The VFF Test is On!

[volatile]

Still no word on whether or not you really can see "hydrogen as red" inside metal cylinders then?

*cough*

 

[desertgal]

<snip>I do skip a few posts if they are just rude...<snip>

Or if they ask valid questions.

Those calling me attention seeking and those calling me delusional are having a fight as to which it is.

No, they're not having a fight. You are both attention seeking and delusional. That's been pretty much agreed upon by most.

 

[Jonquill]

LightinDarkness said
"Anyways, I have decided that its best to practice what I preach and stop responding. "

Yeah, top notch idea.

 

[Lanzy]

IIRC you come third out of four - where the other three made no claim to extraordinary abilities. If that is your idea of doing very well, how would you have had to do in order to conclude that you had done very badly?

5th out of 4?

 

[Cuddles]

I don't understand the turn of this thread. How many other claimants, after failing a test, have renounced their claimed ability and left the dark side? Certainly not whatshername at TAM7. No dowser that I can remember. And so on.

So why all the vitriol about Anita?

Because Anita isn't quite the same as most other claimants. Generally you have to wait until after the test is failed before the excuses and accusations start coming out. Anita, on the other hand, has stated flat out that she will not pay any attention to the results of this test. If she fails, she still has magical x-ray vision, so there.

At the very least, let her take the test and give her reaction THEN get on your soapbox.

But that's the whole point. She's already given her reaction. A failure on this test does not show that she doesn't have x-ray vision. So there (yes, that's a direct quote of her scientific point of view). It's therefore perfectly reasonable for people to get on their soapboxes right now. In fact, Anita could pass all the tests, win millions of dollars and turn out to actually have magic powers, and we'd still be perfectly justified in criticising her right now, because her stated attitude at the moment is about as unscientific as it is possible to get. Even having her beliefs turn out to be completely true would not change the fact that her approach to testing them is utterly wrong and deserves all the criticism it gets. We don't have to wait until after the test to see that.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Still no word on whether or not you really can see "hydrogen as red" inside metal cylinders then?

I would have to test this before I could say whether my perception of hydrogen as red is just an expression of synesthesia or whether I could use this to detect unlabeled containers of hydrogen.

 

[volatile]

I would have to test this before I could say whether my perception of hydrogen as red is just an expression of synesthesia or whether I could use this to detect unlabeled containers of hydrogen.

After all this time, how can you still not know what synsesthsia is? How is that even possible?

 

[pakeha]

<snip> I've been eating raw uncooked oats, and ever since, I've had bit of a tummy ache. <snip>

Either raw or uncooked, VFF.
Anyway.
Doesn't this perception sound rather surprisingly like a description of the logo IIG has put up on their website for Saturday's demonstration?

Originally Posted by pakeha
Tonight's the FACT meeting and Saturday's the Demonstration. VFF is investing a lot of time in this, especially considering the workload of a double sciences major.

This time comes from my own spare time, not from time demanded by my studies. Surely even a double science major is able to take one evening off (for the FACT meeting) and one weekend (for the Preliminary), even though I usually study both evenings and weekends, all week, every week!

VFF has unfortunately widely mistaken my point.
I am most impressed by VFF's energy, but would hate to think the woman is undermining her health by over-doing her activities. I should have thought mistaking a townswoman dressed in period clothes as a ghost in Salem would have been a warning to her.
VFF has worked as a nurses' aide and knows well how over-work can affect judgement and decision-making. Whatever the results on Saturday, I most sincerely hope VFF will look after her most important gift, that of good health.
Do take care of yourself, VFF.

 

[pakeha]

<snip> And you were offered to assist in falsifying the migraine healing claim and it would have been very easy for you to do that, but you declined. <snip>

It has been explained repeatedly to VFF why these att. treatments lack any sort of capacity to verify or falsify this 'healing' claim, apart from being of a dubious legality.
Saturday is almost upon us and here's hoping the IIG's hard work will receive the appreciation I'm certain it deserves.

