The Freeman Movement and England

[D'rok]

Don't believe the tired old lies. Check the reality for yourself. Get in touch with the Common Law of England. You will get a real eye opener.

You keep nattering on about the common law. Any chance you could address this:

I get an extra chuckle out of this UK brand of FOTL woo. Elevating the common law to the supreme law of the land really just means that the unelected judiciary is supreme. Who makes common law? Judges. Who does judicial review? Judges. Who appoints judges in the UK? The Queen on the advice of the PM. Some freedom!

Or this:

Can you describe, in your own words, what the common law is? For simplicity's sake, please stick to English common law.

 

[Especially]

Stupidity on parade - you just quoted a long list of fictional conspiracy theories with a few exceptions. Bank bailouts were real, and Guantanamo Bay was real - but alas, we all know about them and there are no (real) conspiracies with them.

We still await your facts.

Guantanamo Bay is an ILLEGAL regime. Done in your name. UNCONSITUTIONAL. Aren't you ashamed of that ?

Bank bailouts whether you want them or not.

How about the IRS scam ?

How about the corruption of the Congress ? How about the corporate control of printing the Dollar ? How about the Patriot Act and the Constitution ? How about the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan ? How about the lies and more lies of the same tired political elites ? How about the Bush speeches on the New World Order ? How about the links being made between Canada and Mexico and the end of borders ? How about bankrupt America ?

It seems to me that 'a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest'.

Wake up USA !!!

 

[Lothian]

What is the freemen movement's point? I presume that they don't want to pay taxes. So how do we pay for common services like the NHS?

 

[joe911]

But if you want to pay bills to the council for goods and services you have never had described, quantified, and which you never asked for, go ahead. If you CONSENT to this corporate scam, go ahead ! Good luck to you.

If you freeman had your way,we would go back to the middle ages. When i start paying taxes i wond mind some of it going to hospitals/education/roads or anything my council see's fit. Tell me this,if you tripped up because of a broken path,would you seek compensation from the council? Because in theory you have no right to complain about anything you are'nt contributing towards. What happens if you were to collapse right now and be rushed into hospital,and lets say for arguments sake it was life threatening and they saved your life,would you not be thankfull you have this treatment available? Thats something else i dont understand,if you go to some countries in the world they have nothing like we do,you either have to fork out thousands of pounds,or endure the pain,yet you freemen seem to think you are victims somehow so yes,i will CONSENT to taxes,even if I dont personally benefit from them,ill have peace knowing that my money is helping somebody who needs it.

In the real world CONSENT matters. And you don't know the LAW of England, do you ? You've never spent a day examining it. So your nation is torn to pieces and you are hardly aware of how it's happening.

Well one of my best friends is a LAWYER.He spent a long time studying the law ands when i spoke with him about your beleifs he laughed them off. My spidey sense tells me that he knows what he's talking about,and you dont. Why are many freeman now in jail/having court hearings/been charged with various offences if thier beliefs were true?

You don't want a tyranny in this country, do you ? Just keep voting for the same theatre. Don't worry, it's soon here. And you will wonder what happened.

WAKE UP ENGLAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol@ tyrany. You are very privileged to have been born in the western world,some countries really have dictators and have no rights and are opressed. We live lives of luxury here in comparison.

 

[Especially]

You keep nattering on about the common law. Any chance you could address this:



Or this:

Common law is that body of basic law on which the nation exists. It is very ancient. It is that law which is derived from the principle of the Golden Rule. And if a law does not conform to the Common Law it is NOT lawful. It's a bad law. Common Law in England is enough to stop a court case if it is not recognised. THAT IS ITS POWER.

The politicians of Parliaments make lots of 'laws' so-called. None of them are laws. They are STATUTES. A Statute requires the CONSENT of the governed. If Consent is NOT given it is not lawfully binding on that individual. The core of the entire system of law IS the Common Law. Nothing else. NOT on Acts of Parliament.

In Canada, the USA, England, and all nations which have their legal system based on it. The Common Law is the answer to big government. It is the LAW which the lawyers don't like. IT IS YOUR FRIEND. And it has to be asserted to remain free from corporate fraud.

