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Truthers and anti-Semitism

RedIbis said:
And this is just what this forum needed, yet another thread conflating all questioning of 9/11 down to a few bigots who no one even pays any attention to.
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No one said it was those that merely question the events of 9/11. (Now whose guilty of conflation?) We're talking about the Truth Movement here, a distinction which was clearly made in the OP.
 
RedIbis said:
And this is just what this forum needed, yet another thread conflating all questioning of 9/11 down to a few bigots who no one even pays any attention to.
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CITATION NEEDED.

Anyhow, this is just part 4000 in Red's Series of "I am better than other truthers and you guys are big meanies for lumping me in with them."
 
RedIbis said:
And this is just what this forum needed, yet another thread conflating all questioning of 9/11 down to a few bigots who no one even pays any attention to.
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Yeah, the deja vu is strong on this one. What was the last CHF thread about, you know, the last one in a series of threads where he was told that his line of thought is silly because there is no official "truth movement" you can be a member of, therefore that nonexisting organisation isn't able to "clean their ranks" at all? Holocaust deniers? TV fakery?

Can't remeber - but he didn't get it.
 
deep said:
You admit that most truthers dismiss them as crackpots (etc) .. but then you're wondering why they're so warmly received?

Funny!
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There's no contradition here, Deep.

While it's true that the average rank-and-file truther like yourself will instinctively avoid snuggling up to anti-Semites (at least in public), the same can't be said for TM leaders.

Steven Jones worked with Chris Bollyn, David Ray Griffin still sites the likes of Eric Hufschmid, Alex Jones ran banner ads for the same people, James Fetzer was willing to appear on the same stage of Eric D. Williams, and it took Loose Change three editions before the Jew-haters at AFP were no longer cited as a reliable source.

I'd say that's a rather warm welcome, especially for such vile social outcasts.

So why are neo-Nazi crackpots welcomed in your movement in ways that they aren't anywhere else?

As I say in the OP, how can they NOT be? Truthers and Jew-haters both believe the same basic thing. The latter are just a little less reluctant to name names.
 
RedIbis said:
And this is just what this forum needed, yet another thread conflating all questioning of 9/11 down to a few bigots who no one even pays any attention to.
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Aren't you supposed to be out looking for a fact?
 
I'm Southern! and American!

UNLoVedRebel said:
People from INSIDE this country did 9/11 too. They were INSIDE the United States. That's how they hijacked the planes INSIDE this country and crashed them into targets INSIDE this country.

I'm not stereotyping, I'm going by the evidence presented. I have every reason to believe you are uneducated and from the South.
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I find your statement about being uneducated and from the south to be very rude. I can't call it racism, maybe sectionalism is apropos. You should apologize for making inane criticisms like that!!

MC
 
Childlike Empress said:
Yeah, the deja vu is strong on this one. What was the last CHF thread about, you know, the last one in a series of threads where he was told that his line of thought is silly because there is no official "truth movement" you can be a member of, therefore that nonexisting organisation isn't able to "clean their ranks" at all? Holocaust deniers? TV fakery?

Can't remeber - but he didn't get it.
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The Truth Movement doesn't exist? Better tell that to the Truth Movement.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Yeah, the deja vu is strong on this one. What was the last CHF thread about, you know, the last one in a series of threads where he was told that his line of thought is silly because there is no official "truth movement" you can be a member of, therefore that nonexisting organisation isn't able to "clean their ranks" at all? Holocaust deniers? TV fakery?
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Ah so the "truth movement" doesn't exist. :rolleyes: Is it just me or are truthers increasingly disowning themselves?

CE - insofar as there is a group that can be called the "truth movement," would you say that Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, Alex Jones and Dylan Avery are part of it?

In fact, would these not be considered rather prominent voices?

All "movements" have their crackpot elements vying for acceptance and the mere existence of such elements says nothing about the movement itself. For example, the creeps at NAMBLA try to associate themselves with the gay rights movement.

What really counts is how a movement chooses to deal with these elements. Most truthers will dismiss the claims of anti-Semites unless those claims are first laundered through their movement's leaders, in which case they become gospal.
 
Why is it the only time I ever hear about Bollyn, Hufschmid or AFP, it's right here on jref?
 
RedIbis said:
Why is it the only time I ever hear about Bollyn, Hufschmid or AFP, it's right here on jref?
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I told you why.

It's because the rest of the time you're hearing their claims through another source.
 
RedIbis said:
Why is it the only time I ever hear about Bollyn, Hufschmid or AFP, it's right here on jref?
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Because JREF has a specific sub-forum dealing with 9/11 conspiracy theories, and the examples you cited each have played some kind of role in promulgating those conspiracy theories.
 
CHF said:
I told you why.

It's because the rest of the time you're hearing their claims through another source.
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What source and what claim? Be specific or your OP and your entire tack is nothing more than puerile guilt by ascribed association.
 
johnny karate said:
Because JREF has a specific sub-forum dealing with 9/11 conspiracy theories, and the examples you cited each have played some kind of role in promulgating those conspiracy theories.
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Wrong. NIST and the The Commission played the only role in promulgating conspiracy theories since their "investigations" begged more questions than they answered.
 
R.Mackey said:
I've long wondered why the Jews always get fingered, instead of, say, the Scots. After all, I think we, um, I mean they, have just as much claim to be running everything.
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You knows it;)

Even the Romans did not mess with us much. They had to build a couple of big walls to keep us at bay while they subjugated the English for years.

Guy who invented the pneumatic tyre was just up the road from me.
 
RedIbis said:
Wrong. NIST and the The Commission played the only role in promulgating conspiracy theories since their "investigations" begged more questions than they answered.
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That is completely untrue and a pathetic claim.

There were theories and claims made long before NIST or the 911 Commission were ever published.

I suggest you retract that false claim. Or you may be called a proven liar.
 
RedIbis said:
What source and what claim? Be specific or your OP and your entire tack is nothing more than puerile guilt by ascribed association.
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Take, for example, Christopher Bollyn.

He's the guy who misrepresented the seismic data from the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory which started the idiotic idea of basement bombs in the WTC. He's apparently also the guy who started the theory that the crash of Flight 93 was faked.

Both claims are now standard truther lore.

And who could forget Eric Hufschmid's 2002 book "Painful questions" which was instrumental in getting the WTC demolition theory off the ground.

Face it, Red: your silly little "movement" owes a lot to these hateful pukes, regardless of whether or not you care to thank them.
 
CHF said:
Take, for example, Christopher Bollyn.

He's the guy who misrepresented the seismic data from the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory which started the idiotic idea of basement bombs in the WTC. He's apparently also the guy who started the theory that the crash of Flight 93 was faked.

Both claims are now standard truther lore.

And who could forget Eric Hufschmid's 2002 book "Painful questions" which was instrumental in getting the WTC demolition theory off the ground.

Face it, Red: your silly little "movement" owes a lot to these hateful pukes, regardless of whether or not you care to thank them.
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What the hell is "standard truther lore"? and where has a Twoofilious Twoofer such as myself ever referenced these sources?
 
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