The Freeman Movement and England

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Yes, certainly. If you do a websearch for -

Parliamentary Oath

You will see the text. There is a FINE, daily, for any member of Parliament who sits in Westminster and who does not swear his/her allegiance to the Monarchy. That oath says NOTHING about serving the people or the nation. Nothing at all.

If you still can't find it please write again.

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In my city there's a law that says there's a fine for riding a camel on Sunday. Seriously. I can't for the life of me find any record of anybody being fined for that though.
 
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But I've already told you I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Right ? Why do you make the silly mistake of saying I am one ?

These are plain facts of history, supported by the documents of history. They are not even in dispute.
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Tell me again how the pope is in charge of England. I bet the Queen and the Archbishop of Canterbury would be interestted in hearing that one.
 
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If the analogy to the US version holds, perhaps that cross is off by 90 degrees.

Some of the US freemen types claim that the US flag with horizontal stripes is actually a solely military flag, so anyone displaying it is under non-common law jurisdiction and so on. The real "flag of peace" has vertical stripes.

As I recall, one basis for this belief comes from a passage in Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter, so... well...

Anyway, maybe the "real" flag has the cross longer vertically than horizontally...
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It's been quite a while since I've been in a courtroom but I don't recall any flags.
 
If you are a law abiding citizen, you have nothing to worry about. Look at all the conspiracy theorists who turned into freemen and stopped paying taxes,car insurance,etc.. and are now in trouble with the law,but they have deluded beliefs of the law and that only gets them into more trouble. My friend is a lawyer and i asked him about some of the freemen beliefs and he laughed and said it was the most ridiculous thing he had ever heard.

I can understand why,in certain circumstances,that people would'nt want to pay taxes for example if someone doesnt own a tv,they shouldnt pay the liscence fee. But to stop paying all taxes is unfair. If you were to be hit by a car and had to be rushed to hospital for emergancy treatment,do you think it is fair that tax payers pay for your treatment? On another note there is one freeman belief that troubles me,the "you dont need a liscence to drive" thats totally unacceptable by anyones standards.

Another thing id like to ask you. What did you think about when promenant freeman darren pollard was arrested,and then "accepted his invitation" to appear in court,because by your beliefs he was well within his rights to refuse the "invitation". Dont you think this seriously damages your movements credibilty?
 
ktesibios said:
IIRC, it's the monarch who is head of state, i.e., the symbolic figurehead, and the prime minister is head of government.

Here in the USA we have both roles combined, with the result that we elect a President and then expect the poor ***** to be an effective political leader and a plaster statue all at the same time.

Sometimes I've wondered if it might not be better to tell the President "just run the damn gummint and don't go getting above yourself" and just hire some repectable old granny to do the ribbon-cuttings, medal-pinnings, platitude-spewings and so forth.
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It's all illusion. You have your great Constitution. The Common Law.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XG_xN666t4&feature=PlayList&p=DE953276003C6F1A&index=14
 
twinstead said:
I thought the prime minister was the head of state the monarchy was just a traditional figurehead? Did I miss something in English history class?
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The First Lord of the Treasury (which is the official position held by the prime Minister) is the Head of Government, the monarch is the head of State- the Head of State has no real power under the UK constitutional settlement.
 
Lothian said:
So your knowledge of maths is poor as well.
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I never got beyond elementary Calculus in college, but I have a degree in History . MY speciality is American History, but I have a pretty good knowledge of English History, and our little friend's knowledge of history is abysmal.
And A Jesuit conpiracy to rule England????God, that kind of rhetoric went out with Oliver Cromwell....
 
geni said:
It's been quite a while since I've been in a courtroom but I don't recall any flags.
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In the US, almost every courtroom has an American flag and the flag of whatever state the courtroom is in on display.
 
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Where did you get your 'education' from ? Everything I have said is true. And it's all documentary FACT.
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This is another CT classic - you think just because you spout off the delusions you want to believe that this makes it true. You have presented nothing that is FACT, and so far you have presented LIE after LIE. We await the facts.