Because sovereignty is impersonated. By a 'sovereign'. So also real law is impersonated by the 'laws' of parliaments. Real law IS the COMMON LAW. And every judge knows it.

The Common Law is superior to all other laws in the legal system. Including the statutes ('laws') of Parliaments.

 

[D'rok]

Common law is that body of basic law on which the nation exists. It is very ancient. It is that law which is derived from the principle of the Golden Rule. And if a law does not conform to the Common Law it is NOT lawful. It's a bad law. Common Law in England is enough to stop a court case if it is not recognised. THAT IS ITS POWER.

The politicians of Parliaments make lots of 'laws' so-called. None of them are laws. They are STATUTES. A Statute requires the CONSENT of the governed. If Consent is NOT given it is not lawfully binding on that individual. The core of the entire system of law IS the Common Law. Nothing else. NOT on Acts of Parliament.

In Canada, the USA, England, and all nations which have their legal system based on it. The Common Law is the answer to big government. It is the LAW which the lawyers don't like. IT IS YOUR FRIEND. And it has to be asserted to remain free from corporate fraud.

Because sovereignty is impersonated. By a 'sovereign'. So also real law is impersonated by the 'laws' of parliaments. Real law IS the COMMON LAW. And every judge knows it.

The Common Law is superior to all other laws in the legal system. Including the statutes ('laws') of Parliaments.

Thank you. One simple follow-up question. Who makes common law?

 

[Especially]

I never got beyond elementary Calculus in college, but I have a degree in History . MY speciality is American History, but I have a pretty good knowledge of English History, and our little friend's knowledge of history is abysmal.
And A Jesuit conpiracy to rule England????God, that kind of rhetoric went out with Oliver Cromwell....

Really ?

In that case you will confirm to us that the deal made between King John of England with the pope in Rome (during the era of Magna Carta) was binding on him and all future kings of England in perpetuity. According to its own text. Sealed by King John. Which meant England and the tax payers of England were forever to pay, each year, big money to the papacy in Rome through all monarchs. There's the truth.

As for the Jesuits, they infiltrated England, big time, and are today running whole areas of our government, our secret services, our mass media, our newspapers, television etc. Haven't heard about it ? Have you heard of the Knights of Columbus and their control of the CIA ? How many directors have been members of that one group ?

Try the website 'Arctic Beacon' ?

Surely you can confirm this to be true. You are a historian. The documented scam of the monarchy and the papacy in alliance in perpetuity. Forever. Says so right in the text ! Assuming of course documentary evidence matters to you, that is. I am also a historian.

 

[drkitten]

In that case you will confirm to us that the deal made between King John of England with the pope in Rome (during the era of Magna Carta)

How quaint. A 13th century Jesuit conspiracy. No doubt the terms were negotiated via cell phone and the documents delivered in PDF format?

 

[geni]

1. The 'head of state' in England is unelected. Right ? It's the monarchy.

Yup. Head of state has no actual power mind. Figurehead head of states are quite common these days.

2. Since 1066 (when the papacy in Rome blessed a full scale invasion of this country) the monarchs have been seen as the 'head of state'. Stooges of the papacy, with tax raising powers. Under penalty if you disobey.

So you think the break is 1066? Problem is that common law is a product of the 1066 invasion.

4. The greatest enemies of democracy and a fair, representative government have always been the unelected system of the monarchy and its elites. It was the monarchy (and I must remind you of this fact) who drove out Thomas Paine, one of the founding fathers of the USA from England. On the orders of the King of England.

No such thing as the king of England by that point and he kinda left due to money issues.

Didn't know that, right ? Around 1800 only a few people could vote in England and they were all land owning lords and aristocrats. Get it yet ?

Lords couldn't vote and suffurage was to be considerable extended starting 1832.

5. The Laws of England are the Common Law of England.

No you've already rejected that position with your rants about 1066. If post 1066 is not legit then neither is common law and you need to turn to Ecclesiastical law and Anglo-Saxon law.

They are laws which must be observed by all governments of England.

