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Split Thread General astrology discussion with Astro Teacher

Pixel42 said:
It's clear I'm wasting my time by trying to engage with you. You seemed to be a lot more articulate than most of the astrology apologists we get here, but alas you've turned out to make no more sense than the worst of them.


Pertinant questions and a tendancy to notice when they aren't answered, requests for evidence and a tendancy to notice when none is offered, and an ability to recognise pseudoscientific drivel and gross scientific errors? Yes, I'm afraid it is.
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What you should be "afraid" of Pixel is your own ignorance of the topic you've chosen to debate. I am "articulate" on this topic because I know what I am talking about. You should try it sometime so you can actually form questions that show that you read on this topic to the point of actually being about to form a decent thought, and thus, decent questions.

If you should "request" anything - it is a free library card with your name on it.
 
Astro Teacher said:
What you should be "afraid" of Pixel is your own ignorance of the topic you've chosen to debate. I am "articulate" on this topic because I know what I am talking about. You should try it sometime so you can actually form questions that show that you read on this topic to the point of actually being about to form a decent thought, and thus, decent questions.

If you should "request" anything - it is a free library card with your name on it.
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Ooh, argument ad hominem when pressured. Never seen that before.
 
Astro Teacher said:
What you should be "afraid" of Pixel is your own ignorance of the topic you've chosen to debate. I am "articulate" on this topic because I know what I am talking about. You should try it sometime so you can actually form questions that show that you read on this topic to the point of actually being about to form a decent thought, and thus, decent questions.

If you should "request" anything - it is a free library card with your name on it.
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You keep saying this sort of thing. But then offer nothing but a link to a page filled with every book ever written on the subject, ranging from the in-depth to the dilettante. Without a guide to the validity of the authors or topics, this list is completely useless. I am a bit surprised that a "teacher" (especially one who insists that he can not teach before the student thouroughly informs themselves) can not present a succinct list of materials.
 
bookitty said:
You keep saying this sort of thing. But then offer nothing but a link to a page filled with every book ever written on the subject, ranging from the in-depth to the dilettante. Without a guide to the validity of the authors or topics, this list is completely useless. I am a bit surprised that a "teacher" (especially one who insists that he can not teach before the student thouroughly informs themselves) can not present a succinct list of materials.
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First of all, you are not my "student." Second of all, you can easily take the time to find any of those books I linked to. Try getting off your behind and turning some pages, or is that too much to ask of you? I am sure that you can easily find many serious materials on Astrology. It is the oldest body of knowledge on this planet you know.
 
Astro Teacher said:
Listen, you are going to get two different answers from many people on the same question in anything you ask. What's the problem? It is for you to make the choice about whom to listen to pal. You have free will, and there are no easy answers for how to live your own life. You can educate yourself to the point of knowing who is apt to give you better solutions and answers to your questions/dilemmas, etc., than who is not.

This is not about "prediction" - this is about forecasting. Objectivity means different things to different people. Sure, get the best you can from whomever you might think can get you closer to what you want, or need, but, in the end you are going to have to make the decision. That means thinking for yourself at some time in the process. That's life and we all have to deal with this fact of life.
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Well I think if I ask many people what is 2+2 the answer will cluster around 4.


Prediction isn't forecasting?
 
Astro Teacher said:
First of all, you are not my "student." Second of all, you can easily take the time to find any of those books I linked to. Try getting off your behind and turning some pages, or is that too much to ask of you?
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Well, when you ask us to read two-hundred-something books before you'll even begin a discussion, yes, I'd say that it is too much to ask.

I am sure that you can easily find many serious materials on Astrology. It is the oldest body of knowledge on this planet you know.
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:dl:

No, it isn't.
 
tsig said:
You have powers?

Have we made you mad? Should we be worried?
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You will have serious worries in the near future, you can bet on it from the astrological transits to come. Keep your eyes on the skies, and pray that you've lived a decent life because the "proof" you are looking for may be detrimental to your very existence if you don't get it together in your own life.

The solar system is basically a giant clock, and if you haven't learn to "read" this clock then how are you to know what time it really is?
 
