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A fundy committed suicide.

ProbeX said:
Usually there are several stressors that lead to suicide. But if I had to guess about some common denominators, based on your description, I'd say Bipolar I (the manic phase of it), or paranoid schizophrenia. Not sure why, but both often include heavy fixations on religion; especially of the "brimstone and fire" variety.

The manic phase of Bipolar I can actually resemble paranoid schizophrenia. Did he always appear revved up and hyper-religious? Were there ever times when you saw him that he seemed more more quiet and withdrawn; maybe even depressed? Was he violent, or generally calm? Did you know for sure he was a lawyer, or did he just claim that? Sorry about all the questions. I don't expect all these to be answered. Mostly just thinking out loud.

Another more obvious possibility, again given his extreme chattiness and religious ideation, could be an untreated form of epilepsy ( ... of the temporal lobe).

Forgot to add: Bookitty asked about his wife: why would she stay with him? I'm thinking that might point more toward Bipolar I. That would mean there were likely times when he didn't act crazy, which might have been an incentive for her to stay and hope her husband got better. This is all guesswork LOL.
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Every time I saw this individual he looked strange. Something in his eyes and even the way he walked. He was never at ease and he never shut up. When he was with a vocal non believer he would latch on to that person like he did me and nothing and I do mean nothing would shut him up. I've seen people on drugs act like him but I never heard about him doing drugs. Youd have to have seen this pathetic excuse of a human being to know what I'm talking aobut. I don't know how he got through law school.

One of his tactics was this. Youd tell him you didn't believe in god and then he'd say "well you just keep thinking like that" in an ominous tone of voice and then stalk away mad only come come back a few minutes later and start in again. He latched onto me because I'm very vocally against religion. I initially tried to reason with him and then I got mad. Nothing worked. He let up only after he was banned from every bar in town and th restaurant owner threatened to call the police. I personally didn't think calling the police would do any good but apparently it worked for the owners.

I feel that his parents should have realised he had a problem nad got him to a doctor but thats not what happened.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
Is it? And how much does that have to do with areas that figure it must have been some accident if there was no note?

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My thoughts were based on a suicide at the company I worked for about 10 years ago. Initially they could not find a note, but the police insisted we turn the place upside down to try and find something.... And one did turn up

A very grizzly affair :(
 
I actually know of another strange case of suicide. A man with two daughters who was gainfully employed and married to a woman who loved him came into the living room, kissed his daughters on the cheek and said "I love you girls" He went into his room and the girls heard a gunshot. He had shot hmself in the mouth with a rifle. No note, nothing. This happened to a girl I knew at work.
 
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Do Fundamentalist christians normally have guns?

That's stupid question. The two conditions are unrelated to one another.


It's not a stupid question to me, I can still remember my JW friends being sent to bed with no tea because they were biting their toast into the *shape* of guns and pretending to shoot each other...
 
Cainkane1 said:
Ok so why do you guys think he did it? Did God want him in Heaven right then and there? Was he mentally deranged? What?
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This has to be one of the most ignorant and insensitive threads ever started on this forum. I can deal with the skeptics here that pose faux "questions" about religion; particularly about the Bible. Questions that are nothing more than bait, hoping a Christian will engage so that said skeptic(s) can get their ideological rocks off and "prove" the folly of the religious.

Here are some delightful examples:

Did Jesus did not know the date of his return?
He Died to Save Us From Our Sins. Huh?
My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Most, if not all of these threads devolve into a skeptic's grab-a** party where one skeptic high-fives another in a triumphalist display of their unmatched brilliance while they simultaneously mock the poor, illogical, and quite delusional believer. Lather, rinse, repeat...ad infinitum.

What I cannot accept is why another human being would choose to delight in the pain and suffering of another by cracking jokes, for any reason, or turn such a tragedy into an opportunity to impugn the individual.

People connected with Skepticism, Christianity, Judaism, Rotary Club, Athletes, and any other group you can think of can commit suicide. I can remember a prominent atheist connected to Infidels who committed suicide a few years ago. I also remember the sorrow I felt for him and his friends and family when I read about it. Never did I feel the need to drag him through the mud for his beliefs, or lack thereof. He was a REAL person who's reach extended to people that loved and cared for him and they have to carry the burdens of his death with them for the rest of their lives.

