9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Trojan]

Herr Obersturmführer Krone calls to say that he was
summoned to meet with Brigadeführer Kämmer and
to report on his inspection of the crematorium in Auschwitz,
whence he had returned yesterday. He could make nothing
of the facilities at Auschwitz and wanted therefore to inform
himself on how many muffles are in operation there at this
time and how many ovens with muffles we are building there
and are still to be delivered.

I told him that at this time 3 double-muffle
ovens are in operation, with a capacity of
250 per day. Further, currently under
construction are 5 triple muffle ovens


with a daily capacity of 800. Today and in the next few
days, 2 eight-muffle ovens, each with a daily capacity
of 800, will come on consignment, redirected from Mogilew.

Mr K said that this number of muffles is not yet sufficient;
we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible.

Thus, it is appropriate that I come to Berlin Thursday
morning in order to discuss further deliveries with Mr K.
I should bring documents on Auschwitz with me, so that
the urgent calls can be finally silenced once and for all.

I have agreed to the visit for Thursday.

Or is this a forgery?

 

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[qimg]http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/topf-8-9-42.jpg[/qimg]



Or is this a forgery?

The nazi fanboi wannabe will claim that the ovens were REALLY used for baking bread or muffins.

 

[9/11-investigator]

[qimg]http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/topf-8-9-42.jpg[/qimg]
Or is this a forgery?

I had a demanding working week and (therefore) the wine is tasting rather well tonight. Not really in the mood for corps counting. Nevertheless, since you dug up 'an oldie' I have found some material I might explore later:

Most detailed response by Mattagno:
http://www.vho.org/VffG/2005/4/Mattogno447-457.html

Remember that Auschwitz was a medium-sized city:

Daher mußte der Plan vom 8. Juli eine Belegung mit 150.000 Häftlingen vorsehen. Nach seinem Besuch in Auschwitz am 17. und 18. Juli 1942 entschied sich Himmler für eine neue „Erweiterung“ des Lagers auf 200.000 Häftlinge. Diese Zahl wurde im „Lageplan des Kriegsgefangenenlagers in Auschwitz O/S“ vom 15. August 1942 offiziell festgehalten; das Lager sollte aus vier Sektoren bestehen, drei von je 60.000 (= 180.000) und einem vierten von 20.000 Häftlingen.

Your document originates from a date with a peak in people dying in Auschwitz:

August 1942 war der Monat mit der höchsten Sterblichkeit in der ganzen Geschichte des Lagers. In diesem Monat starben 8600 Häftlinge,44 fast doppelt so viele wie im Juli (etwa 4400 Todesfälle). Der erste Hinweis auf den Bau der weiteren Krematorien findet sich am 14. August, als der Plan 1678 für das Krematorium IV/V erstellt wurde. Bis zum 13. d.M. waren schon über 2500 Häftlinge verstorben, im Mittel mehr als 190 pro Tag. Zwischen dem 14. und dem 19. (dem Tag, an dem die im Aktenvermerk vom 21. August zusammengefaßten Besprechungen stattfanden, bei denen Krematorium III erwähnt wird) war die Sterblichkeit mit 2400 Todesfällen – etwa 400 am Tag – noch höher. Der Höhepunkt kam am 19. August, als 500 Menschen starben.

They had to prepare for massive outbreaks of typhus:

Was wäre geschehen, wenn eine neuerliche Typhusepidemie bei einer Lagerstärke von 200.000 Häftlingen ausgebrochen wäre? Hier, und nur hier, liegt der Grund für den Beschluß, die Krematorien IV und V und dann auch Krematorium III zu bauen.Der o.e. Brief Bischoffs an das KL Stutthof vom 10. Juli 1942 erklärt hundertprozentig die wirkliche Bedeutung der von SS-Obersturmbannführer Krone in der Notiz von Prüfer erwähnten unzureichenden vorhandenen bzw. geplanten Muffeln und widerlegt ebenfalls die These vom verbrecherischen Gebrauch der Krematorien von Birkenau..

IHR:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p303_Aynat.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p479_Rollins.html

Your document is referred to in NMT:
http://www.codoh.com/trials/triussr8.html

More about the issue from Codoh:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=135
http://www.codoh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5641

Irving:
http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/35irving.html
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Kremas/Topf_family.html

Fritjof Meyer:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Osteuropa/Fritjof_Meyer2.html

 

[9/11-investigator]

The nazi fanboi wannabe will claim that the ovens were REALLY used for baking bread or muffins.

Tens of thousands of people died in the camps (not millions) so you needed a lot of crematoria. In a normal city of 200,000 say 1500 people die in a year. Such a city has maybe 1 or 2 crematoria with say 2-3 ovens each. In Auschwitz over a period of 2-3 years some 50,000 people died. So it comes as no surprise that a lot more ovens were needed than these 4-6 mentioned for normal circumstances. 10-20 times more.

Oh, and could you please deliver a quote from my posts where it becomes clear that I am a 'Nazi fan boy'?

See, I already thought you couldn't.

