Danny Jowenko - Manipulated by 9/11 Deniers

[RedIbis]

Yes, you are correct. People do make mistakes. But, typically, people don't make mistakes that involve accusing the FDNY of killing ~3000 people, including 343 of their own.

And people don't typically forget about 4 years of service with the FDNY within two months time.

I'm starting to see a pattern here.

 

[Gaspode]

Keep the thread on-topic please.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Gaspode

 

[bardamu]

Spot the newbie truther who hasn't yet heard of the East mechanical penthouse.

Where's the evidence that in the 7 seconds following the collapse of the East mechanical penthouse all the interior columns were progressively failing?

Your usage of the words "primary" and "secondary" is deliberately misleading here. What is more important is whether certain penomena are necessarily observed in accompaniment to a controlled demolition. Since it is impossible to muffle the noise of demolition explosives by more than about 6dB, a loud noise in excess of 124dB must necessarily be heard when an explosive demolition takes place. If no noise is heard, no demolition has taken place. On the other hand, the nature of the drop of the roofline is determined by the sequence in which the main structural members fail, not by the means by which they fail. Therefore, we can exclude explosives by the first, and cannot prove them by the second.

Danny Jowenko: "You could even do this with cutting torches and cutter charges...if you had 30 or 40 men..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I

This is just drivel. You're claiming it must have been a controlled demolition because it looked too much like one to have been one. And, of course, like all 9/11 'truth', it's not true. The fall of the roofline consisted of a collapse of the East mechanical penthouse, a 4-6 second pause, then a V-shaped collapse starting from the middle and moving outwards. To describe it as perfect and symmetrical is, quite simply, a blatant lie.

Once the roofline had begun to move down, the collapse was uniform and symmetrical.

I don't know about you, but I can blink in rather less than six seconds. Has your opthalmologist been prosecuted?

Oh and I know this has beaten beaten down like a pulp but you did originally address this to me. I'd think it a bit rude not to answer. I don't think 18 seconds characterizes the "blink of an eyelid."

again you use words which do not mean what you think they do. "blink of an eyelid?" No. The collapse started when the eastern mechanical penthouse collapsed... then it 8 seconds pass and the rest of the structure collapses. that is not the "blink of an eyelid'

Try blinking about 7 seconds after the drop of the East mechanical penthouse. Before the blink, 80 columns are standing firm. After the blink, the same 80 columns have mysteriously lost all their strength.

Let me point out that I don't have to answer that, because my claim is that Jowenko is mistaken about WTC7 being demolished. You, on the other hand, now have to construct a plausible hypothesis in which WTC1 and WTC2 fell due to fire and impact damage, but WTC7 was demolished. If you can't so this, you have to admit Jowenko might be sometimes wrong and sometimes right. And therefore, since your only argument is Jowenko's infallibility, you no longer have a position.

So why don't you take it from there? Give me a plausible scenario.

You challenged me to go there and I accepted but you wouldn't follow me. My argument is obviously not Jowenko's infallibility, since he mistakenly believes the towers weren't demolished. My argument is Jowenko's prior knowledge of the official story at the time he was asked the question.

Anyway, I went there without you and here's what I found:

Controlled demolition of WTC 7 = Inside Job.

PROVE IT. PRovide a citation. As a "secondary feature" then you should be able to show DOZENS of if not HUNDREDS of Cd's around the world without loud detonations and flashes from the explosives going off. Provide a few. It should be easy.

(p.s. I worked in CD for a year... it doesn't happen except for the verinage technique, or when you pull a building over)

Why do I need dozens of examples? One example proves it's possible. Thanks for providing that example.

so we have wtc7 collapse and a single CD person (not the top Cd person in europe) says it looks like CD... but and I quote him "I'm just guessing here."

I'll quote him too: "I think this is obviously a building that has been imploded."

No, just as a deck of cards, take one card out, the whole pile fails. This is not a big conspiracy.

Column 79 failed, which transfered too much load onto the other core columns. Because it then became beyond their safe loading point, they failed too. Its not that hard to imagine.

Danny Jowenko's assessment is different: "They simply blew up columns and the rest caved in afterwards".

Saying that FDNY had to bring down 1&2, is accusing them of the murder of ~3000 people, including 343 of their own.

he clearly believes that the FDNY had some part in the demolition of WTC 1,2, and 7. this at the very least, implicates the top leadership of the FDNY..and perhaps also the NYPD.

disgusting.

Who told Giuliani the towers were going to collapse?

 

[T.A.M.]

NWO chief "The Godfather" told Guiliani of the collapse silly. Come on, isn't that obvious?

TAM

 

[Thunder]

Who told Giuliani the towers were going to collapse?

The Jews did. All clear now?

 

[BigAl]

Where's the evidence that in the 7 seconds following the collapse of the East mechanical penthouse all the interior columns were progressively failing?

http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1A.pdf

The description of what happened to the penthouse is on page 22, 26, 39, etc. Search the rest of the PDF for "penthouse" for yourself.

You are a troll.

