twinstead
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Indeed. This thread belongs in the conspiracy theory proper sub-forum, or even in the politics sub-forum. It is, after all, all about world view.
Isn't it, algebra?
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Indeed. This thread belongs in the conspiracy theory proper sub-forum, or even in the politics sub-forum. It is, after all, all about world view.
Isn't it, algebra?
Who had the most influence? That defines predominately. Come to terms with it already. They had an agenda. They shoved it down our throats. We are all still choking on it. You just don't want to admit it. And where are you from again? Yeah right.
Their entire misguided mission statement was implemented right after 9/11. Just like a dream come true. It's just another coincidence for debunkers to swallow.
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You don't understand the document at all, do you? Their concern was having the technology to be prepared for a foreign attack, not the hijacking of planes to be used as missiles.
Bull. Their agenda was war period. A war not for the sake of the US and it's people.
Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"
What a bunch of nonsense that Bill Clinton turned down. And rightfully so. But their little stooge once put in place went right for it didn't he?
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Read it all again, and with comprehension. It says nothing like that. It was a keeping up with technology document in an event of a attack, nothing more.
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OH twoof. Nice try.
1. When you say predominately you mean a lot of them. There were 2. That isn't predominately anything besides for a craptacular fail. That makes it misleading doesn't it?
2. To then say that MOST of those PNAC members (the 2 of them) are also part of something else is also misleading isn't it?
3. You cannot prove they had an agenda. They developed an agenda to USE the events which happened on 9/11 to further their political ends. Not prior. There is NO proof of it.
4. I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT if there was proof that 9/11 was a LIHOP or MIHOP. I would dance in the streets if the evidence was there. Unfortunately it isn't.
5. Ah yes... your ignorance is showing. I work and live in the UAE twoof, but I am an American Citizen born and bred. So that little backhanded bs comment doesn't work either.
but I guess that was the play on the arabs are tooooo dumb to have pulled of 9/11 racism. Or is it the "Dubai and the UAE" were in on it paranoia? Which is rather funny because 2 of the terrorists were from the UAE (RAK in fact, I have met both families they are rather nice)
TruthersLie
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So then you haven't actually read the New Pearl Harbor document.
why am I not suprised?
You might just want to go and READ FOR COMPREHENSION. (my wife runs a great online reading comprehension course, PM me and I'll give you the contact information... of course it is for ESL speakers, but given your reading abilities, I'm sure you can catch up with them rather quickly.)
Oh I've read the whole thiing. That's why you are having trouble trying to spin it to me. It ain't gonna happen. BTW trutherslie, what time is it where you are? Very dedicated aren't you?
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I'm back BABY! YEAH!
Algebra34 doesn't even know why America was founded on.
The British had 2 wars on our soil, Japan made war with us along with Germany in WWII.
And he has the balls to say that we're a "warmongering" Nation?
Hello Algebra34, the terrorist bombed us to make war with us!
Algebra34 doesn't even know why America was founded on.
The British had 2 wars on our soil, Japan made war with us along with Germany in WWII.
And he has the balls to say that we're a "warmongering" Nation?
Hello Algebra34, the terrorist bombed us to make war with us!
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Baby... it is the weekend after Eid. It is now... oh 3:30 am. I'm on my 7th grink and relaxing. I don't have to go anywhere tomorrow so I can sleep in (which I will do).
The funniest part is that even drunk, I am still kciking your ass...
PNAC. Tell me what they were talking about. Don't use the datamined quotes. Feel free. What are they talking about?
ETA: If you ahve read it then youwon't take these ******** quotes and datamine them
What were they talking about? What process of transformation? Come on, back it up baby. I know what they were talking about, yo don't seem to. Datamine much HI?
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They are talking about starting a war. Maybe you shouldn't drink so much "baby"? and then you would understand it. Keep kciking? my ass. lol
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Then maybe you should have someone read it to you and explain what the words say. Obviously you don't understand what you claimed to have read.
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Because conspiracy theorists need the alleged conspirators to be dumber than the theorists themselves.
twinstead
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See there you go. This is your interpretation, and I don't buy it. You are reading into the PNAC exactly what you want to hear. It's called being an ideologue. There are entire threads on this forum what were dedicated to PNAC, the damn thing has been dissected to death.
It doesn't mean what you think it means, and frankly, I could care less if you disagree; you're just another guy on the internet who thinks he has it all figured out.
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Yep,you haven't read it.Give me a brief outline of what they wanted to happen to the JSF program and C-17 procurement.
This will be my only response other than to say that TAM's argument about making the hijackers Iraqis is irrelevant considering the Bush Administration fooled the country into thinking Iraq was involved with the special interest media at their disposal (I covered that in Fact #12). You don't remember all of those polls that showed how many people thought Iraq was involved with 9/11, and even some polls where people actually thought the hijackers were Iraqi?
You have a great name TruthersLie.
From SourceWatch...
* Elliot Abrams is a senior member of the National Security Council, who pled guilty to the charge of lying to Congress in the Iran/Contra scandal. He is an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles.
* Kenneth Adelman is a member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. He is not an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles, but has signed one of its position papers sent as a letter to president George W. Bush in 2002.
* Richard V. Allen is a member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board and the National Security Advisory Group.