I could not care less about a rehabilitation of the Nazi's, the real target however is YOU and your inability to defend your own civilization. You are going to fall anyway somewhere in the next decade but I simply refuse to be drawn into the abyss by a few Hillbillies.

Got that?

 

[dtugg]

Oh look, the evil nazi is back. Has he explained yet why his hero Eichmann, when on trial for his life, acknowledged that the Holocast happened and defended himself by saying he was just following orders? Seems like a really stupid defense if the whole thing was made up by the dirty jooooos.

 

[Simon39759]

Medium city or not, the documents has the Nazis planning for a daily capacity of 2400 people. 2400!
That 365 * 2400 = 876 000 bodies a year!

That's several the actual numbers of prisoners ever interned in the camp at any given times.
That doesn't make sense unless the authorities were expecting most of the persons deported to die on arrival and that's only possible within the context of an extermination camp.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Medium city or not, the documents has the Nazis planning for a daily capacity of 2400 people. 2400!
That 365 * 2400 = 876 000 bodies a year!

You probably don't speak German

Edited by Lisa Simpson: 

Edited to remove personal remarks.

, so your are excused for your ignorance. The first link makes clear that they were anticipating epidemics with high peaks. The issue was to get rid of the dead as soon as possible in order to contain an epidemic. Auschwitz basically was a swamp with very high ground water levels. Burying was unthinkable, they had to cremate.

The fact that my car has a capacity to drive 200,000 miles a year does not mean that this capacity is used to the max. In fact I drive only 10% of that maximum capacity. Nevertheless I want to be able to drive from Amsterdam to The Hague in 30 minutes. That does not mean I want to drive that distance 48 times per day.

Capacity is not equal to (long term) production.

Again I post this link: it makes clear the devastating effect of typhus in pre-modern days: hundreds of thousands of French soldiers died in the endless planes of Russia because of this disease, not because of Kozacs or cold temperatures. Same story in the concentration camps in Poland.

Please keep in mind the Membership Agreement and do not use personal attacks to argue your point.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[dudalb]

I could not care less about a rehabilitation of the Nazi's, the real target however is YOU and your inability to defend your own civilization. You are going to fall anyway somewhere in the next decade but I simply refuse to be drawn into the abyss by a few Hillbillies.

Got that

The same hillbillies who played a major role in kicking the Master Race's butt in WW2?
And I note that very,very, few of your fellow Europeans are buying the garbage you are selling.....

 

[9/11-investigator]

The same hillbillies who played a major role in kicking the Master Race's butt in WW2?
And I note that very,very, few of your fellow Europeans are buying the garbage you are selling.....

I have to admit that I am amazed that the Ruskies, the Brits and the Amis did indeed beat the Krauts, even if they were outnumbering them 7 to 1. Usually the Americans get beaten by 2-bit nations like Lebanese, Somalis, Koreans or Vietnamese (and probably by Afghans as well). Buchanan says it well in this context: 'Americans are lousy imperialists'. Although I have to concede that the victory of the US over Grenada (10,000 inhabitants) was flawless, excellent operation, well done!

"The same hillbillies who played a major role" - small correction, their role was scant. They joined the party when it was already almost over: summer 1944. WW2 was basically a fight between Jewish initiated Bolshevism and German nationalism. Thanks to the help of their Jewish controlled American friends (thanks to Franklin Delano Roosevelt) the Bolsheviks won. Together they concocted a holocaust in Nuremberg to make themselves look good and the strategy worked perfectly. In end effect Europe lost (including Euro-Americans), the Jews won. Until this day. The idea was and is to kill the West by means of the multicultural ideology to cement their rule for ever. Unfortunately for the latter they lost Russia, thanks to Putin. In Europe now everywhere the Right is rising. They do not want to surrender to the Third World invasion and they will not. America is a different case and it will not survive, at least not in its present form.

About selling garbage... very very large numbers of Europeans do understand that having revisionist views regarding the holocaust is a career killer or worse: you might end up in a dungeon. And since most people are not born for heroism but for an 'ABC'-life: huisje-boompje-beestje (a house, wife, kids and a dog) very few open their mouths.

Nevertheless, everybody with a sorry excuse of a brain will every now and then read 'stuff' on the internet and this way critical mass is build up. I have yet to encounter someone of moderate intelligence who is unfamiliar with the existence of 'holocaust deniers'. And it is forbidden stuff, meaning interesting.

 

[Jungle Jim]

I really don't understand this obsession with Jews. There are only about 14 million in the world: about 5.3 mil. in both Isreal and the USA, 1.5 mil. in Europe and the rest scattered about the globe. Talk about a master race

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

If he was deported into a slave labor program, would not the event of the act be barbarous by itself -- or is slave labor now an accepted act?

Would really like to see the nazi fanboi try to weasel his way out of respond to this one.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator: "My own Saxon Dutch father was deported in 1944 to Poland to participate in the Arbeitseinsatz. He had amongst others to help clean up the mess in Dresden a few days after the Allies carried out their barbarous attack that claimed a comparable number of lives (135,000) in 1 night intentionally as all the people that died in all the camps combined over 3 years (270,000)!

He never experienced any barbarous act by the Germans."

