Truthers and anti-Semitism

RedIbis said:
Wrong. NIST and the The Commission played the only role in promulgating conspiracy theories since their "investigations" begged more questions than they answered.
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Really? Then why do you suppose Bush makes this statement before the UN General Assembly on 11-10-01? That's well before the NIST and the Commission Report, right Red?

"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."
 
TexasJack said:
Really? Then why do you suppose Bush makes this statement before the UN General Assembly on 11-10-01? That's well before the NIST and the Commission Report, right Red?

"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."
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Freudian slip.
 
RedIbis said:
What the hell is "standard truther lore"? and where has a Twoofilious Twoofer such as myself ever referenced these sources?
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Am I to understand that you don't think the idea of basements bombs and the Flight 93 crash being faked are standard truther talking points?

I'll remember that the next time some idiot talks about Willy Rod or quote-mines Wally Miller.

What next, Red? Can we also throw out Eric Hufschmid's WTC demolition evidence as not being "truther lore?"

At this rate the truthers will all agree with NIST in a few years.
 
CHF said:
Am I to understand that you don't think the idea of basements bombs and the Flight 93 crash being faked are standard truther talking points?

I'll remember that the next time some idiot talks about Willy Rod or quote-mines Wally Miller.

What next, Red? Can we also throw out Eric Hufschmid's WTC demolition evidence as not being "truther lore?"

At this rate the truthers will all agree with NIST in a few years.
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To illustrate how poor your logic is and what is wrong this whole line of thinking: I didn't need Hufschmid or Bollyn to tell me about bombs in the basement, I was able to interview the source myself and from what I can tell, he's no anti-semite.

As much as you hope so, bombs in the basement and evidence of explosives doesn't begin nor end with Hufschmid or Bollyn, two long forgotten numbskulls, kept on life support only here on jref and nowhere else. That says a lot more about you than about this fantasy truth movement you keep harping on.
 
RedIbis said:
To illustrate how poor your logic is and what is wrong this whole line of thinking: I didn't need Hufschmid or Bollyn to tell me about bombs in the basement, I was able to interview the source myself and from what I can tell, he's no anti-semite.

As much as you hope so, bombs in the basement and evidence of explosives doesn't begin nor end with Hufschmid or Bollyn, two long forgotten numbskulls, kept on life support only here on jref and nowhere else. That says a lot more about you than about this fantasy truth movement you keep harping on.
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You need to read the OP and stop ignoring posts. The OP was not about you specifically Red.

You have made false claims but you get another chance to retract or you are a proven liar.

I'll repeat it.

RedIbis said:
Wrong. NIST and the The Commission played the only role in promulgating conspiracy theories since their "investigations" begged more questions than they answered.
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RedIbis said:
To illustrate how poor your logic is and what is wrong this whole line of thinking: I didn't need Hufschmid or Bollyn to tell me about bombs in the basement, I was able to interview the source myself and from what I can tell, he's no anti-semite.
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If that is Willie, when did he start claiming bombs in the basement?
 
RedIbis said:
Wrong. NIST and the The Commission played the only role in promulgating conspiracy theories since their "investigations" begged more questions than they answered.
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In the spirit of ther civil discourse you claim to promote, please retract this statement and apologize for accusing me of being wrong about something which I clearly am not.
 
RedIbis said:
two long forgotten numbskulls, kept on life support only here on jref and nowhere else.
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So if I look up Bollyn's BS story about the seismic evidence of "basement bombs" I won't find it referenced anywhere but here?

You sure about that, Red?

If you want to know who keeps those "two long forgotten numbskulls" on life support you can start with DR Griffin.

Heck, even if you disregard Bollyn's "evidence" you still owe him a huge thank you. After all, if he hasn't made up the stupid basement bomb theory, Willy Rod's memory would probably not have been refreshed to the remarkable degree that it was.

2001-2004: "There was this fireball of jet fuel that came down the elevator shaft."

2005-2009: "Did I say jet fuel? I meant BOMB!"
 
To bring us back to the theme of the OP: how can truthers blame the likes of Bollyn, Hufschmid and the AFP for screaming "Juden!"

Their conclusion is simply the logical one given how the truther brain works.

If you believe that a small group of people have infiltrated governments, banks, media outlets and higher education in order to carry out an evil world-wide conspiracy...then how can you NOT point the finger at the Jewish people?

Seriously, who fits the bill better than they do?
 
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RedIbis said:
To illustrate how poor your logic is and what is wrong this whole line of thinking: I didn't need Hufschmid or Bollyn to tell me about bombs in the basement, I was able to interview the source myself and from what I can tell, he's no anti-semite.
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That doesn't mean either man didn't play a role in promoting the theory.

RedIbis said:
As much as you hope so, bombs in the basement and evidence of explosives doesn't begin nor end with Hufschmid or Bollyn, two long forgotten numbskulls, kept on life support only here on jref and nowhere else. That says a lot more about you than about this fantasy truth movement you keep harping on.
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Because you proclaim these men "long forgotten numbskulls" does nothing to change the role they played in the nascent stages of 9/11 conspiracy theories. Unfortunately for you, indignant complaints are not able to alter historical fact.
 
RedIbis said:
What the hell is "standard truther lore"? and where has a Twoofilious Twoofer such as myself ever referenced these sources?
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Funny, I could swear you spent a lot of time here arguing about "pull it".

Who first came up with that idiotic idea (that Slverstein admitted to blowing up WTC 7 in a TV interview) RedIbis?

BTW, have you found any facts yet? Surely you'll need at least one to launch your Fact Movement?
 
WildCat said:
Who first came up with that idiotic idea (that Slverstein admitted to blowing up WTC 7 in a TV interview) RedIbis?
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I seem to recall it being someone from the American Free Press, but I could be wrong.

A guy admits to blowing up his own buiding (in co-operation with the FDNY of all people) during a TV interview and doesn't even flinch or retract his confession seconds later??? :eek:

One can't help but wonder if the truthers would be insisting on a theory that stupid if the guy's name was Anderson.

Doesn't scream conspiracy quite like Silverstein, does it?
 
TexasJack said:
So are you accusing Bush of being in on the plot? Or do you think he is was addressing the early theories before NIST and the report, one of which is "the jews did it."
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Well since Bush is Jewish of course I believe he was in on it. My vociferous criticism of Condaleeza Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Giuliani are all examples of my rampant anti-semitism.
 
RedIbis said:
Well since Bush is Jewish of course I believe he was in on it. My vociferous criticism of Condaleeza Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Giuliani are all examples of my rampant anti-semitism.
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This isn't all about YOU, Red. I'm not saying YOU are an anti-semite.

What I do say is that anti-semites have been allowed to make inroads in the truth movement in ways that they haven't elsewhere.

Why do you suppose this is?
 
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