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Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

At least you have a sense of humour, Tony...
 
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Oscar said:
Well, after watching Tony in action in those two Hardfire episodes I couldn't help asking myself a hypothetical question:

Would you buy a secondhand car from him?

I don't think I need to tell you my answer.
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I think you're on to something!


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Tony I'm just watching Part 1, and brother you gotta think about things before you speak. You're doing a lot of stuttering and shuffling of papers and looking down that just doesn't make you seem credible.

I will say however that you seem genuinely ambushed by the Anders Bjorkman issue. Ron and Ryan should be a little ashamed for trying to make you explain his craziness. At the same time you should have distanced yourself from him beforehand.
 
3bodyproblem said:
Tony I'm just watching Part 1, and brother you gotta think about things before you speak. You're doing a lot of stuttering and shuffling of papers and looking down that just doesn't make you seem credible.

I will say however that you seem genuinely ambushed by the Anders Bjorkman issue. Ron and Ryan should be a little ashamed for trying to make you explain his craziness. At the same time you should have distanced yourself from him beforehand.
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It seems that in your mind you have it all figured out and know just what to look for when judging an oral debate. I'm impressed.

I think I have had enough dealings with clowns like you and some of the others on this forum for awhile.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
It seems that in your mind you have it all figured out and know just what to look for when judging an oral debate. I'm impressed.

I think I have had enough dealings with clowns like you and some of the others on this forum for awhile.
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Next time you might consider looking at the evidence before debating with people or just bring your evidence Tony.
 
9/11 Chewy Defense said:
Next time you might consider looking at the evidence before debating with people or just bring your evidence Tony.
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Chewy you would be one of the anonymous clowns I was thinking of when I said it.

Even though we may disagree, one thing I can say about Ryan Mackey, Dave Rogers, and a few others, are that they are man enough to use their real names and don't hide behind pseudonyms while attempting to ridicule others.
 
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"Seriously Ron, just take him and shake him like this for me!"

Don't get your knickers in a knot Tony. I'm just making an observation. You made some remarks that seemed like you were very uncomfortable.

And I wouldn't be talking smack realcddeal. It wasn't until Ron exposed your identity that you became Tony Szamboti. I think it garnered you some respect, perhaps not for your beliefs, but certainly for you as a person.
 
3bodyproblem said:
I will say however that you seem genuinely ambushed by the Anders Bjorkman issue. Ron and Ryan should be a little ashamed for trying to make you explain his craziness. At the same time you should have distanced yourself from him beforehand.
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I agree with this. I thought they spent too much time on Heiwa. I mean, this is already pretty technical stuff and pretty soon it started to become a live rendition of a JREF thread discussion! :p
 
knife fight colobus said:
I agree with this. I thought they spent too much time on Heiwa. I mean, this is already pretty technical stuff and pretty soon it started to become a live rendition of a JREF thread discussion! :p
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in Part 3, there is a 3 minute interlude where Tony tries to clap 110 times.
 
3bodyproblem said:
I will say however that you seem genuinely ambushed by the Anders Bjorkman issue. Ron and Ryan should be a little ashamed for trying to make you explain his craziness. At the same time you should have distanced yourself from him beforehand.
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knife fight colobus said:
I agree with this. I thought they spent too much time on Heiwa. I mean, this is already pretty technical stuff and pretty soon it started to become a live rendition of a JREF thread discussion! :p
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I agree with this too. You'll note I didn't bring him up.

Ron told me ahead of time that he was going to mention Heiwa's bizarre theories, which I discouraged, but he did it anyway, justifying it because both Tony and Heiwa are prominent members of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

They also have taken similar positions in the past. In fact, just a couple of pages back you see Tony taking up the banner of the "Heiwa Challenge."

However, again, this was not my decision, and I think we wasted valuable time recounting Heiwa's incredible insanity. Similar thing happened in my physics lectures, where you'll note Ron brings him up out of the blue and I deflect away from the topic. There's no point to picking on individuals, simply pointing out the nonreality of their ideas is enough. They should be smart enough to figure out the rest without heaping ridicule on top of it.
 
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Addendum! Ron sent me e-mail on this topic, justifying his choice. Again, he recounts that Heiwa and Tony are in the same organization, so he thinks Tony should justify why he supports Heiwa's beliefs. As he puts it, "They pretend that Gage's frauds present a united front."

I can see the logic of this, but again, I disagreed with it and I still do. It's painfully obvious to me that AE911T is just one of many "Big Top" Truther clubs, willing to take practically anyone, rather than actually looking for a legitimate alternate hypothesis. I don't see why we need to dwell on it. Gage lost any hope at credibility when he self-destructed against Mark Roberts. Stick a fork in him, already. :p
 
R.Mackey said:
I agree with this too. You'll note I didn't bring him up.
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And rightly so. At the same time, from the little I know of Ron he's got to be chewing at the bit over the whole Heiwa and bill smith nonsense. There's no physical facepalm, but the metaphorical one is there. I can't blame him for pointing this out though, it really is a pet peeve of mine. Tony had plenty of time to distance himself from the issue and make a case for himself. By riding Anders coat tales he left himself open to this. He had plenty of time to correct the 2 mile drop BS before tape started rolling. Scrambling to do so was personally fulfilling, but in terms of the presentation it meant very little to anyone outside the forum. (for the rest of us I think it was priceless)
 
Tony Szamboti said:
Chewy you would be one of the anonymous clowns I was thinking of when I said it.

Even though we may disagree, one thing I can say about Ryan Mackey, Dave Rogers, and a few others, are that they are man enough to use their real names and don't hide behind pseudonyms while attempting to ridicule others.
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Tony,

Sometimes it's always best not to give out names. But if you actually looked through the JREF forum you will be able to find my name instead of assuming everything, like you're doing now.

I'll give you a hint to search my name Tony: Look for a thread by me about Jim Fetzer!

Calling me or anyone a "Clown" only makes you look unintelligent, to say the least.

FYI Tony: Everyone here is rediculing your topic that there were "explosives" in the buildings & not attacking you personally. I think you feel like it's a personal thing but it's not. Either you have evidence of what you say or you don't. If you don't, please do a more thorough research on 9/11 before assuming something which has no physcial evidence to help back it up.
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
How original. Is this the best you can do?
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If we were nasty liars we could say we saw a documentary where someome admitted that WT7 was a controlled demolition for safety reasons. But we are not, so we won't.

Your performance was very poor.
 
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