There hasn't been a goverment of england in centuries. Parliment is in any case supream and can overule any law.

The laws of England are not made by political parties in Westminster. The Common Law of England is the final appeal against bad legislation. Check it out ! Ask any lawyer, any policeman, any historian, anyone who knows the subject.

I have done. The subject has some interesting elements but they are not what you think.


Where did the US Constitution come from ? That document which the elitists hate ? And who tore it to pieces after 9/11 and gave you a Patriot Act in its place ? You got it !!

7. If an Act of Parliament is made which contradicts the Common Law of England it is bad and can be appealed against and rejected. This happens all the time. Didn't know that, right ? The Acts of Parliament are NOT law. They are acts of Statute. Such a simple thing. But do you realise what that means ? It means you've been suckered, for a long time.

The courts can stall but parliment could just abolish them if they became too annoying. Otherwise the accepted convention is that if the judges do do something that parliment feels inconsistent with the laws it passed parliment passed a new law that makes the situation very clear.

8. Each and every politician elected in England by the people of England MUST give an oath to the unelected monarchy to serve THEM on the very first day he/she sits in Parliament in Westminster. Without which they are fined heavily. Didn't know that, right ? So the counterfeit system carries on acting as 'government'. It's all an illusion. The government of our nation is founded on the Law. On the Constituion. Nothing else.

Said parliament has throw out kings and indeed executed one. It has chosen who should be the next king (William of orange) and has settled the principle that it can pass laws without royal consent (Regency crisis). The idea of the monarch being at this time being anything more than a figurehead is not de-facto nor de-jure defensible.

9. The Parliamentary oath says NOTHING about serving the electorate of England. Nothing ! Didn't know that, right ? Check it out for yourself !

Err is this a problem?

11. The monarchy is a dyanasty nobody, nobody elected. It is also one of the richest, most ruthless, corporate frauds of human history.

Not really. The total weath of the crown isn't actualy that high.

Why, it was the Redcoats of England who invaded the USA. Forgot that ?

I'm british. I'm failing to see a problem with invadeing the US at that point in history.

12. Our nation of England has been tricked in to joining the European Union. An empire which NOBODY in the UK voted for.

1975 Referendum.

13. The 'laws' being used by the police forces of Britain (each of which is a registered corporation) are all STATUTES and they require your consent. So that policemen are now glorified revenue officers. Get it yet ? They hardly know what the Common Law of England is.

Actualy "breach of the peace" is common law and I understand the police have been known to make a fair bit of use of that.

14. Local government in England has long been corrupted.

No it hasn't. That suggests a non corrupt starting point. If anything it has become less corrupt. For example it would now be illegal for a local landowner bribe the council to get what they wanted.

15. In recent years people have started fighting back against this corruption. See for example the 'freeman' movement which exists very widely in the USA, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand and many other countries. See for example the website FMOTL in the UK.

16. It's not that people want 'something for nothing'. It's that people want the Law of England, and NOT corrupt corruptions, parties, stooges and STATUTES to rob us blind.

You want pre 1066 law and yet you dislike the pope. You might want to pay some attention to how Anglo-Saxon law treats offences against the church.

17. If you do not understand that Common Law of England you will never understand how the courts are really places of business, for the CORPORATE system. That's all they are. And always have been.

Err common law was invented by the courts.

18. America taught the world about how to be free of this empire. Now it seems that England must teach you.

Back to the basics. Back to the Common Law of England. Back to real freedom. Because the alternative is a police state and the loss of all your individual freedoms.

Errr are you trying to cite roman law now?

 

[geni]

Really ?

In that case you will confirm to us that the deal made between King John of England with the pope in Rome (during the era of Magna Carta) was binding on him and all future kings of England in perpetuity. According to its own text. Sealed by King John. Which meant England and the tax payers of England were forever to pay, each year, big money to the papacy in Rome through all monarchs. There's the truth.


Surely you can confirm this to be true. You are a historian. The documented scam of the monarchy and the papacy in alliance in perpetuity. Forever. Says so right in the text. Assuming of course that documentary evidence matters to you, that is.

Yes ?

