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REQUEST NUMBER 18

Show us the legislation which imposes on the USA a Federal Income Tax. You can't do it. Nor can your IRS. Nor can anyone. Because it doesn't exist. It's VOLUNTARY.

Wake up sheep and stop being fleeced !! The robots conform. The rest are human beings who know the law.
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Funny how all those tax deniers end up in jail then, isn't it?
 
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The Constitution is not legislation. It is the source of legislation. Any any legislation which does not conform to it is unlawful. By definition. The Federal Income Tax is VOLUNTARY. Get it yet ?

Shall I teach you how to suck eggs ?
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"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/16th_Amendment_Pg1of1_AC.jpg
 
geni said:
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

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Let me help you. Put your reading glasses on.

I have underlined the text where necessary -


]"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

Er, guess what that means ?

1909 !!

Interesting stuff.

Meanwhile, back at the Constitution.........................

LOL !!
 
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]"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

Er, guess what that means ?
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It means that congress doesn't have to worry about how many people there are in a state when levying taxes. It means it can take more tax per person in Maryland than in Mississippi.
 
LissaLysikan said:
It means without counting people and without breaking the tax down by state.
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Will you do yourself and the USA a favour ? Examine the hundreds, thousands of cases in USA law where judges have failed to find ANY law imposing a Federal Income Tax ?

Let me save you some time.

The 16th Amendment was NEVER ratified by vote in the US Congress.

:jaw-dropp

But you didn't tell us this fact, did you ? You were sleeping on the job ! The 16th Amendment does not have the force of law. It never has.

'Game, Set and Match' to the great people of the USA and its wonderful Constitution !!!!! There is NO lawful basis for a Federal Income Tax. None.


Time to Wake Up !!!
 
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The 16th Amendment was NEVER ratified by vote in the US Congress.
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Wrong. http://www.usconstitution.net/constamrat.html#Am16

ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Adoption
Ratification (by the requisite thirty-six states) was completed on February 3, 1913 with the ratification by Delaware. The amendment was subsequently ratified by the following states, bringing the total number of ratifying states to forty-two of the forty-eight then existing:
37. New Mexico (February 3, 1913)
38. Wyoming (February 3, 1913)
39. New Jersey (February 4, 1913)
40. Vermont (February 19, 1913)
41. Massachusetts (March 4, 1913)
42. New Hampshire (March 7, 1913), after rejecting the amendment on March 2, 1911
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Will you do yourself and the USA a favour ? Examine the hundreds, thousands of cases in USA law where judges have failed to find ANY law imposing a Federal Income Tax ?
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There aren't any. Indeed there are quite a few US supreme court cases that state that it does

Let me save you some time.

The 16th Amendment was NEVER ratified by vote in the US Congress.
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It was passed by congress in 1909 and then ratified by various states untill the total required was reached and then exceeded in 1913.
 
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The 16th Amendment was NEVER ratified by vote in the US Congress.
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http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html#_Toc224375598

"This argument has survived over time because proponents mistakenly believe that the courts have refused to address this issue."

"Relevant Case Law:

Miller v. United States, 868 F.2d 236, 241 (7th Cir. 1989) (per curiam) – the court stated, “We find it hard to understand why the long and unbroken line of cases upholding the constitutionality of the sixteenth amendment generally, Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad Company . . . and those specifically rejecting the argument advanced in The Law That Never Was, have not persuaded Miller and his compatriots to seek a more effective forum for airing their attack on the federal income tax structure.” The court imposed sanctions on them for having advanced a “patently frivolous”

position.


United States v. Stahl, 792 F.2d 1438, 1441 (9th Cir. 1986), cert. denied, 479 U.S. 1036 (1987) – stating that “the Secretary of State’s certification under authority of Congress that the sixteenth amendment has been ratified by the requisite number of states and has become part of the Constitution is conclusive upon the courts,” the court upheld Stahl’s conviction for failure to file returns and for making a false statement.


United States v. Foster, 789 F.2d 457 (7th Cir.), cert. denied, 479 U.S. 883 (1986) – the court affirmed Foster’s conviction for tax evasion, failing to file a return, and filing a false W-4 statement, rejecting his claim that the Sixteenth Amendment was never properly ratified.


Socia v. Commissioner, 23 F.3d 941 (5th Cir. 1994) – the court held that defendant’s appeals which challenged Sixteenth Amendment income tax legislation were frivolous and warranted sanctions.


Knoblauch v. Commissioner, 749 F.2d 200, 201 (5th Cir. 1984), cert. denied, 474 U.S. 830 (1986) – the court rejected the contention that the Sixteenth Amendment was not constitutionally adopted as “totally without merit” and imposed monetary sanctions against Knoblauch based on the frivolousness of his appeal. “Every court that has considered this argument has rejected it,” the court observed.


Stearman v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2005-39, 89 T.C.M. (CCH) 823 (2005), aff’d, 436 F.3d 533 (5th Cir. 2006). – the court imposed sanctions totaling $25,000 against the taxpayer for advancing arguments characteristic of tax-protester rhetoric that have been universally rejected by the courts, including arguments regarding the Sixteenth Amendment. In affirming the Tax Court’s holding, the Fifth Circuit granted the government’s request for further sanctions of $6,000 against the taxpayer for maintaining frivolous arguments on appeal, and the Fifth Circuit imposed an additional $6,000 sanctions on its own, for total additional sanctions of $12,000."


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So, here we are again; corrupt judges ignoring the Common Law. What can be done, Especially? What course of action should we take?