Nobody that was an eyewitness to the collapse thinks it was anything but fire-induced.

Nobody with relevant expertise can explain in engineering terms why anything but fire and the lack of firefighting caused it to collapse.

Nobody.

 

[Crazytimes]

Why do truthers ignore the huge amount of damage that the collapsing penthouse would have done to the building ? You basically have part of the building ripping through to the ground floor.

 

[DGM]

http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1A.pdf

The description of what happened to the penthouse is on page 22, 26, 39, etc. Search the rest of the PDF for "penthouse" for yourself.

You are a troll.

Nobody that was an eyewitness to the collapse thinks it was anything but fire-induced.

Nobody with relevant expertise can explain in engineering terms why anything but fire and the lack of firefighting caused it to collapse.

Nobody.

They were all "duped or in on it". You know, the same people that also saw the "planes".

 

[triforcharity]

Where's the evidence that in the 7 seconds following the collapse of the East mechanical penthouse all the interior columns were progressively failing?

NIST Reports.

Danny Jowenko: "You could even do this with cutting torches and cutter charges...if you had 30 or 40 men..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I

Not harly, as FDNY would have seen them in the building, blasting away at columns, causing a shower of sparks all over the place.

So, No, he is wrong again.

Once the roofline had begun to move down, the collapse was uniform and symmetrical.

I asked you once before, I will ask you again.

Please, for the sake of comedy, if something comes down "uniform and symmetrical" how did this occur?

This was across the street from 7WTC, can you explain the roof please?

Thanks.


OH, one more thing!! How, if thats possible, did those guys get out??

Try blinking about 7 seconds after the drop of the East mechanical penthouse. Before the blink, 80 columns are standing firm. After the blink, the same 80 columns have mysteriously lost all their strength.

Is this like the clapity-clap bullcrap?? Argument from personal ignorance noted.

You challenged me to go there and I accepted but you wouldn't follow me. My argument is obviously not Jowenko's infallibility, since he mistakenly believes the towers weren't demolished. My argument is Jowenko's prior knowledge of the official story at the time he was asked the question.

Huh? He was wrong on 1&2, but right on 7?? Poppeycock.

Controlled demolition of WTC 7 = Inside Job.

Ok Mr. CSI,

Who?
What?
Where?
When?
Why?
How?

Please, bestow your knowledge on us, oh brilliant one.........

Why do I need dozens of examples? One example proves it's possible. Thanks for providing that example.

You have not provided any examples. Please do so.

I'll quote him too: "I think this is obviously a building that has been imploded."

And I will quote NIST.

http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1A.pdf

They disagree.

Danny Jowenko's assessment is different: "They simply blew up columns and the rest caved in afterwards".

How did they blow them up, if nobody around heard the boom? How did these windows survive?

Who told Giuliani the towers were going to collapse?

Did you forget that he was the Mayor?? Maybe, I dunno, the FIRE DEPARTMENT?? You're not very good at this game.

 

[Thunder]

hey..whats with all those dark skinned first-responders and national guardsmen?

is that FDNY guy, with his crotch promenantly focused, Barack Obama???

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Where's the evidence that in the 7 seconds following the collapse of the East mechanical penthouse all the interior columns were progressively failing?

You're demanding a call for perfection. If the interior structure is lost the exterior cannot support itself. The conclusion is satisfied by NIST's modeling and examining structural plans of the building, as well as realizing that the east mechanical penthouse collapse is part of the overall collapse

Try blinking about 7 seconds after the drop of the East mechanical penthouse. Before the blink, 80 columns are standing firm. After the blink, the same 80 columns have mysteriously lost all their strength.

The penthouse event is part of the collapse. It is not independent. It suggests that it took a significant internal collapse event for the exterior structure to lose all integrity.

Buildings are systems; they might survive the failure of a few components of that system, but eventually one more piece breaks and the remaining doesn't have enough reserve capacity to hold everything else up. I'm not sure what the mystery is that you're referring to.

Danny Jowenko: "You could even do this with cutting torches and cutter charges...if you had 30 or 40 men..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc

narrator: But it also happened on 9/11.

Danny Jowenko: The same day?

The same day? Are you Sure?

narrator: yes

Danny Jowenko: Are you sure that was the 11th? That can't be.

narrator: 7 hours after the WTC.

Danny Jowenko: Really? Then they worked hard.

 

[twinstead]

Danny Jowenko: Really? Then they worked hard.

Yea, that's the understatement of the year

 

[DGM]

Yea, that's the understatement of the year

Yeah and no one noticed them doing it either.

 

[bardamu]

I asked you once before, I will ask you again.

Please, for the sake of comedy, if something comes down "uniform and symmetrical" how did this occur?

This was across the street from 7WTC, can you explain the roof please?

I'm concerned with the sudden uniform and symmetrical drop of the roofline. Some steel could have bounced out of the footprint on the way down. It's not much damage anyway, considering the size of WTC 7.

You have not provided any examples. Please do so.

You provided one yourself. Verinage.

