Truthers and anti-Semitism

[Brainster]

Why is it the only time I ever hear about Bollyn, Hufschmid or AFP, it's right here on jref?

Because you don't read David Ray Griffin's books?

 

[TexasJack]

Well since Bush is Jewish of course I believe he was in on it. My vociferous criticism of Condaleeza Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Giuliani are all examples of my rampant anti-semitism.

Another evasion and failed attempt at humor. No surprise, but do try to follow, you made this statement

NIST and the The Commission played the only role in promulgating conspiracy theories since their "investigations" begged more questions than they answered.

Note, you said only. I pointed out Bush addressing conspiracy theories before NIST and the Commssion Report, and you retorted "Freudian Slip". Is this another failed attempt at humor or are you suggesting Bush was in on it. The fact is, many conspiracy theories were circulating before NIST and the Commission Report (see Mike W's link)and here http://911guide.googlepages.com/history, among them by Hufschmid. So were you wrong about "only"?

 

[RedIbis]

This isn't all about YOU, Red. I'm not saying YOU are an anti-semite.

What I do say is that anti-semites have been allowed to make inroads in the truth movement in ways that they haven't elsewhere.

Why do you suppose this is?

There are bigots everywhere. You choose to focus on the few who have questioned the official story of 9/11 because you are making a cheap attempt at guilt by association.

Assuming that Hitler was a vegetarian, should all vegetarians apologize for what he did? If you saw the racist facebook photos on the RNC facebook page, why don't you demand that all Republicans denounce these racist images?

 

[CHF]

There are bigots everywhere. You choose to focus on the few who have questioned the official story of 9/11 because you are making a cheap attempt at guilt by association.

A few? It's not "a few" truthers who associate with Jew-haters - it's the very cornerstones of your movement. Steven Jones, DR Griffin, Loose Change, Alex Jones....all have worked with, or have cited, the Truthen-SS.

The claims and "evidence" that these creeps came up with have since become standard truther talking points.

That's way beyond an isolated incident, Red. It's a pattern. The question is why did this relationship between truthers and Jew-haters take hold in the first place and why has it endured?

I've given you my theory. Still waiting on yours.

Assuming that Hitler was a vegetarian, should all vegetarians apologize for what he did?

Hitler's vegitarianism was incidental to his crimes.

Anti-semitism, on the other hand, doesn't appear to be incidental to the TM. It appears to be a logic extension of the paranoid mindset that drives it.

The fact that so few truthers disown the mindless talking points of the Truthen-SS shows that either they support the Jew-haters in their midst or they just don't care.

Either position is reprehensible.

 

[RedIbis]

the Truthen-SS.[...]

the Truthen-SS .

See what I'm talking about?

If anyone's interested all of this was covered in a thread I started awhile back. The discussion is a lot more mature and productive than this one is turning out to be.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111934

 

[CHF]

See what I'm talking about?

Yeah I totally see what you're talking about. You don't like it when reality is pointed out to you.

Rabid Jew-haters are still treated respectfully by the most popular and "credible" people in the TM and the rank-and-file truthers either accept it or pretend not to notice.

Reality can be embarrassing sometimes, Red. Either way you gotta deal with it.

 

[funk de fino]

See what I'm talking about?

If anyone's interested all of this was covered in a thread I started awhile back. The discussion is a lot more mature and productive than this one is turning out to be.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111934

You made a false claim and have refused to retract it. You are a liar Red Ibis.

How arrogant/pig headed can you be, that you could not just admit the mistake and get back to the OP, instead of your thoughts on what you think the OP is?

When did Willie start claiming bombs in the basement Red?

 

[johnny karate]

See what I'm talking about?

If anyone's interested all of this was covered in a thread I started awhile back. The discussion is a lot more mature and productive than this one is turning out to be.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111934

I agree that your mock indignation and blatant falsehoods are neither mature nor productive. So if you could simply stop this behavior, or excuse yourself from the thread, maybe we can focus on those interested in honestly addressing the OP.

 

[TexasJack]

See what I'm talking about?

If anyone's interested all of this was covered in a thread I started awhile back. The discussion is a lot more mature and productive than this one is turning out to be.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111934

What would be mature and productive would be admitting you were wrong. Are you willing to concede that you were wrong about this statement?

Wrong. NIST and the The Commission played the only role in promulgating conspiracy theories since their "investigations" begged more questions than they answered.