Astro teacher, here is the deal. As I'm sure you can tell, the people posting so far think that astrology is a load of bull. I think that astrology is a load of bull. The best way to convince us otherwise is not to call us closed-minded and tell us that we need to read up on the subject.

I don't want to read up on the subject, I only have so much time in my life to study things, and I don't want to waste that time reading a bunch of useless crap that has no effect on my life.

What you should be doing is trying to convince people that astrology has merit, that it can be useful in any way. Instead, I expect you will simply 'strongly advise' that I read up on the subject, so that my 'eyes will be opened.' In fact, let me take a stab at predicting your response.

Judging by your screen name, I would have expected you to be more open minded. If you would take the time to do the research that I have, you would know that astrology is not a 'load of bull' and does have a large impact on your life. I strongly suggest that you read up on the subject, then you will see that it is useful and great and I'm really a genius and haven't wasted my life on superstition.
 
Astro Teacher said:
You will have serious worries in the near future, you can bet on it from the astrological transits to come. Keep your eyes on the skies, and pray that you've lived a decent life because the "proof" you are looking for may be detrimental to your very existence if you don't get it together in your own life.

The solar system is basically a giant clock, and if you haven't learn to "read" this clock then how are you to know what time it really is?
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Look, At, we're just asking you to show us some proof. Don't tell us to go read a pile of books. Don't tell us to believe you just because people have believed in such stuff for thousands of years. Don't tell us to believe just because dire things will happen if we don't.

Just show us some proof.

I am a chemist. If I claim that acids can react with various metals, I can prove that. I can get a number of different acids, and react them with the metals in question, and show that they react. If you give me some flasks with solutions, one of which is reasonably strong hydrochloric acid and the rest are non-acidic solutions, I can figure out which one the acid is. If you give me a number of different metals, I can figure out which one is zinc and which one is silver by the way they react with acid.

I can back up my claims, without telling you to run to a library and learn about chemistry, or claiming that all science is based on alchemy, or that Noah (having figured out fermentation) must have been a chemist.

I would like to give you the opportunity to back up yours.
 
astro teacher said:
you will have serious worries in the near future, you can bet on it from the astrological transits to come. Keep your eyes on the skies, and pray that you've lived a decent life because the "proof" you are looking for may be detrimental to your very existence if you don't get it together in your own life.

The solar system is basically a giant clock, and if you haven't learn to "read" this clock then how are you to know what time it really is?
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snicker
 
I'd still just like to see some evidence that a significant number of scientists practice astrology.
 
Come on guys. Let's be civil here.

Let's encourage AstroTeacher to show us some evidence instead of mocking him.

If he does not provide evidence, let it be because there is no evidence, not because he can't stand talking to us.
 
Astro Teacher said:
You will have serious worries in the near future, you can bet on it from the astrological transits to come.
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Can you be more specific? Are you predicting trouble for tsig specifically, or the human population in general? What will the nature of this trouble be? In what time frame is it to occur? A week? A month? A year? Ten years?

Keep your eyes on the skies, and pray that you've lived a decent life because the "proof" you are looking for may be detrimental to your very existence if you don't get it together in your own life.
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Is James Arness coming?

The solar system is basically a giant clock, and if you haven't learn to "read" this clock then how are you to know what time it really is?
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And my wristwatch is a little clock. It has no more influence or predictive power than the positions of stars and planets. Its regularity can be used as a metric for the passage of time, but it can't predict the future of individuals or empires.
 
Astro Teacher said:
First of all, you are not my "student." Second of all, you can easily take the time to find any of those books I linked to. Try getting off your behind and turning some pages, or is that too much to ask of you? I am sure that you can easily find many serious materials on Astrology. It is the oldest body of knowledge on this planet you know.
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Here is the link you presented:
http://www.astroamerica.com/author.html

It was offered without any commentary, or recommendation. There are hundreds of books on that page. Some of them are serious, some are frivolous. If a person hasn't studied astrology, there would be no way to tell them apart. Please tell me how this link could be of any worth to someone who wanted to understand astrology. You can't possibly suggesting that I read all of them.

On the off chance that you are suggesting that one need to read every book on this list in order to have a discussion with you, then perhaps it would be best if you didn't call yourself a teacher.
 
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