Did you forget that he was the Mayor?? Maybe, I dunno, the FIRE DEPARTMENT?? You're not very good at this game.

So the Fire Department top brass knew the towers were coming down and they ushered the mayor away to a safe place and left their own to perish inside the buildings. Nice.

Why do truthers ignore the huge amount of damage that the collapsing penthouse would have done to the building ? You basically have part of the building ripping through to the ground floor.

You're demanding a call for perfection. If the interior structure is lost the exterior cannot support itself. The conclusion is satisfied by NIST's modeling and examining structural plans of the building, as well as realizing that the east mechanical penthouse collapse is part of the overall collapse

The penthouse event is part of the collapse. It is not independent. It suggests that it took a significant internal collapse event for the exterior structure to lose all integrity.

Buildings are systems; they might survive the failure of a few components of that system, but eventually one more piece breaks and the remaining doesn't have enough reserve capacity to hold everything else up. I'm not sure what the mystery is that you're referring to.

Your explanation is vague. If all the interior columns had already failed at the time of the initiation of global collapse, what was supporting the West penthouse and the Screenwall?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc

narrator: But it also happened on 9/11.

Danny Jowenko: The same day?

The same day? Are you Sure?

narrator: yes

Danny Jowenko: Are you sure that was the 11th? That can't be.

narrator: 7 hours after the WTC.

Danny Jowenko: Really? Then they worked hard.

Danny Jowenko didn't understand the full extent of the conspiracy. He could only imagine it was an insurance scam that Silverstein had pulled on the spur of the moment to save money on repairs, so he had to force it into that framework.

When he first finds out it happened the same day, the look on his face is priceless.

 

[BigAl]

So the Fire Department top brass knew the towers were coming down and they ushered the mayor away to a safe place and left their own to perish inside the buildings. Nice.

Nobody died in the WTC7 collapse.

Everything you think you know about WTC appears to be wrong.

 

[DGM]

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When he first finds out it happened the same day, the look on his face is priceless.

So you don't think he believes it was a controlled demolition?

 

[twinstead]

bardamu have you stopped to wonder yet why so many people saw what you claim didn't exist?

 

[LashL]

I recall a similar argument being posted by AE911 which went something like this:

If WTC 7 failed from
a localized fire event, Inman asks, why didn’t the
owners and insurers sue the designers? “Either the
building design was criminally faulty, or other causes
not related to the structural design or fire” brought
down WTC 7, he says.

The answer is simple; the designers aren't liable. The building conformed to local codes at the time of its construction. They included the required passive and active fire protection systems and design measures as specified. If the trade center collapses didn't sever the water supplies that the sprinklers operated off of, and the fires not allowed to burn continually the building would have very likely survived. You're suggesting they should be punished for a series of events that could not have been anticipated? Amusing...

You're quite right that the designers were not liable but, for the record, Con Edison did sue the contractors, engineers and architects who designed 7WTC. Result: case dismissed on January 12, 2006.

 

[triforcharity]

I'm concerned with the sudden uniform and symmetrical drop of the roofline. Some steel could have bounced out of the footprint on the way down. It's not much damage anyway, considering the size of WTC 7.

You're effing kidding me right?? You're serious?? Aparently you do not realize how big that building is.

So, if it was so uniform and symmetrical, how did that occur? If all of the colums failed at the exact same time, or within milliseconds, as you have claimed, what made the building tilt?

Oh, btw, Fitterman Hall was torn down due to the mold that had infested the entire building from that gash.

You provided one yourself. Verinage.

Silent explosives?? I think not.

So the Fire Department top brass knew the towers were coming down and they ushered the mayor away to a safe place and left their own to perish inside the buildings. Nice.

No, after the first collapse, everyone was pulled out of the other tower.

There was nobody in WTC 7. Your ignorance is showing.

Your explanation is vague. If all the interior columns had already failed at the time of the initiation of global collapse, what was supporting the West penthouse and the Screenwall?

I think, if you will read the report from NIST, you will understand WHY the penthouse fell. The collapse (IIRC) was already underway at that point. That was the first exterrior signs of it.

Danny Jowenko didn't understand the full extent of the conspiracy. He could only imagine it was an insurance scam that Silverstein had pulled on the spur of the moment to save money on repairs, so he had to force it into that framework.

When he first finds out it happened the same day, the look on his face is priceless.

Holy Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

WTC7 threads are always somewhat amusing. Mostly for what they say about the ignorance and fanaticism of 9/11 twoofers.

Try walking into a room full of muslims and telling them that The Kabbah (the holiest shrine in Islam) is just a dirt clod that some scam artist picked up and started telling people it was touched by Mohammed and started charging admission. Good luck getting out of that room with your head still attached.

Now try talking to a room full of twoofers about the massive fires that were roaring throughout WTC7 (the holiest shrine in the truther-MIHOP cult), the severe physical damage, the firefighters who predicted it would come down, and you'll get almost the same hysterical fanatical reaction. Many of the twoofers will also threaten to kill you for it.

It's funny how easily the tinfoilers are driven into epileptic fits just from telling them the truth.