One of the interesting factors of the british consitution is that in perpetuity is not binding. In this case I understand that links with the catholic church kinda broke down around the time of the rule of king Henry VIII.

 

[leafman91]

It's not your fault. You just don't get it, do you ? The scam is that the 'government' (so-called) is rolling all over you. In the name of laws which are UNLAWFUL. If they turn the entire country in to a CCTV empire, with phone taps and intrusions of every kind on the internet, don't worry about it, right ? Gee, how crazy does it get ? Because you are a 'law abiding citizen'. Gee !!! Do you know what the LAW actually IS in this country ?

Does that matter ? Does it matter to you that England no longer exists ? It is already carved up into 9 administrative regions of the EU.

But if you want to pay bills to the council for goods and services you have never had described, quantified, and which you never asked for, go ahead. If you CONSENT to this corporate scam, go ahead ! Good luck to you.

In the real world CONSENT matters. And you don't know the LAW of England, do you ? You've never spent a day examining it. So your nation is torn to pieces and you are hardly aware of how it's happening.

You don't want a tyranny in this country, do you ? Just keep voting for the same theatre. Don't worry, it's soon here. And you will wonder what happened.

WAKE UP ENGLAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to rain on your parade but... your whole idea behind consent for statutes is utter tosh. To be absolutely clear, the form of consent of the governed is in the voting for your local Parliament representative, who is paid to listen carefully to the opinions of the population residing within his area. If he doesn't listen, then the people vote him out, and he loses his job, giving him/her incentive to listen to their respective masses. These representatives then argue their viewpoints over laws to be passed. Your consent is given on your behalf by your local parliament representative for the law to be passed. Very simple. Unfortunately, your talk of George Bush's NWO speeches are equally as trashed up. New World Order happens to be a political term referring to a big change in world politics. Unfortunately, evidence of a One World Government is completely lost on me, as I've seen most of it disproven already. That's your first job. Your second is to wake up, as you have been telling the rest of us. Your talk of a puppet theatre Parliament needs to have hard evidence behind it. Where is all this corruption? Please don't quote the expenses scandal, as this is entirely unrelated to your claims of corporate control. Yes, everything is done under the Crownn. This is why the Queen is a figurehead. This is what the figurehead does. It seems to me that 'a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest'. I believe you are quite familiar with that one.

Try evidence next time, please.

 

[Especially]

If you freeman had your way,we would go back to the middle ages. When i start paying taxes i wond mind some of it going to hospitals/education/roads or anything my council see's fit. Tell me this,if you tripped up because of a broken path,would you seek compensation from the council? Because in theory you have no right to complain about anything you are'nt contributing towards. What happens if you were to collapse right now and be rushed into hospital,and lets say for arguments sake it was life threatening and they saved your life,would you not be thankfull you have this treatment available? Thats something else i dont understand,if you go to some countries in the world they have nothing like we do,you either have to fork out thousands of pounds,or endure the pain,yet you freemen seem to think you are victims somehow so yes,i will CONSENT to taxes,even if I dont personally benefit from them,ill have peace knowing that my money is helping somebody who needs it.


Well one of my best friends is a LAWYER.He spent a long time studying the law ands when i spoke with him about your beleifs he laughed them off. My spidey sense tells me that he knows what he's talking about,and you dont. Why are many freeman now in jail/having court hearings/been charged with various offences if thier beliefs were true?



Lol@ tyrany. You are very privileged to have been born in the western world,some countries really have dictators and have no rights and are opressed. We live lives of luxury here in comparison.

Until you have read about this subject I don't blame you for writing as you do. I thought the very same for a long time. Till I finally decided to check these things out.

Something is badly wrong in this nation. And guess what it is ? The system itself. It's corrupt from top to bottom. And you should know about it. Because people everywhere are waking up to reality. You should too.

Ask your lawyer friend one question. Do yourself a favour. Ask him if Statutes made by Parliament require the consent of the governed.

Just that question.

And if he answers ask him another. The Common Law of England. This law is the supreme law of England. Yes, or no ?