 

[SezMe]

But that's the whole point. She's already given her reaction. A failure on this test does not show that she doesn't have x-ray vision. So there (yes, that's a direct quote of her scientific point of view). It's therefore perfectly reasonable for people to get on their soapboxes right now. In fact, Anita could pass all the tests, win millions of dollars and turn out to actually have magic powers, and we'd still be perfectly justified in criticising her right now, because her stated attitude at the moment is about as unscientific as it is possible to get. Even having her beliefs turn out to be completely true would not change the fact that her approach to testing them is utterly wrong and deserves all the criticism it gets. We don't have to wait until after the test to see that.

You do have a point.

 

[Gmonster2]

Originally Posted by VisionFromFeeling
"I did very well with readings with FACT members"

You did so well that You couldn't wait to fax everyone the data to shut up the critics and prove the skeptics wrong?

You did so well that Dr Carlson when he posted here and and at stop vff said they had cleared the next FAct meeting schedule to immediately do retesting as they couldnt believe how well you had done?

You are the only one who think the guessing game went well.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

You may certainly predict that I would not acknowledge a failed result of the Preliminary, but you just don't know, so stop giving me the consequences of if I were to do so, until I have actually done so. Please.

Either raw or uncooked, VFF.

Both.

Doesn't this perception sound rather surprisingly like a description of the logo IIG has put up on their website for Saturday's demonstration?

No.

VFF has unfortunately widely mistaken my point.
I am most impressed by VFF's energy, but would hate to think the woman is undermining her health by over-doing her activities. I should have thought mistaking a townswoman dressed in period clothes as a ghost in Salem would have been a warning to her.

Heh heh. There was no townswoman dressed in period clothes that day! Or, did you think that you saw one, Hon?

VFF has worked as a nurses' aide and knows well how over-work can affect judgement and decision-making. Whatever the results on Saturday, I most sincerely hope VFF will look after her most important gift, that of good health.

Why on earth are you saying this? I will arrive early in the afternoon on Friday on the day before the test, and then leave on Sunday the day after the test. I will be resting before the Preliminary.

Do take care of yourself, VFF.

Sure. Thank you.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

You did so well that You couldn't wait to fax everyone the data to shut up the critics and prove the skeptics wrong?

I was just about to mail Jim Carr the copies, and then he did this: http://www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com/Discussion/tabid/294/aff/1/aft/149/afv/topic/Default.aspx

 

[Audible Click]

So what is your reason for not posting the raw data here?

 

[pakeha]

...Why on earth are you saying this? I will arrive early in the afternoon on Friday on the day before the test, and then leave on Sunday the day after the test. I will be resting before the Preliminary.

Excellent news, VFF, old girl.

I was just about to mail Jim Carr the copies, and then he did this: http://www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com/Discussion/tabid/294/aff/1/aft/149/afv/topic/Default.aspx

Perhaps scanning and posting on the Forum would have been a more adequate response, don't you think?
Do let us know how the FACT meeting went, VFF. By posting up your plans to attend, you've generated interest in the event and I hope the gases caused by eating raw and/or uncooked oats didn't prevent you from going.

Anyway, it's Thursday and two more days left til the Demonstration! I'm so grateful for the hard work IIG has put into this and hope watch more such demonstrations in the future.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

November FACT Meeting

(This post is highly relevant to the topic of this thread, being the IIG Preliminary, so I would ask that the Moderators please not move this post elsewhere.)

I've just returned from this month's meeting with the local FACT Skeptics group.

1) I had asked Dr. Carlson to let me practice perceiving that his left kidney was missing. I did so for about 5 minutes. Although I know the right answer, that he is missing the left kidney and has the right, this was still good for me to reassure to myself that I can claim to be perceiving the kidneys, and to be perceiving one being missing, so that I feel confident enough toward my performance on the actual Preliminary.

2) I did a "reading" with a new FACT member. She told me she is missing several organs. I only had the chance to get to her once the meeting had ended, and so did not have much time to do a full head-to-toe reading. Starting from the head and going down, I detected that the right ear would have a significantly reduced hearing, and the left ear have normal hearing. I wrote down my perceptions on paper and did not speak during the "reading", and she was sitting turned around so we had minimal contact. I had to conclude on the reading before I was finished. And she confirmed that it was true that she has reduced hearing in the right ear, in fact she listens only with her left ear.

