The Freeman Movement and England

[geni]

Tax evasion ? And why do you mention Wat Tyler here ?

Tax IS a fraud. Dumbo. It was a fraud to those who wrote the US Constitution.

The US Constitution is not relivant to the situation in the united kingdom.

It was a fraud when King John wrote Magna Carta. And if you pay as 'tax' a commercial contract without ever realising YOU have the power to decline it by saying NO, then, you are, fast asleep.

King John did write the Magna Carta that was kinda the point.

So you reject post norman law. What about angelo-saxon law? Was angelo-saxon taxation fraud?

You are a low level clone of the system. Defending yourself against your own lack of personal sovereignty. And it shows.

OBEY ! OBEY ! OBEY ! Why, it's coming out of the TV screen every day, and you love it !!

You are aparently under the delusion that I own a TV.

 

[geni]

I stand corrected by the facts you have presented to me. Australia is under the British monarchy. It is ruled by the unelected feudal dynasty of the British monarchy. It is robbing its own people blind.

Australia is under the Australian monarchy normaly represented in the person of the governor-general.

 

[volatile]

What's really sad about all this stuff is that there are lots of really interesting philosophical and historical arguments to be had about the origin of and legitimacy of power, but they all get ignored in favour of this abject lunacy.

 

[Lothian]

Request Number 7

Please show us the actual law, the reference, the date, and the details of the legislation to impose a Federal Income Tax on the USA.

We don't want any more delay. No more bogus references. Please provide the exact and actual documentary evidence.

Thank You

I hope this 13th request is not going to be unlucky. Please just give us one case. [/Paxman]

 

[Especially]

I hope this 13th request is not going to be unlucky. Please just give us one case. [/Paxman]

The bluff has been called.

So here, for the 8th time, is a request to supply the legislation in the USA to impose there a Federal Income Tax.


And we are still waiting.

 

[geni]

I have repeatedly told you that the laws of England must be upheld.

Why do you smear this thread ?

You know perfectly well that the laws of England are NOT those of the Admiralty Law.

So stop messing about.

Thank You

Admiralty Law is a subset of english and welsh law although one little used in this day and age.

 

[Architect]

The bluff has been called.

So here, for the 8th time, is a request to supply the legislation in the USA to impose there a Federal Income Tax.


And we are still waiting.

No, "we" are waiting for you to post a something of substance.

 

[Lothian]

The bluff has been called.

So here, for the 8th time, is a request to supply the legislation in the USA to impose there a Federal Income Tax.


And we are still waiting.

The bluff was called over a day ago.

So here, for the 14th time, is a request to supply a single case where these 'Arguments' have prevailed

And we are still waiting

 

[geni]

Request Number 7

Please show us the actual law, the reference, the date, and the details of the legislation to impose a Federal Income Tax on the USA.

We don't want any more delay. No more bogus references. Please provide the exact and actual documentary evidence.

Thank You

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html#16

Ratified 1913

Taxation is handled by:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/1.html

Passed 1986 and subsiquently modifed as required.

 

[volatile]

The bluff has been called.

So here, for the 8th time, is a request to supply the legislation in the USA to impose there a Federal Income Tax.


And we are still waiting.

Article 1, s8+9 of the US Constitution, and the 16th Amendment thereto. If we are wrong in this assumption (as you think we are), please educate us. Simply gainsaying isn't helping us see the manifest error of our ways.

We all think that Article 1, s8 of the US Constitution and the 16th Amendment thereto allows the imposition of a Federal Income Tax. Why are we wrong?

 

[Especially]

Article 1, s8+9 of the US Constitution, and the 16th Amendment thereto. If we are wrong in this assumption (as you think we are), please educate us. Simply gainsaying isn't helping us see the manifest error of our ways.

We all think that Article 1, s8 of the US Constitution and the 16th Amendment thereto allows the imposition of a Federal Income Tax. Why are we wrong?

Show us the actual legislation. We know the US Constitution. Show us the actual legislation to impose on the USA a Federal Income Tax. It's my 8th consecutive request and we are still waiting.

 

[Lothian]

Show us the actual legislation. We know the US Constitution. Show us the actual legislation to impose on the USA a Federal Income Tax. It's my 8th consecutive request and we are still waiting.

Who are this we of which you talk? Anyway I will see your 8 and raise to 15 times I have asked for a single case. You are not even trying. Oh and by quoting me earlier you consented to answer the question.