Your money is helping nobody. Since the government in a single year receives nearly 10 times what it spends on the people of this nation. Check it out. The government of this nation are those who are under the law of England. The Common Law of England. Not its impersonation. Its corporate revenue collectors who, without your own consent, fleece you from the day you are born till the day you die. In the name of the 'law'. It's a scam you are hardly aware of. And it has nothing to do with the Law.


Thank You

 

[LightinDarkness]

Guantanamo Bay is an ILLEGAL regime. Done in your name. UNCONSITUTIONAL. Aren't you ashamed of that ?

Bank bailouts whether you want them or not.

How about the IRS scam ?

How about the corruption of the Congress ? How about the corporate control of printing the Dollar ? How about the Patriot Act and the Constitution ? How about the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan ? How about the lies and more lies of the same tired political elites ? How about the Bush speeches on the New World Order ? How about the links being made between Canada and Mexico and the end of borders ? How about bankrupt America ?

It seems to me that 'a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest'.

Wake up USA !!!

Wake up FOTL Sheeple!!!

Guantanamo bay is not illegal, although depending on ones political preferences they may not support it. This does not make it a conspiracy. I am not ashamed of it at all, but I am ashamed of FOTLers.

What corruption in Congress? Links and facts, not CT propaganda. What about the Patriot Act? It was passed by Congress and the Supreme Court has heard cases about it and never ruled it unconstitutional. There was no illegal invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan, unless you think the UN is illegal. There is no "political elite" doing anything, its a conspiracy fantasy. There are no links being made between Canada and Mexico, but if they want to its their right to do so as soverign countries. There have been no speeches on the conspiracy you think of as the NWO. The phrase "new world order" is political rhetoric. The US is not bankrupt, thats a conspiracy fantasy.

Indeed, it seems as though you hear what you want to hear and ignore all the FACTS.

 

[Especially]

Sorry to rain on your parade but... your whole idea behind consent for statutes is utter tosh. To be absolutely clear, the form of consent of the governed is in the voting for your local Parliament representative, who is paid to listen carefully to the opinions of the population residing within his area. If he doesn't listen, then the people vote him out, and he loses his job, giving him/her incentive to listen to their respective masses. These representatives then argue their viewpoints over laws to be passed. Your consent is given on your behalf by your local parliament representative for the law to be passed. Very simple. Unfortunately, your talk of George Bush's NWO speeches are equally as trashed up. New World Order happens to be a political term referring to a big change in world politics. Unfortunately, evidence of a One World Government is completely lost on me, as I've seen most of it disproven already. That's your first job. Your second is to wake up, as you have been telling the rest of us. Your talk of a puppet theatre Parliament needs to have hard evidence behind it. Where is all this corruption? Please don't quote the expenses scandal, as this is entirely unrelated to your claims of corporate control. Yes, everything is done under the Crownn. This is why the Queen is a figurehead. This is what the figurehead does. It seems to me that 'a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest'. I believe you are quite familiar with that one.

Try evidence next time, please.

What a collection of fictions !

You seem to ignore the fact that an MP gives up any pretence of SERVING the people when he gives an oath to the MONARCHY !!!

Earth calling England, Earth calling England !!!!!

 

[Especially]

Wake up FOTL Sheeple!!!

Guantanamo bay is not illegal, although depending on ones political preferences they may not support it. This does not make it a conspiracy. I am not ashamed of it at all, but I am ashamed of FOTLers.

What corruption in Congress? Links and facts, not CT propaganda. What about the Patriot Act? It was passed by Congress and the Supreme Court has heard cases about it and never ruled it unconstitutional. There was no illegal invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan, unless you think the UN is illegal. There is no "political elite" doing anything, its a conspiracy fantasy. There are no links being made between Canada and Mexico, but if they want to its their right to do so as soverign countries. There have been no speeches on the conspiracy you think of as the NWO. The phrase "new world order" is political rhetoric. The US is not bankrupt, thats a conspiracy fantasy.

Indeed, it seems as though you hear what you want to hear and ignore all the FACTS.

You are not ashamed of Guantanamo Bay ?

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What sort of person are you to allow people to be imprisoned without charge ? Still waiting for trial after all these years ? Nonsense !

