The Man
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No, the source of thoughts is non-local w.r.t any collection of thoughts and you get this simple fact at the moment that you are able to use direct-perception.
Again you demonstrate how anything is translated by you to Locality, exactly because your reasoning is limited to the level of thoughts.
That “the nature of thoughts” is “locality” was your assertion.
The source of thoughts is the non-personal and non-local state that exists at the basis of any collection of local things (abstract or not). Again you demonstrate your inability to get this fact, because your awareness is closed under Locality and so is your reasoning.
So you think your thoughs come from someone or somewhere elese?
J.R.R Tolkien invented a Hobbit, which is totally different than defining things.
How did he ‘invent a Hobbit’ if not by or without defining it?
Defining things determines the limitations of already existing things in order to use them for our propose.
So a Hobbit must have existed before it was defined.
Inventing things is using our imagination in order to create X out of non-existence.
So one can ’invent things’ by defining something “out of non-existence”.
You have missed the point here.
No you have
The empty set must exist independently of its definition in order to be one of the sets that are not its members. If definition = invention then the empty set cannot be one of the sets that do not belong to the empty set because definition=invention invents the empty set and in that case it can’t be one of the sets that do not belong to it.
Simply nonsense, anything that is invented by its definition only ‘exists’ as its definition. If it ’existed’ before that definition or independently of that definition then it was not invented by that definition. By your assertions anything that is not a member of a particular set must “exist” in order not to be a member of that set. Therefore the empty set invents everything since it has no members and there is no such thing as “non-existence” as you asserted before. Because even things that do not yet “exist” (as a definition or otherwise) are not a member of the empty set and must therefore “exist” (by your assertion) in order not to be a member of the empty set. Just your usual self contradictory nonsense.
In other words, if X is invented then X can’t be used as one of the elements that determine the properties of X, because then we are using a circular reasoning.
No that is just “Inventing things” “using our imagination in order to create X out of non-existence” by defining X. Nothing circular about it, but it does completely refute your assertions that “Defining things determines the limitations of already existing things in order to use them for our propose.”
No, your local-only reasoning is naive because it can’t deal with real complexity.
Your reasoning and notions are specifically naïve until you can rigorously define things like “real complexity” and show that such a thing can “exist” as even just a self consistent definition.
Entropy happens only in closed systems where things are at energetic equilibrium such that no flow of energy can be found in that closed system.
Things are changed if the system is opened to income of new energy.
“energy flow” can be found in closed systems, the only thing that makes a system closed is that energy does not ‘flow’ into or out of that system, it can still ‘flow’ within the system, the difference is rather significant. Entropy can also increase or decrease in an open system, but will only increase in a closed system, again the difference is rather significant.
The inability of 0-dim elements to completely cover a 1-dim element is a model of an open system, where there is always a room for new locations and as a result such a system is naturally opened and therefore non-entropic by nature.
For more details please see this old stuff:
http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/LPD.pdf
http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/Eventors.pdf
I may correct some of it, but the main idea is there.
Again your inability to show that “0-dim elements” cannot “completely cover a 1-dim element” make your assertions meaningless as well as the fact that open systems have entropy.
Here you are using again you local-only reasoning, which prevents from you to understand the universe as an open system that is the result of the linkage between Non-locality and Locality.
For exaple, you can't get http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5018555&postcount=5840.
Allso you can't get http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5037911&postcount=5899.
Direct perception is the right way to get the existence of things. Direct perception is the source of definitions, and not vice versa.
You have already asserted that “Inventing things is using our imagination in order to create X out of non-existence” thus things can be invented “out of non-existence” by simply defining them. Since by your own assertions “non-existence” does not preclude “Inventing things” like just a definition and your “Direct perception” relates only to “already existing things” the definition “in order to create X out of non-existence” must precede your “Direct perception” of that “existence” which is only its definition. Your claim about the ability to “create X out of non-existence” completely refutes your claim that “Direct perception is the source of definitions”