 

[Par]

I suppose it’s worth noting that RedIbis subscribes to one of the most blatantly anti-Semitic and ridiculous of all these silly theories: he thinks Larry Silverstein is a liar (but refuses to identify exactly what he’s lied about).

What the hell does this have to do with anti-semitism?

You subscribe to one of the most blatantly anti-Semitic and ridiculous of all these silly theories. You seem to be asking what anti-Semitic conspiracy theories have to do with anti-Semitism. What an odd question.

 

[WildCat]

When did Willie start claiming bombs in the basement Red?

Willie just forgot about the bombs until 3 years later. People often forget about little insignificant details like a giant bomb going off in their face, only to remember years later when there's money to be made selling the TRUTH.

 

[RedIbis]

You subscribe to one of the most blatantly anti-Semitic and ridiculous of all these silly theories. You seem to be asking what anti-Semitic conspiracy theories have to do with anti-Semitism. What an odd question.

I asked you what specifically in my quote that sounds to you like anti-semitism? You have thus far been unable to locate such a quote.

 

[WildCat]

I asked you what specifically in my quote that sounds to you like anti-semitism? You have thus far been unable to locate such a quote.

So you think you're off the hook because you only parrot claims made by anti-semites?

 

[RedIbis]

What would be mature and productive would be admitting you were wrong. Are you willing to concede that you were wrong about this statement?

While we're arguing semantics it is not wrong since both of those institutions would have been able to end all conspiracy theories by producing thorough investigations backed by evidence. They both failed and have done more to substantiate conspiracy theories than any half rate bigotry promoted nowhere but on this website.

 

[TexasJack]

While we're arguing semantics it is not wrong since both of those institutions would have been able to end all conspiracy theories by producing thorough investigations backed by evidence. They both failed and have done more to substantiate conspiracy theories than any half rate bigotry promoted nowhere but on this website.

I guess we can throw out mature and productive from your vocabulary, but evasion remains at the top of your list. Are you in that much denial that you can't admit you were wrong? Simply amazing.

 

[CHF]

While we're arguing semantics it is not wrong since both of those institutions would have been able to end all conspiracy theories by producing thorough investigations backed by evidence. They both failed and have done more to substantiate conspiracy theories than any half rate bigotry promoted nowhere but on this website.

That's laughable considering that most truthers know bugger all about the "official story" which they dismiss as a lie.

But back the OP. Why do you think anti-Semites have been so welcomed/tolerated by the TM?

I gave my theory. What's yours?

 

[Par]

And this is just what this forum needed, yet another thread conflating all questioning of 9/11 down to a few bigots who no one even pays any attention to.

I suppose it’s worth noting that RedIbis subscribes to one of the most blatantly anti-Semitic and ridiculous of all these silly theories: he thinks Larry Silverstein is a liar (but refuses to identify exactly what he’s lied about).

What the hell does this have to do with anti-semitism? Be specific when you quote me and claim that I said anything even remotely anti-semitic.

You subscribe to one of the most blatantly anti-Semitic and ridiculous of all these silly theories. You seem to be asking what anti-Semitic conspiracy theories have to do with anti-Semitism. What an odd question.

I asked you what specifically in my quote that sounds to you like anti-semitism? You have thus far been unable to locate such a quote.

I've no idea why you're asking for such a thing. Making groundless nonsense accusations Silvertien seems to me like anti-Semitism.

 

[RedIbis]

That's laughable considering that most truthers know bugger all about the "official story" which they dismiss as a lie.

But back the OP. Why do you think anti-Semites have been so welcomed/tolerated by the TM?

I gave my theory. What's yours?

I've articulated my position on this many times. In the T-word thread I said that claiming to be a truther or calling someone a truther is equally stupid. I reject the notion there is such a thing as a Truth Movement.

 

[RedIbis]

I've no idea why you're asking for such a thing. Making groundless nonsense accusations Silvertien seems to me like anti-Semitism.

I suspect this is true, you do have no idea why I would ask you for a specific quote that can be construed as anti-semitic. I've criticized LS many times. I've criticized Richard Myers and Giuliani as well, but I've been yet to be called anti-Italian or anti-Caucasian. Now why is that?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I'll tell ya 1 thing, I'd soon trust my opinions on the 9/11 Official Report's evidence than some hair brained lame Conspiracy Theories that aren't official nor contain evidence.

If it isn't official or have any evidence it's not worth the time or the effort. But Truthers lack the knowledge & understanding that what they believe in is just a narrative story, a fairy story.