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The Patriot Act has been found to be UNCONSITUTIONAL in courts all across the USA. Check it out. It's an evil nonsense. Hatched out of Jesuit Georgetown University. Throw it in the bin. And get back to the USA Constitution. Fools !

If the USA is not bankrupt how come the bailout was a giant fraud ?

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You are very new here, so I'm going to request that you re-read your membership agreement, especially Rule 12: “Attack the argument, not the arguer." Having your opinion, claim or argument challenged, doubted or dismissed is not attacking the arguer. Thank you.

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[LightinDarkness]

What a collection of fictions !

You seem to ignore the fact that an MP gives up any pretence of SERVING the people when he gives an oath to the MONARCHY !!!

Earth calling England, Earth calling England !!!!!

Actually hes quite right. The myth that there is some difference between common law and statutes and that you can choose to "opt out" of statutes is a FOTL fiction.

Any oath to the monarch is part of England's tradition, the Monarch holds no more power than any other ceremonial head of state.

 

[LightinDarkness]

You are not ashamed of Guantanamo Bay ? You are one messed up guy ! You should hide in a bush. You are a disgrace. What sort of person are you to allow people to be imprisoned without charge ? Still waiting for trial after all these years ? Nonsense ! Your'e a bunch of bandits. You are a bunch of rambos and the world hates you. With good reason. You are a disgrace to the great Constitution of the USA. And to your own legal system which has 4 times condemned Guantanamo Bay.

The Patriot Act has been found to be UNCONSITUTIONAL in courts all across the USA. Check it out. It's an evil nonsense. Hatched out of Jesuit Georgetown University. Throw it in the bin. And get back to the USA Constitution. Fools !

If the USA is not bankrupt how come the bailout was a giant fraud ?

You are swimming in sewage. You do not see your own moral, political, economic bankruptcy.

You making up lies is not going to change the reality. The patriot act has NEVER been found to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL, please stop lying. Link the exact court cases or admit you are a liar.

You are living in a delusional fantasy world. I am ashamed of you, what kind of a despicable person thinks that the laws don't apply to them? You are a disgrace.

The USA is not bankrupt, the bank bailout was not a fraud. You are living in a fantasy world fueled by populist hysteria that has no regard for the FACTS. You do not seem to be capable of depicting FOTL lies from reality. For example: it is completely OK to disagree with Guantanamo Bay as a policy - this is normal and valid. It make you an insane nutter to believe that its an conspiratorial operation.

 

[joe911]

You are not ashamed of Guantanamo Bay ? You are one messed up guy ! You should hide in a bush. You are a disgrace. What sort of person are you to allow people to be imprisoned without charge ? Still waiting for trial after all these years ? Nonsense ! Your'e a bunch of bandits. You are a bunch of rambos and the world hates you. With good reason. You are a disgrace to the great Constitution of the USA. And to your own legal system which has 4 times condemned Guantanamo Bay.

No,your right. Because the terrorists dont consent to been arrested they are free,right? I mean,the CORPORATION made conspiracy to commit terrorism ILLEGAL.BUT it turns out its only a STATUTE so osama and his buddies are ALLOWED to make bombs,conspire to harm innocent civilians,aslong as they dont actually go and carry it out,right?

You seriously need to re-evaluate your beliefs,sir. People arent just taken to guantanamo for anything,they must be a genuine threat to society.

 

[LightinDarkness]

No,your right. Because the terrorists dont consent to been arrested they are free,right? I mean,the CORPORATION made conspiracy to commit terrorism ILLEGAL.BUT it turns out its only a STATUTE so osama and his buddies are ALLOWED to make bombs,conspire to harm innocent civilians,aslong as they dont actually go and carry it out,right?

You seriously need to re-evaluate your beliefs,sir. People arent just taken to guantanamo for anything,they must be a genuine threat to society.

Well you know, OBL is just a freedom fighter, joe911. Its the US government's fault for oppressing him and the CIA using him as a false flag operation.

 

[dudalb]

The OP is headed for a short career at JREF if he continues on the path he is going down.