I assure you my education is far, far better than breathlessly watching a bunch of youtube FOTL videos and thinking that it must be true because I want it to be true.
 
joe911 said:
If you are a law abiding citizen, you have nothing to worry about. Look at all the conspiracy theorists who turned into freemen and stopped paying taxes,car insurance,etc.. and are now in trouble with the law,but they have deluded beliefs of the law and that only gets them into more trouble. My friend is a lawyer and i asked him about some of the freemen beliefs and he laughed and said it was the most ridiculous thing he had ever heard.

I can understand why,in certain circumstances,that people would'nt want to pay taxes for example if someone doesnt own a tv,they shouldnt pay the liscence fee. But to stop paying all taxes is unfair. If you were to be hit by a car and had to be rushed to hospital for emergancy treatment,do you think it is fair that tax payers pay for your treatment? On another note there is one freeman belief that troubles me,the "you dont need a liscence to drive" thats totally unacceptable by anyones standards.

Another thing id like to ask you. What did you think about when promenant freeman darren pollard was arrested,and then "accepted his invitation" to appear in court,because by your beliefs he was well within his rights to refuse the "invitation". Dont you think this seriously damages your movements credibilty?
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It's not your fault. You just don't get it, do you ? The scam is that the 'government' (so-called) is rolling all over you. In the name of laws which are UNLAWFUL. If they turn the entire country in to a CCTV empire, with phone taps and intrusions of every kind on the internet, don't worry about it, right ? Gee, how crazy does it get ? Because you are a 'law abiding citizen'. Gee !!! Do you know what the LAW actually IS in this country ?

Does that matter ? Does it matter to you that England no longer exists ? It is already carved up into 9 administrative regions of the EU.

But if you want to pay bills to the council for goods and services you have never had described, quantified, and which you never asked for, go ahead. If you CONSENT to this corporate scam, go ahead ! Good luck to you.

In the real world CONSENT matters. And you don't know the LAW of England, do you ? You've never spent a day examining it. So your nation is torn to pieces and you are hardly aware of how it's happening.

You don't want a tyranny in this country, do you ? Just keep voting for the same theatre. Don't worry, it's soon here. And you will wonder what happened.

WAKE UP ENGLAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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geni said:
It's been quite a while since I've been in a courtroom but I don't recall any flags.
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They have them in US court rooms, although I am not sure if its just a court by court decision whether to put them there or if its only in higher courts that they bother with it. But the FOTL woo on flags gets to be quite hilarious. The US FOTLers believe that any flags that use a pole with a eagle on the top is a sign that the court is under admiralty law. The truth is, of course, that its just a pretty little embellishments that some flag poles have and some do not. But to those of the Freeman delusion, it means that you are under admiralty law and approaching the bench is in effect getting on a boat, removing yourself from common law.

It would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact that some people really believe this stuff.
 
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Wrong ! NO parliament has the power to override the constitution of the nation. They only have the power to make Statutes. NOT to write and re-write the Constitution which keeps them in check ! This is basic fact.

The members of Parliament are elected to SERVE the Constitution and the sovereignty of its people and NOT to change the very rules that are its Constitution. As I have already said, the LAW of England is found in the Common Law of England. NOT in the affairs (the statutes) made by Parliament.
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Let me guess: You spend Sunday afternoons on a soapbox at Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park, right?
 
LightinDarkness said:
This is another CT classic - you think just because you spout off the delusions you want to believe that this makes it true. You have presented nothing that is FACT, and so far you have presented LIE after LIE. We await the facts.

I assure you my education is far, far better than breathlessly watching a bunch of youtube FOTL videos and thinking that it must be true because I want it to be true.
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Banker bailouts, corrupt judges, politicians, 9/11 whitewash, New World Order speeches from Presidents and Prime Minsters, the Patriot Act, the anti-gun lobby, the rise of the corporate police, the corporate money printers, Guantanamo Bay, the 'weapons of mass destruction' and the power of the military/industrial complex with phone taps, restrictions, and the mass media nonsense news.

