor of WTC7. Why do truthers not show those videos but show only a picture taken far away from the North side?

 

[bill smith]

All the FDNY firefighters are lying, I get it, that is what you think.

So stop denying it!


ps: we have video of massive amounts of smoke pouring out of every floor of WTC7. Why do truthers not show those videos but show only a picture taken far away from the North side?

Jeez are yu going to keep saying that we say that all the FDNY were involved in 9/11 . Pretty sad readers, eh ? Are you picking anything up from Edx ? Is he throbbing with guilt ? lol

You have signally failed to provide proof that the building was fully involved in fire as reprted by a lot of fireman. herefore they are lying. This is not up for discussion. No photos- no fire on all 47 floors.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

I'd also like Tony to specifiy which underground isolation valves he'd have to have shut on the NY City water grid in order to insure that there was sufficient supply to hydrants many miles away.

After all, if large underground mains were collapsed in a crossfed grid system, the pressure and flow would drop everywhere in the area until the breaks were isolated.

It wouldn't be hard to know the approximate location of the breaks so how long would it take for the Water Dept. to shut down water to the WTC area?

 

[BigAl]

So tell me why the public we have seen so litle of the firemen ?

Don't live in NYC, do you?

 

[Edx]

Jeez are yu going to keep saying that we say that all the FDNY were involved in 9/11 . Pretty sad readers, eh ? Are you picking anything up from Edx ? Is he throbbing with guilt ? lol

Good lord, why cant you see this?

Firefighters that have commented on Building 7 had no problem with the idea that it would collapse.

Firefighters that have not commented on Building 7 or have not been interviewed have not come forward all these years later.

The first group you say are lying and the second bunch are lying by ommission.

That means all the firefighters are in on the coverup.

You have signally failed to provide proof that the building was fully involved in fire as reprted by a lot of fireman. herefore they are lying. This is not up for discussion. No photos- no fire on all 47 floors.

And you have not explained why firefighters would lie about WTC7 yet not lie about WTC1+2.

You have not explained why the videos show massive amounts of smoke coming out of every floor of the WTC7, if thats not coming from the fires.

 

[DGM]

Jeez are yu going to keep saying that we say that all the FDNY were involved in 9/11 . Pretty sad readers, eh ? Are you picking anything up from Edx ? Is he throbbing with guilt ? lol

You have signally failed to provide proof that the building was fully involved in fire as reprted by a lot of fireman. herefore they are lying. This is not up for discussion. No photos- no fire on all 47 floors.

Bill, What readers are picking up is, your illiterate. Try reading your posts and for once use spell check.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Jeez are yu going to keep saying that we say that all the FDNY were involved in 9/11 . Pretty sad readers, eh ? Are you picking anything up from Edx ? Is he throbbing with guilt ? lol

You have signally failed to provide proof that the building was fully involved in fire as reprted by a lot of fireman. herefore they are lying. This is not up for discussion. No photos- no fire on all 47 floors.

Billy,

I hate to break it to you but WTC7 was brought down by fire. Where there's smoke there's fire!

Is that too hard for you to comprehend?

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires

Just because people say it was "fully involved" doesn't mean that all 47 floors were involved.

When a firefighter says that there's a fully involved fire, that suckers rippin' & roarin'.

Since you're not a firefighter, you will never understand.

 

[BigAl]

There is a reason they make pumper trucks.

Much of the equipment was destroyed in the collapse of WTC1 and 2.

I have no reason to believe that the riser pipes system in WTC7 was capable of carrying enough water to fight fires on all floors at once. Building codes plan on fire being contained on one floor with sprinklers and fireproofing preventing it from spreading.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Jeez are yu going to keep saying that we say that all the FDNY were involved in 9/11 . Pretty sad readers, eh ? Are you picking anything up from Edx ? Is he throbbing with guilt ? lol

You have signally failed to provide proof that the building was fully involved in fire as reprted by a lot of fireman. herefore they are lying. This is not up for discussion. No photos- no fire on all 47 floors.

Bill, what it seems we have here are a bunch of individuals who will apparently say anything to continue to support the present official story, in spite of evidence showing the fires weren't fought intentionally and that the whole scenario with WTC 7 was a rig job and made to happen.

Most of the official story supporters I have encountered here at JREF have all the symptoms of Ryan Mackey's Irreducible Delusion. They simply cannot contemplate, under any circumstances, that the three building collapses were finally a result of anything but fires.

It is interesting how much attention was drawn to this thread when it was brought up that the fires in WTC 7 could have easily been fought with available equipment and the firefighting contingency design of the building.

 

[Edx]

Just because people say it was "fully involved" doesn't mean that all 47 floors were involved.

When a firefighter says that there's a fully involved fire, that suckers rippin' & roarin'.

Since you're not a firefighter, you will never understand.

Some of them do say all floors to be fair, but then Bill thinks everyone is lying.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Much of the equipment was destroyed in the collapse of WTC1 and 2.

I have no reason to believe that the riser pipes system in WTC7 was capable of carrying enough water to fight fires on all floors at once. Building codes plan on fire being contained on one floor with sprinklers and fireproofing preventing it from spreading.

You are merely making unsupported assertions here. Where are the details?

 

[bill smith]

Good lord, why cant you see this?

Firefighters that have commented on Building 7 had no problem with the idea that it would collapse.

Firefighters that have not or have no been interviewed have not come forward.

The first group you say are lying and the second bunch are lying by ommission.

That means all the firefighters are in on the coverup.



And you have not explained why firefighters would lie about WTC7 yet not lie about WTC1+2.

You have not explained why the videos show massive amounts of smoke coming out of every floor of the WTC7.

Don't convince me Edx- convince the readers. They woold like to see the proof of all these interviews many hundreds of direman have given over an 8 year period. Did you find an interview aith the pop-pop-pop fireman ? I'd sure like to talk to him for a little while. I'm sure many people would.

I am not interested in smoke. neither were the firemen. They only spoke of fire. They never mentioned smoke.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Bill, apparently what we have here are a bunch of rabid NIST report supporters who will do anything to continue to support the present official story, in spite of evidence showing the fires weren't fought intentionally and that the whole scenario with WTC 7 was a rig job and made to happen.

Most of the official story supporters I have encountered here at JREF have all the symptoms of Ryan Mackey's Irreducible Delusion or worse.

Tony,

You're not a Controlled Demolitions expert or a firefighter. You have no credentials for both.

So what you have to say is complete hearsay.

If you have any delusions that I'm B. Blanchard, you're still wrong!

Some of them do say all floors to be fair, but then Bill thinks everyone is lying.

I agree 100% with ya Ed!

 

[DGM]

Much of the equipment was destroyed in the collapse of WTC1 and 2.

I have no reason to believe that the riser pipes system in WTC7 was capable of carrying enough water to fight fires on all floors at once. Building codes plan on fire being contained on one floor with sprinklers and fireproofing preventing it from spreading.

Not to mention the fact it would all have to be done by hand. If you look at the pictures of the site (that's huge by the way) your not going to be able to drive fire trucks though dragging hose.

 

[BigAl]

Don't convince me Edx- convince the readers. They woold like to see the proof of all these interviews many hundreds of direman have given over an 8 year period. Did you find an interview aith the pop-pop-pop fireman ? I'd sure like to talk to him for a little while. I'm sure many people would.

Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

He doesn't think it was man-made demolition.