 

[Especially]

Who are this we of which you talk? Anyway I will see your 8 and raise to 15 times I have asked for a single case. You are not even trying.

At the risk of repeating myself, please show us the actual legislation to impose on the USA a Federal Income Tax.

Request Number 9

And still waiting

 

[volatile]

Show us the actual legislation. We know the US Constitution. Show us the actual legislation to impose on the USA a Federal Income Tax. It's my 8th consecutive request and we are still waiting.

The constitution is actual legislation. If you're talking abut the specific imposition of a set rate, how about the Revenue Act of 1913, enabled by the 16th Amendment?

By the way, back to England:

What is the point of all this FMOTL stuff if the powers that be can (and will) just ignore it? It does seem that the people on the forum (and you, too) believe that the words somehow magically compel adherence from otherwise evil judges. That's craziness. It's also crazy to think the the NWO are so evil that they will discard The Law of England, but not evil enough to simply ignore a bureaucratic inconvenience that might impede their evilness. Don't you agree?

So what are you advocating? Armed rebellion? Is that it? Anarchy? What do you suggest is the best course of action should a judge gaol a Freeman? If and when it is transgressed, how is the Common Law of England enforced, and by whom?

 

[Lothian]

At the risk of repeating myself, please show us the actual legislation to impose on the USA a Federal Income Tax.

Request Number 9

And still waiting

Request 16 just one case. And still waiting

 

[Especially]

The constitution is the actual legislation.

By the way, back to England:

What is the point of all this FMOTL stuff if the powers that be can (and will) just ignore it? It does seem that the people on the forum (and you, too) believe that the words somehow magically compel adherence from otherwise evil judges. That's craziness. It's also crazy to think the the NWO are so evil that they will discard The Law of England, but not evil enough to simply ignore a bureaucratic inconvenience that might impede their evilness. Don't you agree?

So what are you advocating? Armed rebellion? Is that it? Anarchy? What do you suggest is the best course of action should a judge gaol a Freeman? If and when it is transgressed, how is the Common Law of England enforced, and by whom?

No, the Constitution is NOT the legislation.

The legislation of a nation is in its lawful processes. Show us the legislation to impose on the USA a federal income tax. We want to see the date, the reference and the text.

Request Number 10

And still waiting

 

[uk_dave]

Especially,

There are numerous threads on this forum discussing the delusions of those too greedy to pay any tax. Take it to one of those.

On this thread you have been asked, countless times now, for an example of someone (perhaps even yourself) who has implemented the FOTLer incantation and succeeded in avoiding prosecution/penalty.

You have failed to give such an example. Why is that?

All we need is a name and court details showing just how clever the FOTLer has been in avoiding being treated like the rest of us by the state.

Or is the FOTLer movement just one big fail?

Fess up.

 

[Lothian]

No, the Constitution is NOT the legislation.

The legislation of a nation is in its lawful processes. Show us the legislation to impose on the USA a federal income tax. We want to see the date, the reference and the text.

Request Number 9

and I would like you to provide evidence of one case in the UK (see thread title) where your arguments ahve prevailed. As you pointed out earlier there are 1000s of freemen refusing to consent. I am sure you can find one example where thery have prevailed.

Oh 17 times I have asked. I am starting to develop a seed of doubt in respect of your credibility.

 

[volatile]

No, the Constitution is NOT the legislation.

The legislation of a nation is in its lawful processes. Show us the legislation to impose on the USA a federal income tax. We want to see the date, the reference and the text.

Yes, the Constitution IS the legislation.

The Constitution enables the lawful taking of income tax, right? If you want the first law which put this into practice - the Revenue Act, 1913.

 

[Especially]

Especially,

There are numerous threads on this forum discussing the delusions of those too greedy to pay any tax. Take it to one of those.

On this thread you have been asked, countless times now, for an example of someone (perhaps even yourself) who has implemented the FOTLer incantation and succeeded in avoiding prosecution/penalty.

You have failed to give such an example. Why is that?

All we need is a name and court details showing just how clever the FOTLer has been in avoiding being treated like the rest of us by the state.

Or is the FOTLer movement just one big fail?

Fess up.

Thank you for your suggestion. Since you wish to be ignorant of the law and statutes let me remain focused on the 'system'.

Show us the legislation, the date, and the text to impose on the USA a Federal Income Tax.

Request Number 11

And still counting !