(And - as a rider question - assuming what you say is true, what would you say if Congress ratified the amendment tomorrow?)
 
LissaLysikan said:
The law quoted IS a Federal law. Try reading classes. The Constitution gives Congress the power to levy taxes. Congress levied that tax. Done deal.
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I think he's trying to argue that Congress has the power to, but would never levy any taxes ever.
 
You are so funny !!!

Your bluff has been called. And your fakery is exposed.

There is NO law to impose a Federal Income Tax in the USA. The con-men have lied to you with their 16th Amendment. An amendment which was NEVER approved in the first place. See how stupid, how dumb, the sheep are ?

Hahahahahahahahaha !!!
 
Maja said:
So, you made this statement, using a large font. Three posters in a row posted quotes and links to evidence that your statement isn't true. Instead of responding to their posts, you repeat the same statement, again in a large font, but this time followed by a large number of exclamation marks.

I'm impressed by your art of civilized debating. Who needs proof when you have exclamation marks?
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A document was presented here as 'proof' of a Federal Income Tax being imposed on the USA. But the 'proof' is bogus, fake, false.

And now everyone can see the lies and the fraud.

Don't you just love it ? The truth.

The people of the USA are exposing this mafia. You should do the same.

Simple.
 
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Especially, at the risk of an imminent yellow card, I have to tell you that you're talking absolute pish. You're deliberately misconstruing very clear legislation on - as we predicted - the basis that you don't believe that the legislation is valid anyway.

But what I find humorous is that a man complaining about duplicity, fraud, and idiocy has come here under false pretences - talking about the English position, suggesting that he is English - and has now been caught out. It can't be very nice for you, I have to say.
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Don't you just love the 16th Amendment ? The one which was never approved by Congress.

Hilarious :)

But nobody fools you, right ?
 
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The 'proof' of the ratification has been given ?

When will you stop telling lies ? The 16th Amendment was NOT ratified by the US Congress. So much for your 'proof'. You are a faker, a forger, a spreader of lies.

But if you want to believe fiction, go ahead. The rest of the USA just laugh at you for being such an obvious clone.

Keep paying. And paying, and paying, and paying. Because nobody can fool you, right ? Not a cent of that money goes to the USA.
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Since you missed the proof the first three times it was posted, due to your illiteracy, I presume, here it is again:

http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html#_Toc224375598

"5. Contention: The Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution was not properly ratified, thus the federal income tax laws are unconstitutional.

This argument is based on the premise that all federal income tax laws are unconstitutional because the Sixteenth Amendment was not officially ratified, or because the State of Ohio was not properly a state at the time of ratification. This argument has survived over time because proponents mistakenly believe that the courts have refused to address this issue.

The Law: The Sixteenth Amendment provides that Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on income, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. U.S. Const. amend. XVI. The Sixteenth Amendment was ratified by forty states, including Ohio (which became a state in 1803; see Bowman v. United States, 920 F. Supp. 623 n.1 (E.D. Pa. 1995) (discussing the 1953 joint Congressional resolution that confirmed Ohio’s status as a state retroactive to 1803), and issued by proclamation in 1913. Shortly thereafter, two other states also ratified the Amendment. Under Article V of the Constitution, only three‑fourths of the states are needed to ratify an Amendment. There were enough states ratifying the Sixteenth Amendment even without Ohio to complete the number needed for ratification. Furthermore, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the income tax laws enacted subsequent to ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment in Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R., 240 U.S. 1 (1916). Since that time, the courts have consistently upheld the constitutionality of the federal income tax.

Similarly, Robert L. Schulz, along with his organizations, We the People Congress and We the People Foundation, marketed and distributed to customers a fraudulent “Tax Termination Package” supposedly providing a way for taxpayers to legally stop withholding and paying taxes. The scheme was based on a number of false premises, including the claim that the Sixteenth Amendment was not properly ratified. In August 2007, a federal court permanently enjoined Mr. Schulz and his organizations from promoting the scheme. See http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv07595.htm. United States v. Schulz, 529 F.Supp2d 341 (N.D.N.Y. 2007), aff'd 517 F.3d 606 (2nd Cir. 2008), cert. denied, 129 S.Ct. 435 (2008).

In March 2008, a federal court in California permanently barred Steven Hempfling from selling a tax fraud scheme that falsely claims to give customers a legal defense against criminal prosecutions for income tax evasion. The court found that Hempfling sold a “16th Amendment Reliance Program” that falsely promised customers that they could rely on the opinion of an Illinois tax defier, Bill Benson, to stop filing tax returns and to stop paying federal taxes and avoid being convicted of federal tax crimes. The court also barred Hempfling from selling “how-to” manuals that falsely tell customers that IRS tax liens and levies are invalid and that employers are not required to withhold federal income taxes from employees’ pay. See http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv08250.htm.

The IRS issued Revenue Ruling 2005-19, 2005-1 C.B. 819, which discusses this frivolous argument in more detail, warning taxpayers of the consequences of attempting to pursue a claim on these grounds."

NOW can you admit to being a liar and a troll and get back to telling lies about the UK, which is what you wanted to do in this thread in the first place?
 
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Great ! You want to lecture us on your knowledge of the USA and its Constitution, it's laws.

OK, answer me this.

Show us the actual LAW which says the USA can impose a federal income tax.

Let's have your answer.

Show us the facts. The legislation. The law.

Waiting for your reply.
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The sixteenth amendment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

“ The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. ”
 
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