3) Another FACT member said that he is seeing a doctor tomorrow and offered for me to try to identify what the problem was. I said that he needs to turn around so that we have minimal communication and clues. I was looking through everything and could not find any illness. He was joking about and asking me whether he has various organs (that we can not live without). In the same manner, he then said something which made it sound as if he was stating that he is missing a kidney. I was surprised, but proceeded to look into his back. So. He is missing a kidney, he just said so. I thought to myself, that this is just like it will be on the test, almost. And I now had to use "all my might" to detect whether it is the left kidney or the right kidney that is missing...

... I felt into his back, and the left kidney showed up first. At first, my logical side that always intervenes and only misleads me, says that well since Dr. Carlson was missing a left kidney, maybe it is standard procedure to always remove the left one for some reason, when one is removed, and if there is a choice. But my perception was that the left kidney was there, I was clearly feeling and seeing the organ and feeling all the blood in it. I thought, that this time I can not screw it up. No matter what happens, I have to record my perceptions, and not let logic get in the way. I made the mistake once before, of not writing down the perception of the kidney being missing. So I concluded for myself, that my perception is that the left kidney is definitely present. No doubt...

... So I proceeded to the right side. Usually one kidney shows up before the other, since they are not felt in the exact identical way. So, I thought to myself, since the left one surely was there, the right one is the one that is missing. And because I had felt the left one first, the left one was the one more obviously there. However... I felt the right kidney. This can't be true, I thought. He has a kidney missing! He had said so! I thought to myself, again, that last time when I had done the reading with Dr. Carlson, I had thought that misdiagnosing his number of kidneys would make me not entitled to have a test. And that had been the reason I didn't report the perception then. But this time, I thought, I simply must report my actual perception. This is not a test of my logical skills, it is a test of the perceptions, an independent entity other than logic. Besides, the IIG test was already scheduled, and surely it would not be cancelled if I were wrong...

... I checked again, and I was feeling and seeing the right kidney. So I told him, that although he said that he is missing a kidney, I perceive both kidneys clearly. I was not worried about being wrong. I thought, that this is simply an inquiry and I can not take the results personally, it is what it is. However... he then said that he has both kidneys.

So, even when logically fully believing that the man is missing a kidney, because he said so, my perception depicted both. And in the past case, fully believing logically that Dr. Carlson surely would have both kidneys, I [claim to have] correctly detected that the left one was missing.

This is reassuring me toward the Preliminary, and I can't wait to have the test. Because clearly there is something going on.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

So what is your reason for not posting the raw data here?

We don't have a scanner, and scanning costs a bit of money to do at school and would take a lot of time, since there are nearly 100 pages. I was typing them up, but then one of you Skeptics told me that typed up data is no good, so I stopped doing that.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

By posting up your plans to attend, you've generated interest in the event and I hope the gases caused by eating raw and/or uncooked oats didn't prevent you from going.

Well you are definitely not coming with a paranormal claim of medical perception! It was not gases causing the cramp (who gets gases from oats anyway), but dehydration! Oats soak up a whole lot of fluids, and I had been eating them without drinking anything to go with it.

Anyway, it's Thursday and two more days left til the Demonstration! I'm so grateful for the hard work IIG has put into this and hope watch more such demonstrations in the future.

Ahem. How about the hard work I have put into this also? Although IIG are fully worthy of all the praise we can get them. They're wonderful.

 

[Gmonster2]

so you detected that Dr Carlson hadn't had his kidney replaced? Nice work there.

The guy with two kidneys tried to trick you into thinking he had one kidney not two and u picked up (cold read) that he was joking yeah well done.

So what was the illness that he said he had to go to the Dr for?
Oh yeah u missed that.

And the lady had several missing organs and u picked up that hearing was reduced in one ear she didnt say reduced she said only uses the other ear for hearing so half a point for that..and missed the rest..

How did the other controls go did they beat u again?

Yeah theres something going on alright keep trying very impressive stuff

You'll find that as the controls on these sort of tests are tightened your super powers will be reduced to zero...your really not very skeptical at all are you?

 

[laca]

<snip irrelevant rambling>

This is reassuring me toward the Preliminary, and I can't wait to have the test. Because clearly there is something going on.

Yes, clearly.

Edited by LibraryLady: 

Edited for civility.