* John R. Bolton, currently Bush's nominee as ambassador to the United Nations, served as Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security Affairs. He is not an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles, but has signed at least five PNAC position papers sent as letters to presidents and members of congress advocating military aggression abroad.
* Stephen Cambone is Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.
* Dick Cheney is Vice President and an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles.
* Seth Cropsey is Director of the International Broadcasting Bureau.
* Devon Gaffney Cross is a member of the Defense Policy Board and Donors Forum on International Affairs.
* Paula Dobriansky is Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs.
* Aaron Friedberg is the Vice President's Deputy National Security Advisor and the Vice President's Director of Policy Planning.
* Francis Fukuyama is a member of the Cloning Panel, President's Council on Bioethics.
* Daniel Goure is a member of the 2001 DoD Transition Team.
* Fred C. Ikle is a member of the Defense Policy Board.
* Zalmay Khalilzad was appointed in December 2002 as the president's "special envoy and ambassador at large for free Iraqis." According to the White House announcement, Khalilzad would "serve as the focal point for contacts and coordination among free Iraqis for the U.S. government and for preparations for a post-Saddam Iraq." Khalilzad's qualifications include not only advocating Saddam's ouster since the 1980s, but also his proven prowess in orchestrating the installation of the Hamid Karzai regime in Afghanistan after being appointed special U.S. envoy to Afghanistan in December 2001. He is an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles.
* Jeane J. Kirkpatrick is the U.S. Representative to the United Nations Human Rights Commission.
* John F. Lehman is a member of the National Commission to Investigate Attacks on the U.S. (9-11 Commission).
* I. Lewis Scooter Libby is Chief of Staff and the Vice President's Assistant for National Security Affairs to Dick Cheney and an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles.
* Richard N. Perle became chairman of the 30-member Defense Policy Board in July 2001, which meets regularly with Rumsfeld. The board's meetings are classified and members are allowed access to top-secret intelligence reports. He resigned in early 2003 upon allegations that he was essentially profiting from insider trading with classified defense intelligence. Perle is not an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles, but has signed at least eight PNAC position papers sent as letters to presidents and members of congress advocating military aggression abroad.
* J. Danforth Quayle is a member of the Defense Policy Board.
* Peter W. Rodman is Asst. Defense Secretary for International Security Affairs.
* Henry S. Rowen is a member of the Defense Policy Board.
* Donald Rumsfeld is US Secretary of Defense and an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles in 1997.
* William Schneider, Jr. is Chairman of the Defense Science Board.
* Abram Shulsky is Director of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans.
* Chris Williams is a member of the Defense Policy Board and Deterrence Concepts Advisory Panel, as well as Special Assistant to Rumsfeld on Policy, 2001.
* Paul Dundes Wolfowitz is Deputy Secretary of Defense and an original signer of the PNAC statement of principles.
* R. James Woolsey, Jr. served as director of Central Intelligence for the CIA from 1993-95, and was ambassador to the negotiation on conventional armed forces in Europe from 1989-91. Woolsey went to Geneva as delegate at large to the U.S.-Soviet Strategic Arms Reduction Talks and Nuclear and Space Arms Talks from 1983-86. He was also Under Secretary of the Navy and advised the U.S. delegation to the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks. Woolsey, one of the most high-profile hawks in the war against Iraq and a key member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, is a director of the Washington-based private equity firm Paladin Capital. The company was set up three months after the terrorist attacks on New York and sees the events and aftermath of September 11, 2001 as a business opportunity which 'offer
* Dov S. Zakheim is DoD Comptroller.
* Robert Bruce Zoellick was appointed United States Trade Representative.
29 members or advisers of the Administration.
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Jon;
You should rename the whole thing "Speculations don't lie" because your post is not a list of facts. It is a list of remotely related topics combined with your innuendo and speculation.
A fact is a piece of data, evidence, or information that is INDISPUTABLY TRUE.
None of what you present in that list are FACTS unto themselves, at least so far as I read. Now you wanna rename it to what it is, then perhaps it is all worthy some discussion...
As for your rebuttal to my comment on the hijackers...why would you go through all of the hassle of having to make up a case linking the hijackings to Iraq, when all they had to do was have a couple of the hijackers be Iraqi, and have them have ties to Hussein...much more convincing, much more damning, and would have allowed them to go into Iraq right away, which as you say, is what they wanted from the get go...sorry, the theory just doesn't hold water.
TAM
You should rename the whole thing "Speculations don't lie" because your post is not a list of facts. It is a list of remotely related topics combined with your innuendo and speculation.
A fact is a piece of data, evidence, or information that is INDISPUTABLY TRUE.
None of what you present in that list are FACTS unto themselves, at least so far as I read. Now you wanna rename it to what it is, then perhaps it is all worthy some discussion...
As for your rebuttal to my comment on the hijackers...why would you go through all of the hassle of having to make up a case linking the hijackings to Iraq, when all they had to do was have a couple of the hijackers be Iraqi, and have them have ties to Hussein...much more convincing, much more damning, and would have allowed them to go into Iraq right away, which as you say, is what they wanted from the get go...sorry, the theory just doesn't hold water.
TAM
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Haha. So... on top of a ridiculously convoluted scheme, They™ decided to make things even harder for themselves? That's one hell of an unnecessary risk, don't you think?
It's also hindsight talking.
You really do need these alleged conspirators to be dumber than you, don't you? You're trying very hard to attribute mental retardation to these people...