Archeologly proves the Bible?

[joobz]

So the evidence is a priest who is still a priest (as far as anyone knows) saying "Luke made a mistake about the census" on a business website. Is that the evidence?

Yes. And he gave reasons for calling it nonsense.
There was no ROMAN census in the Independant Jewish State.

 

[Nonpareil]

There is no reliable evidence that supports Jesus' divinity. The bible clearly contains the wishfull fantasies of the early believers and can not be trusted as a source.

Anyone really surprised at this? Honestly? DOC doesn't count.

 

[Cleon]

Nope. it's a quote. The fact that the article is omitting the closing quote on the paragraph is a typo.

It's not a typo, it's standard English. If the quote is being cut into two paragraphs, the quote at the end of the first one is omitted.

‘‘Luke made a mistake’’ in inventing the census that took Jesus [of Nazareth] to Bethlehem, according to Fr Murphy O’Connor. ‘‘The census was nonsense. The census we’re told was for the Roman Empire. This wasn’t part of the Roman Empire, this was an independent Jewish kingdom. But Luke had to try and find a motive why a heavily pregnant woman would travel the length of the country.

‘‘He made a guess and he got it wrong . . . I think Bethlehem was an embarrassment to the early Christians. Because there was a messianic prophecy centred on Bethlehem, the prophecy of Micah, which promised a warrior king, and Jesus was anything but. He didn’t fulfil the messianic prophecy of Bethlehem.”

It's just marking the beginning of a new paragraph in the quotation.

 

[joobz]

It's not a typo, it's standard English. If the quote is being cut into two paragraphs, the quote at the end of the first one is omitted.

You are correct.

 

[eccles]

According to my memories from a few years ago, it is not too bad. I don't know why it is on a darker patches, but it is indeed, rocky terrain.

What's less convincing is the absence of the sphinx and other structures.
Furthermore, you should also see the city of Cairo, its suburbs literally stop within a mile (if that) from the pyramids.

Simon, The Sphinx is there in the image, not exactly where is should be. It is somewhat right of Khufu. I did not fly a course especially to see the Sphinx.
I have not seen dead accurate CGs of scenery of anywhere on Flight Sims for PCs.

 

[DOC]

Show me evidence that there is a priest on this planet who publicly says Christ is not divine and is still a priest in the Church.

Show me evidence that this has anything to do with the topic

So you want to use an alleged quote from a priest (that is nowhere else on the web) that came from a business website where the author is talking about something she heard on a TV show. But then you don't want to talk about how if he is still a priest then he still must believe Christ is divine or he would be removed from the priesthood?

 

[eccles]

National Center for Science Education

This may not be the right forum, but as many of you know have read my posts and know what I am about, this might interest you.

Comer v. Scott and Texas Education Agency
http://ncseweb.org/creationism/legal/chris-comer-docs

Make sure you look at these YouTube vids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpCdQ2Tbf6s

 

[DOC]

It's not a typo, it's standard English. If the quote is being cut into two paragraphs, the quote at the end of the first one is omitted.



It's just marking the beginning of a new paragraph in the quotation.

You are correct.

Why didn't the author include the below bolded wording in quotes - there is something fishy about the whole thing:

‘‘Luke made a mistake’’ in inventing the census that took Jesus [of Nazareth] to Bethlehem, according to Fr Murphy O’Connor

 

[Marduk]

So you want to use an alleged quote from a priest (that is nowhere else on the web) that came from a business website where the author is talking about something she heard on a TV show. But then you don't want to talk about how if he is still a priest then he still must believe Christ is divine or he would be removed from the priesthood?

so what youre saying is that you have no faith in the divinity of Jesus unless you have a load of made up Jewish prophecies supporting it

awesome, what a great martyr you'd be

 

[joobz]

So you want to use an alleged quote from a priest (that is nowhere else on the web) that came from a business website where the author is talking about something she heard on a TV show.

You know EXACTLY where that quote came from. You can track down the PRIMARY source of it. Again, you have placed way too much emphasis on questioning the quote's veracity. You are effectively admitting that it is highly damning to your position.

So, now that we have established Luke as a dishonest reporter when it comes to matters of Jesus' life, why should we beleive anything he has written about Jesus' divinity?

 

[Cleon]

Why didn't the author include the below bolded wording in quotes - there is something fishy about the whole thing:

‘‘Luke made a mistake’’ in inventing the census that took Jesus [of Nazareth] to Bethlehem, according to Fr Murphy O’Connor

It's called "summarizing." There's nothing fishy about it. This doesn't read any differently than most other articles with a quotation in it.

Of course, again we can go back to the fact that O'Connor has said similar things elsewhere, but you keep ignoring that, too. Can't imagine why.