No. Nobody's fooling you. For sure !

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You spamming the boards when there is already now multiple threads about this will not change the reality that Freeman delusions are not based in reality.

But you make another excellent example of a cornerstone of the freeman belief system: this obsession and hatred with "corporations." You hate them because you equate them with "big business" and don't understand that all "corporation" means is a legal entity that exists for a practical and good purpose. Yes, its true - governments ARE CORPORATIONS! GASP! And no, it has nothing to do with them making money and its actually a great thing if you would stop reading CT woo and actually look up the facts on what that means.

A corporation exists (among other things) so that if an organization needs to be held accountable in a court of law it can be done without charging everyone who is associated with that organization. That means if I wanted to bring a lawsuit against the US government I can sue the corporation without hauling every member of the executive branch, Congress, and the Supreme Court in - and this is a good thing, because without this it would ensure no one ever worked for a government or held office ever.
 
Someone should clue in our Great Goddess of Legaltainment about the amusement to be had in this thread.
 
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Banker bailouts, corrupt judges, politicians, 9/11 whitewash, New World Order speeches from Presidents and Prime Minsters, the Patriot Act, the anti-gun lobby, the rise of the corporate police, the corporate money printers, Guantanamo Bay, the 'weapons of mass destruction' and the power of the military/industrial complex with phone taps, restrictions, and the mass media nonsense news.

No. Nobody's fooling you. For sure !

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Stupidity on parade - you just quoted a long list of fictional conspiracy theories with a few exceptions. Bank bailouts were real, and Guantanamo Bay was real - but alas, we all know about them and there are no (real) conspiracies with them.

We still await your facts.
 
brodski said:
The First Lord of the Treasury (which is the official position held by the prime Minister) is the Head of Government, the monarch is the head of State- the Head of State has no real power under the UK constitutional settlement.
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Really ?

And if you own land you soon find out that the land is actually in control of the Crown, right ? Found any coins on it recently ? The great feudal land scam of England.

The monarchy has tremendous power in the UK. 'No real power' ? Care to check the actual powers of the monarchy ? DVLA issues licences for vehicles. Under the Crown. That's just one of 1000 examples. You are of course a SUBJECT of the unelected monarchy. Look at your own passport.

So, who is sovereign ? The people or the 'sovereign' ?

And who is in union with the EU without any mandate from the people ? Why ! It's the UK - UK PLC.

Gee ! I never thought of that !!!!

Don't believe the tired old lies. Check the reality for yourself. Get in touch with the Common Law of England. You will get a real eye opener.

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It's not your fault. You just don't get it, do you ? The scam is that the 'government' (so-called) is rolling all over you. In the name of laws which are UNLAWFUL. If they turn the entire country in to a CCTV empire, with phone taps and intrusions of every kind on the internet, don't worry about it, right ? Gee, how crazy does it get ? Because you are a 'law abiding citizen'. Gee !!! Do you know what the LAW actually IS in this country ?

Does that matter ? Does it matter to you that England no longer exists ? It is already carved up into 9 administrative regions of the EU.

But if you want to pay bills to the council for goods and services you have never had described, quantified, and which you never asked for, go ahead. If you CONSENT to this corporate scam, go ahead ! Good luck to you.

In the real world CONSENT matters. And you don't know the LAW of England, do you ? You've never spent a day examining it. So your nation is torn to pieces and you are hardly aware of how it's happening.

You don't want a tyranny in this country, do you ? Just keep voting for the same theatre. Don't worry, it's soon here. And you will wonder what happened.

WAKE UP ENGLAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Especially, I find it strange that you wrote this after quoting three paragraphs of text by joe911 in which he asked you some specific questions, but nothing you wrote was actually a response to anything he said or asked.
 
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