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The Freeman Movement and England

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Especially said:
You, Sir, have no right to know my business and I have none to know yours. Since we are both sovereign human beings. Under the law. Besides, it's bad manners and you are a complete stranger to me.
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I'm not a male. Did you ever think to look at the forum profiles of the people you are trying,albeit unsuccessfully, to debate with? you may want to look at the link below. At least this person had the courage of her convictions.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155574
 
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Sledge, the court system to which you refer is NOT the court of the land. It's a commercial court run under rules of the sea, of the Admiralty. They care NOTHING for the law under which you live. The corporate police, corporate political parties, corporate bankers, corporate local government departments, corporate courts and corporate media are conning you.

Take back your own personal SOVEREIGNTY. Say NO to them. You have that right under the law of the land.

Simple.
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Right, so how does that work? I refuse to pay taxes. When the court summons arrives, I decline to attend. When the police arrive... what? When the big men with big sticks and handcuffs arrive, what do I do? Please stop repeating your theory on how the system should work and tell me how to actually make it work. I follow what you're saying, but so far you've provided no information on how to put this into practice. At this point, all you've provided is a method for getting myself imprisoned.
 
Lothian said:
I don't know. After saying he wouldn't talk to you again he started a new conversation saying "Have a nice day". Thereby consenting to correspond again.
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True but also this is a public forum so by posting here he is giving consent for others to reply.

Unless consent is a one-way street.
 
fitzgibbon said:
Perhaps "urinate" wouldn't offend his sensibilities.

ETA: Or pass water. Or vent your spleen, drain the dragon, walk the dog....
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Dear Essentially,

As a free man, I do not consent to law that would inhibit me from or seek to punish me for.... passing water on your sofa.

Accordingly, I am on my way to your house to do just that.

Explain to me what in what court I could be punished, and under what "law"? I do not recognise - as you yourself do not recognise - the sovereignty or legal powers of any UK court of law, nor their agents in the police or judiciary.
 
(PS: For the record and lest I incur any moderation, I should of course make clear that any expressed intent to urinate is only hypothetical, and intended as an educative illustration of precisely why Essentially's arguments, are, essentially, absurd)
 
Lothian said:
I do not consent to tobacco duty, bingo duty and it is 5 years since I consented to pay stamp duty. I make it a rule to only consent when asked. I call it freedom.
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tsig said:
I do the same. I refuse to pay taxes to the UK, Australia will never get a dime from me. I defy the tax laws of France and the whole of the Europe.
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I have NEVER paid the luxury tax on the purchase of a yacht, and I no longer pay tax on the purchase of cigarettes.

And, Especially, what do you think of the fact that the Constitution of the U.S. provides that the states, not Congress, ratify Constitutional amendments?
 
fitzgibbon said:
So Especially....what's to stop me from coming over and slicing your chesterfield? What's the law that prevents me if I haven't consented to it?
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It seems that he is just recycling insults.

As we used to say at the Drive-In, I think this is where we came in at.
 
Sledge said:
Right, so how does that work? I refuse to pay taxes.
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Let's broaden it from taxes. It's too subtle for this guy. If the argument works at all - if all courts are unlawful - then it works for ALL crime.

Let's all go over to his house and walk our dogs on his sofa. See if he picks up the phone and dials 999 or not.

Essentially - if I showed up at your house, hypothetically intending to... walk my dog on your sofa, in breach of The Law of England, what would you do about it?
 
Lothian said:
So especially. You consent to pay every tax that statute requires. Bit pointless this thread init.
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Why yes it is, but it's a mildly entertaining way to spend a lazy Sunday afternoon or night depending where in the world you are located.
 
So, to conclude, FOTL is just a strange little fantasy concocted by people who really don't want to pay tax (or the capital and/or interest on loans they can no longer afford) but don't want to go to jail so they just pretend online to be rebels.

Perhaps there is a more appropriate sub-forum for this thread?
 
Sledge said:
Right, so how does that work? I refuse to pay taxes. When the court summons arrives, I decline to attend. When the police arrive... what? When the big men with big sticks and handcuffs arrive, what do I do? Please stop repeating your theory on how the system should work and tell me how to actually make it work. I follow what you're saying, but so far you've provided no information on how to put this into practice. At this point, all you've provided is a method for getting myself imprisoned.
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It's quite simple really. It goes something like this:

1. Freeman withdraws consent to council tax
2. Council initiates legal action
3. Freeman recites magic words and phrases
4. Council escalates legal action
5. Freeman consents to council tax
6. Freeman pays council tax
7. Council ceases legal action
8. Success!

Voila! You are now free to troll the interweb!
 
Sledge said:
Right, so how does that work? I refuse to pay taxes. When the court summons arrives, I decline to attend. When the police arrive... what? When the big men with big sticks and handcuffs arrive, what do I do? Please stop repeating your theory on how the system should work and tell me how to actually make it work. I follow what you're saying, but so far you've provided no information on how to put this into practice. At this point, all you've provided is a method for getting myself imprisoned.
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It's not your fault. You are just browsing and are not really interested in your own sovereignty, are you ?

First of all, you do NOT 'refuse' to pay taxes. I've never suggested this, have I ? You make these sweeping assumptions. Why not stop and pay attention to what other people know, for once ? Instead of talking off the top of your head ?

You must consider the offer being given to you. You are fully entitled to accept it (to consent to it) or not. THAT IS YOUR OBLIGATION. If you decline it you can politely reply you not consent. Can't you ? Or are you a jellyfish ? Thanking them for their offer to contract with you, but that you do not require the unquantified goods and services which they are offering. Compare this with your silly idea of 'refusing to pay taxes'. You are declining an offer made in statute/contract law. And if you answer in any other way you are liable to the bill. You may negotiate with them. You may ask them to provide more details of what they are offering. All of this is perfectly normal negotiation. Isn't it ?

You do NOT decline to attend a court hearing. Again, you are plain wrong. You really are not very well informed, are you ? You are given a 'summons'. What is a summons ? Check a law dictionary. It's an invitation given by that commercial court (operating under commercial law) to their place of business. To resolve the issue. Which you do. You attend. So, again, you are wrong.

Nor do the police arrive at your house. This is not a criminal matter. It's a straightforward commercial matter. You are wrong again.

In the court you explain that you are there to resolve the matter. As the representative of the person named on the bill. And you say that you are entitled under the Law of England to decline their offer. Not to consent to it.

But you at no point come under their jurisdiction because you claim, from the outset, that you wish the hearing to be conducted under the Law of England.

Is this simple, or not ?

Thank You
 
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