Your desperation is showing again.

 

[eccles]

‘‘Luke made a mistake’’ in inventing the census that took Jesus [of Nazareth] to Bethlehem, according to Fr Murphy O’Connor. ‘‘The census was nonsense. The census we’re told was for the Roman Empire. This wasn’t part of the Roman Empire, this was an independent Jewish kingdom. But Luke had to try and find a motive why a heavily pregnant woman would travel the length of the country."

O'Connor knows nothing about History if he made that stupid statemnt. It was not an independent "Jewish" State. It was a provence of the Roman Empire. Herod was the Pro -Consul if I have the title correct.

Joseph and Mary did not travel the length of the country. Bethlehem is about 90 miles from Nazareth, about 9 days march for a Roman Legion.

"Bloody Roman Catholic Priests"

 

[DOC]

Yes. And he gave reasons for calling it nonsense.
There was no ROMAN census in the Independant Jewish State.

So you believe this is a independent Jewish state:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5002546#post5002546

 

[joobz]

So you believe this is a independent Jewish state:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5002546#post5002546

Yes.

Do you Believe Iraq is an independant state?

Will the US hold a census in Iraq?

 

[zooterkin]

So you want to use an alleged quote from a priest (that is nowhere else on the web) that came from a business website where the author is talking about something she heard on a TV show. But then you don't want to talk about how if he is still a priest then he still must believe Christ is divine or he would be removed from the priesthood?

You somehow missed it last time:

I doubt he called it complete nonsense do you have a link.

http://www.bib-arch.org/online-exclusives/nativity-03.asp

Now let us turn to Luke. Mason recognizes (as do all scholars) that the census mentioned in Luke (2:1–2) took place in 6 A.D., which is far too late to be of any relevance to the birth of Jesus in the days of Herod the king (37–4 B.C.): In other words, Joseph and Mary could not have been traveling to Bethlehem for this census. Thus, the linchpin of Luke’s narrative slips out, and the story fragments into a number of individual, unrelated elements. But the fact that Luke is wrong on X (the census) does not necessarily mean that he is wrong on Y (the location of Jesus’ birth).

ETA: Since I know how literal you are, how about this one:
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2009/01/18/story38761.asp

‘‘Luke made a mistake’’ in inventing the census that took Jesus [of Nazareth] to Bethlehem, according to Fr Murphy O’Connor. ‘‘The census was nonsense. The census we’re told was for the Roman Empire. This wasn’t part of the Roman Empire, this was an independent Jewish kingdom. But Luke had to try and find a motive why a heavily pregnant woman would travel the length of the country.

‘‘He made a guess and he got it wrong . . . I think Bethlehem was an embarrassment to the early Christians. Because there was a messianic prophecy centred on Bethlehem, the prophecy of Micah, which promised a warrior king, and Jesus was anything but. He didn’t fulfil the messianic prophecy of Bethlehem.”

(emphasis added.)

And of course, joobz originally linked to a video of the programme itself, so what the priest is quoted as saying can be checked.

 

[joobz]

And of course, joobz originally linked to a video of the programme itself, so what the priest is quoted as saying can be checked.

Unfortunately, that link is now dead due to copyright.

 

[DOC]

And of course, joobz originally linked to a video of the programme itself, so what the priest is quoted as saying can be checked.

If you don't have dial-up and a older computer which is the case with me. I just find it interesting that that particular quote is nowhere else on the web other than that business website with the confusing punctuation where the author heard it off a TV show.

 

[Cleon]

I just find it interesting that that particular quote is nowhere else on the web other than that business website with the confusing punctuation where the author heard it off a TV show.

No, you don't. You're digging, pathetically, for any reason to dismiss it. And you're failing.

 

[RoboTimbo]

it's standard English. If the quote is being cut into two paragraphs, the quote at the end of the first one is omitted.

the confusing punctuation

Jebus jumped up Khryst, I admire the patience you guys show for DOC.

DOC, read a book with dialogue in it. You'll see the same confusing punctuation. Every time you argue dishonestly, 11 of 12 apostles weep.

 

[Elizabeth I]

My source from the book "Examine the Evidence" says Ramsay said there was a Roman census every 14 years beginning with Caesar Augustus.

I still have seen no credible evidence other than opinion that there was no census in the Roman occupied territory of Palestine with the Roman puppet Herod at the helm.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5002546#post5002546

NO ONE IS DENYING THAT ROME CONDUCTED A CENSUS AT REGULAR INTERVALS. They are saying that the Roman census was not extended to Israel.

Edited: Sorry - hit "post" instead of "preview" - was trying to insert a photo and it didn't work.