Tony Szamboti
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Don't take it so personal. I was mostly sighing at Tony. Maybe you haven't followed the discussion, but he's had it explained to him, in person, solely for his benefit by numerous posters here. And he still doesn't get it.
Again, this is why "debating" the Truth Movement is futile. Their only weapon is dogged refusal to accept reality.
I welcome Tony to prove me wrong about that last statement by coming to terms with the tilt prior to collapse. Or the inward bowing several minutes before collapse. Most people, having seen actual photographs of these phenomena, don't need to be told a hundred times, but the Truth Movement is special in this respect.
Ryan, I would say you are the one who denies reality.
Your example in your paper on the amount of potential energy used in collapsing the building is ridiculous on it's face to anyone with a strong technical background. You show an example where the collapse acceleration would be 1.7 m/s/s and then go through the math to show that the difference between it and the rate of gravity (9.8 m/s/s) is the resistance of 8.1m/s/s and that it is equal to 81% of the building's potential energy, which would have been used in the destruction.
This little manipulation sounds impressive at first unless one is keen enough to realize that the building structure was designed to hold several times 100% of the potential energy.
The reality is that using the resistance to the continuous acceleration which occurred is not valid to use as a measure of the energy required, as it is not correlated to a calculated amount of energy which would be required to collapse the building. For instance, if demolition devices were used to remove resistance then the actual resistance to free fall acceleration experienced does not account for that.
There is only one way a lesser amount of energy could do the job and that is with concentrated periodic impacts/dynamic loads which require deceleration, which unfortunately for your story is not observed. Your own theory requires huge decelerations from jolts but you don't have any evidence of them, so you then spin a story that the columns weren't involved and the entire upper block fell on the floor slabs, or that there were lots of little jolts, without explaining that the aggregate of these little jolts would have to cause the same velocity loss as one large one due to the same energy dissipation.
These are just some of several misleading type of arguments that you make, and it is hard for me to imagine that you don't know better if you are actually a mechanical engineer.
I am wondering when the majority of honest posters here, who may not suspect the misleading nature of these arguments and/or just don't know better, are going to start figuring it out.
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