In short, you sir or maam are a disgusting human being.

I hope whatever pleasure your post provided you was worth it.
 
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uruk said:
All the fundamentalist that I know of in Texas have guns.
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Righto, I'll change my opinion on fundamentalist christians and guns.

I now know I will never understand fundamentalist christians.

Or Americans.

Hell, let's just go for: humans.
 
Blutarsky said:
This has to be one of the most ignorant and insensitive threads ever started on this forum. I can deal with the skeptics here that pose faux "questions" about religion; particularly about the Bible. Questions that are nothing more than bait, hoping a Christian will engage so that said skeptic(s) can get their ideological rocks off and "prove" the folly of the religious.

Here are some delightful examples:

Did Jesus did not know the date of his return?
He Died to Save Us From Our Sins. Huh?
My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Most, if not all of these threads devolve into a skeptic's grab-a** party where one skeptic high-fives another in a triumphalist display of their unmatched brilliance while they simultaneously mock the poor, illogical, and quite delusional believer. Lather, rinse, repeat...ad infinitum.

What I cannot accept is why another human being would choose to delight in the pain and suffering of another by cracking jokes, for any reason, or turn such a tragedy into an opportunity to impugn the individual.

People connected with Skepticism, Christianity, Judaism, Rotary Club, Athletes, and any other group you can think of can commit suicide. I can remember a prominent atheist connected to Infidels who committed suicide a few years ago. I also remember the sorrow I felt for him and his friends and family when I read about it. Never did I feel the need to drag him through the mud for his beliefs, or lack thereof. He was a REAL person who's reach extended to people that loved and cared for him and they have to carry the burdens of his death with them for the rest of their lives.

In short, you sir or maam are a disgusting human being.

I hope whatever pleasure your post provided you was worth it.
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Who has cracked a joke in this thread? I think your sanctimonius attitude has clouded your ability to understand other people.
 
CriticalSock said:
Righto, I'll change my opinion on fundamentalist christians and guns.

I now know I will never understand fundamentalist christians.

Or Americans.

Hell, let's just go for: humans.
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Remember the American brand of fundamentalisim also has more than a dash of politicalisim in it. Especially the Texas brand of fundies. "4th amendment all the way"! "Separation of church and state is Satan's amendment, except for the part about church tax exemptions! "Put Jesus in the white house" and all that crap.

You see big pickups with a bumper sticker on one side saying "Jesus is my copilot" and "you can pry my gun from my cold dead hands" on the other.

Guns and god. It's fan-tastic!!!
 
Blutarsky said:
This has to be one of the most ignorant and insensitive threads ever started on this forum.

In short, you sir or maam are a disgusting human being.

I hope whatever pleasure your post provided you was worth it.
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Cainkane1's question was genuine and his OP sounds sincere. He seems clearly affected by a startling and dramatic event that happened to people he knew personally (his like or dislike of the person who killed himself being irrelevant), and was curious to hear the thoughts of people (JREF Forum members) he regularly communicates with. The thread doesn't appear to have been started to derive pleasure, but in the hope of gaining a little insight. I think your insults here are way out of line.
 
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CriticalSock said:
Righto, I'll change my opinion on fundamentalist christians and guns.

I now know I will never understand fundamentalist christians.

Or Americans.

Hell, let's just go for: humans.
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Well remember that in the US the republican party is about the three G's.

God, Guns and Gays.
 
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CriticalSock said:
Who has cracked a joke in this thread? I think your sanctimonius attitude has clouded your ability to understand other people.
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I'll let others be the judge of whether asking questions such as:

Ok so why do you guys think he did it? Did God want him in Heaven right then and there?
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encompasses joking, if not outright ridicule.

Just as many of the "questions" posted by those in the religion forum are simply a ruse and simply opportunity to back-slap, "questions" such as these are only thinly veiled barbs directed at a religious person.

