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Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

Tony Szamboti said:
It seems that in your mind you have it all figured out and know just what to look for when judging an oral debate. I'm impressed.

I think I have had enough dealings with clowns like you and some of the others on this forum for awhile.
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Tony, you don't seem to get it. The reality is that there is no sea of structural engineers and demolitions experts rising up in support of you. Your argument is not convincing to recognized authorities. Is this not true?

That being the case, you are speaking to people who can not construct your argument. The point raised was that you don't come across as credible to them, either.

So you're not convincing experts and you're not convincing spectators. It seems the only people left feeling your arguments are well-constructed already believe in FEMA death camps and H1N1 as bioweapons.

But then, maybe talking to yourself is not a problem.
 
Tony Szamboti: "I have read it. How can I mistake micron size for nanometer size."

From the Paper:

"The chips are typically small but readily discernible by eye due to
their distinctive color. They are of variable size with major
dimensions of roughly 0.2 to 3 mm. Thicknesses vary from
roughly 10 to 100 microns for each layer (red and gray)."
 
riptowtan said:
Tony Szamboti: "I have read it. How can I mistake micron size for nanometer size."

From the Paper:

"The chips are typically small but readily discernible by eye due to
their distinctive color. They are of variable size with major
dimensions of roughly 0.2 to 3 mm. Thicknesses vary from
roughly 10 to 100 microns for each layer (red and gray)."
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The nano-thermite thing fails once again.

Tony, could this be why there is no support for you rising up amoung the other washing machine engineers? Let me help you out here, Tony. Nano-thermite might be OK to convince kids in those high school 911 Truth clubs. And if you're trying to climb to the top of the 911 money chain, all this just might be a good thing. But why would you bother coming here and thinking it would generate anything except ridicule?

If you're going to talk about thermite and red chips, it's better to imitate Dick Gage and talk at churches filled with burned out hippies and radical conservative kids. It's fine for all the folks here. We need a laugh now and then, but I doubt you're posting here because you enjoy being humiliated.
 
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riptowtan said:
Tony Szamboti: "I have read it. How can I mistake micron size for nanometer size."

From the Paper:

"The chips are typically small but readily discernible by eye due to
their distinctive color. They are of variable size with major
dimensions of roughly 0.2 to 3 mm. Thicknesses vary from
roughly 10 to 100 microns for each layer (red and gray)."
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It was the particle thickness which was being discussed not the full chip thickness. From page 12 of the paper

The results indicate that the small particles with very high BSE
intensity (brightness) are consistently 100 nm in size and
have a faceted appearance. These bright particles are seen
intermixed with plate-like particles that have intermediate
BSE intensity and are approximately 40 nm thick and up to
about 1 micron across.

To say the particles were not nanometer size is not accurate.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
Chewy you would be one of the anonymous clowns I was thinking of when I said it.

Even though we may disagree, one thing I can say about Ryan Mackey, Dave Rogers, and a few others, are that they are man enough to use their real names and don't hide behind pseudonyms while attempting to ridicule others.
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Well then Tony, you can never accuse me of this.
 
Tony, I am honestly curious as to your thoughts about the fact that no real experts-experts who could actually DO something about getting the rank-and-file scientific and engineering community behind you-give you the time of day.
 
twinstead said:
Tony, I am honestly curious as to your thoughts about the fact that no real experts-experts who could actually DO something about getting the rank-and-file scientific and engineering community behind you-give you the time of day.
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Tony seems to be thinking "I see what no one else can" while it should be "what does everyone else see that I'm missing".
 
I was totally confused by most of Tony's arguments, but I am an engineer. The one that I found most bizarre was the argument that if a plate was supported by 30 columns and 27 of them were removed than that would fail at 70% gravity. Seems complete nonsense to me. A buckling failure is a rapid failure and once initiated there is little or no resistance ..

If the towers fell at 70%g, then that implies that 30% of the energy was absorbed by the impact. The jolt that resists the impact is indeed the difference between 100%g and 70% g
 
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I've got a question for Tony.

If there was military grade "nano-thermite" within the dust from Ground Zero, then how come there were no military demolition experts involved in the investigation to confirm it?

Before Tony answers this, I'll have to remind him that the military used all kinds of thermite during WWII to the present. So it's no secret that they used the stuff.
 
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Bluesky said:
I was totally confused by most of Tony's arguments, but I am an engineer. The one that I found most bizarre was the argument that if a plate was supported by 30 columns and 27 of them were removed than that would fail at 70% gravity.
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Welcome to CT Physics 101.

Think about this, by Tony's logic, if you removed 27 columns, but doubled the weight, it would fall at 140% of gravity!

or

If you put 10 plates on 30 columns it falls at 1g, with 11 plates? Yep you guessed it, 110% of gravity!
 
3bodyproblem said:
Welcome to CT Physics 101.

Think about this, by Tony's logic, if you removed 27 columns, but doubled the weight, it would fall at 140% of gravity!

or

If you put 10 plates on 30 columns it falls at 1g, with 11 plates? Yep you guessed it, 110% of gravity!
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Now you are proving why you deserve to be called a clown.

There is a limit to an unresisted acceleration due to gravity and that would be 100% of gravity.
 
3bodyproblem said:
And I wouldn't be talking smack realcddeal. It wasn't until Ron exposed your identity that you became Tony Szamboti. I think it garnered you some respect, perhaps not for your beliefs, but certainly for you as a person.
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Ron exposed his identity? Shame on pomeroo. That's extremely immoral and truther-like and a breach of rule 8 (if he were still a member). Tony probably would've revealed his identity eventually, but he shouldn't have been forced into it. Anyone can stay anonymous if he wants to.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
There is a limit to an unresisted acceleration due to gravity and that would be 100% of gravity.
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Tony you've presented this idea that the acceleration of the upper block is directly related the number of columns holding it up. It's just plain silly.
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
Ron exposed his identity? Shame on pomeroo. That's extremely immoral and truther-like and a breach of rule 8 (if he were still a member). Tony probably would've revealed his identity eventually, but he shouldn't have been forced into it. Anyone can stay anonymous if he wants to.
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I think it was Ron. It was a while ago, but I seem to recall him being the first to call him Tony.
 
I think Tony needs to tell us why he thinks that static failure (a 100,000 ton structure) couldn't collapse part of a building on top of itself to bring down what were essentually tube within a tube structures & turn it into a global collaspe.
 
3bodyproblem said:
Show you? I'm sure you've seen loading failures. I've linked the balsa wood bridge competitions before. When the structures are overloaded the failure is sudden and the acceleration is very close to g.

Here's one

and another one

The second one's great, it explodes!!!!
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Thermite did it, a realcddeal. It went up, must of been super-nano-ct-stuff.

8 years of failed engineering, the truth movement, Jones, Gage and fellow anti-intellectual kool-aid drinkers.
 
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