If he was deported into a slave labor program, would not the event of the act be barbarous by itself -- or is slave labor now an accepted act?

The problem with you ideological driven people is that you start to believe your own propaganda. In order to try to shout me down with your 'he-is-a-Nazi'-smears you end up believing your own garbage. Self-hypnosis is the proper term. Obviously I am not defending the Germans in that they arrested my father to do work while the Germans themselves were fighting Bolsheviks, Americans and the like. Even German children were fighting in the end. But again, my father did not suffer physical abuse, humiliations etc. He was treated according to the principle: 'if you don't cause trouble we won't cause trouble to you'. And to be honest I have always suspected that my father preferred being in Germany over being in school in Holland.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I really don't understand this obsession with Jews. There are only about 14 million in the world: about 5.3 mil. in both Isreal and the USA, 1.5 mil. in Europe and the rest scattered about the globe. Talk about a master race

Who cares about numbers? In the top of the American power structure (politics, media, think tanks, corporations) is room for only a couple of thousand people. These are people with highest IQ. They, and nobody else, determine the policy of the US. The rest of the 300 million have to obey. It is an extension fo the classic Hofmeyer pattern in Europe of the middle ages.

 

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator: "My own Saxon Dutch father was deported in 1944 to Poland to participate in the Arbeitseinsatz. He had amongst others to help clean up the mess in Dresden a few days after the Allies carried out their barbarous attack that claimed a comparable number of lives (135,000) in 1 night intentionally as all the people that died in all the camps combined over 3 years (270,000)!

He never experienced any barbarous act by the Germans."

Vonnegut merely repeated David Irving's fictitious number of 135,000 from his 1963 book 'The Bombing of Dresden." That should have been a red flag for Vonnegut right there, but he shared your adoration for all things Irving.

"One official involved in the collection and disposal of corpses wrote to Irving arguing, among other things, that mass cremation on the scale Irving assumed would have been impossible in the time given, especially considering wartime shortages of manpower, equipment and fuel. Irving ignored that point; but later he used similar reasoning to play down the scale of mass cremation in the Nazi death-camps, where all the equipment and manpower was in place."

David Irving actually had to admit his estimation of Dresden bombing casualties was completely pulled from his posterior.

"Casualties: by 10th March, 1945, 18,375 dead, 2,212 seriously injured, and 13,918 slightly injured had been registered, with 350,000 homeless and permanently evacuated." The total death-roll, "primarily women and children", was expected to reach 25,000; fewer than a hundred of the dead were servicemen. Of the dead recovered by then, 6,865 had been cremated in one of the city squares. A total of 35,000 people were listed as "missing".

"The general authenticity of the report is established beyond doubt, because within a very few days of receiving the first, a second wartime German report was supplied to me, this time from a western source. It repeats exactly the figures listed in the above report, upon which it was evidently based." D. I.

Irving had to accept that his numbers were wrong or how else could his acolytes parrot the notion that if there were not enough crematoriums to deal with millions at the death camps, how could Dresden cremate up to 200,000.

 

[Simon39759]

You probably don't speak German (or any language for that matter), so your are excused for your ignorance. The first link makes clear that they were anticipating epidemics with high peaks. The issue was to get rid of the dead as soon as possible in order to contain an epidemic. Auschwitz basically was a swamp with very high ground water levels. Burying was unthinkable, they had to cremate.

Nope. I fully admit, German is not one of the three languages I am fluent with, nor is it one of the 2 additional languages I can read without major difficulties.
What about you go frack yourself with your insulting assumptions?

The fact that my car has a capacity to drive 200,000 miles a year does not mean that this capacity is used to the max. In fact I drive only 10% of that maximum capacity. Nevertheless I want to be able to drive from Amsterdam to The Hague in 30 minutes. That does not mean I want to drive that distance 48 times per day.

Capacity is not equal to (long term) production.

Yes, that is true. That's the reason why most industrial process are over-estimatedr by a few percent. I'd guess around 10-20% is not unheard of.
But not by several hundred of percent! Not when you have a war going on! Not when you already have to severely ration your population and are busy building bunkers and sub-subterranean plants sheltered from the enemies bombing raids!

That's a retarded argument!

 

[Thunder]

I really don't understand this obsession with Jews. There are only about 14 million in the world: about 5.3 mil. in both Isreal and the USA, 1.5 mil. in Europe and the rest scattered about the globe. Talk about a master race

when you kill God's one and only son..you get a lot of attention.

 

[Simon39759]

Oh... When are we bombing Italy then?

 

[Galileo]

Just to get myself on the record, I am proudly pro-semite, and have always been so, since I studied Akkadian, Babylonian, Chaldean, Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic.

 

[lionking]

Great. All we need now is MagZ.

 

[Chaos]

All right, Nazi fanboy.

About 6 million jews were last seen alive when taken into Nazi custody. If you want to claim that the Nazis did not murder, you will have to come up with evidence for what else happened to them.

And it had better be really good evidence. The Nazis grabbed these people and made them disappear. This makes their fate and obvious eventual demise the Nazis´ fault - unless you can provide us with compelling evidence for exactly what else happened to them.

Bring it on, or shut up.