Never. I repeat, NEVER on this forum would you see "questions" akin to these asked of a skeptic who committed suicide.
 
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Marduk said:
some assisting links for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/think/articles/sense-humour
also, my personal favourite (this month only)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pithy
:p
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Yes. Don't we all enjoy a good knee slapper about suicide?

BTW, I was just informed by one of your fellow skeptics that no one was utilizing this for humor. So which is it?

As I stated earlier, I doubt the same satire would be visited upon a skeptic around here.
 
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Blutarsky said:
I'll let others be the judge of whether asking questions such as:

Ok so why do you guys think he did it? Did God want him in Heaven right then and there?
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encompasses joking, if not outright ridicule.
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I read this as a serious and concerned question about the poor unfortunate man who killed himself from someone who has no respect for religion.

Blutarsky said:
Just as many of the "questions" posted by those in the religion forum are simply a ruse and simply opportunity to back-slap, "questions" such as these are only thinly veiled barbs directed at a religious person.

Never. I repeat, NEVER on this forum would you see "questions" akin to these asked of a skeptic who committed suicide.
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How would you phrase such a question?
 
CriticalSock said:
I read this as a serious and concerned question about the poor unfortunate man who killed himself from someone who has no respect for religion.
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And apparently no respect for the individual who committed suicide, or his family. I can't bestow upon you the common sense required to see the obvious regarding the OP. If you think loaded questions about God wanting him back home as a reason for his suicide are appropriate, so be it. I would hope that as a matter of decency the ideologues on this site could put away their swords for once and have some compassion. I suppose I was wrong.


How would you phrase such a question?
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Let me be abundantly clear. I have never, and will never expect to see a thread entitled "A skeptic committed suicide" in tandem with questions intimating that his skepticism or lack of belief played a part in his demise. Does my query still confuse you or is this double standard that hard to see?
 
Blutarsky said:
And apparently no respect for the individual who committed suicide, or his family. I can't bestow upon you the common sense required to see the obvious regarding the OP. If you think loaded questions about God wanting him back home as a reason for his suicide are appropriate, so be it. I would hope that as a matter of decency the ideologues on this site could put away their swords for once and have some compassion. I suppose I was wrong.
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I have no trouble separating the man and his beliefs, it's not common sense that makes you see the OP the way you do.

For example, I hate clowns, but if I heard about a clown that had committed suicide I would feel remorse about the death of the man. But I'd still hate clowns.


Blutarsky said:
Let me be abundantly clear. I have never, and will never expect to see a thread entitled "A skeptic committed suicide" in tandem with questions intimating that his skepticism or lack of belief played a part in his demise. Does my query still confuse you or is this double standard that hard to see?
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Do you mean atheist when you say skeptic? I don't get the correlation otherwise. Either way, I would expect to see the same degree of compassion for the person as expressed in this thread, and also the same degree of ridicule for any stupid ideas or beliefs which had led said sceptic to take his own life. (If that was indeed the case in this instance).
 
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Darth Rotor said:
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Depends. I recently learned that what I thought the teachings on that were was wrong, so I look at the hundreds of denominations and figure that you have to ask each sect on their perspective.
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You are full of answers. That is a good point...
Starthinker said:
I thought only Catholics believed suicide was an unpardonable sin. I was raised Baptist, had 4 Baptist preachers in the family and none of them believed that.
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That explains it. My limited experience is with Catholicism or nondenominational (what a sellout that is).
 
willhaven said:
Plenty of people kill themselves because of emotional stress.
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Does that not count as "pain" to you?

Emotional stress is usually temporary.
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"Generally"? :oldroll:

Do you admit to the possibility that to the person suffering that it may be impossible to tell if their particular emotional stress is temporary or not?

Do you admit to the possibility that to the person suffering that even the "temporary" emotional stress may be too much for them to handle even in the short term?

In this case, who knows.
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Exactly. Yet, you "believe" he and his ilk are "idiots" anyway?

But my question was, WHO has killed themselves without some sort of painful and irreversible affliction, that you thereby believe is an "idiot"?
 
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