Archeologly proves the Bible?

[Simon39759]

I doubt if the terrain around the Pyramids is correct, but it is only CGI. It is still exicting to be ablt to "fly" anywhere in any country. Cape Canaveral is brilliant.

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According to my memories from a few years ago, it is not too bad. I don't know why it is on a darker patches, but it is indeed, rocky terrain.

What's less convincing is the absence of the sphinx and other structures.
Furthermore, you should also see the city of Cairo, its suburbs literally stop within a mile (if that) from the pyramids.

 

[Marduk]

Mwahahahahaha!

To be fair though, those wretched villains gave the world Damascus steel.

Respect.


Hail, mighty god

did they ?
I thought it was iron

 

[DOC]

Yup, So?
He still called Luke's story complete nonsense, which hurts your argument completely

The article you supplied only says this priest (who by the way is still a priest as far as anyone knows and thus must still believe in the divinity of Christ or he would be removed from the priesthood) only quotes him as saying Luke made a mistake about the census. It looks like the "nonsense" wording was written by the author of the article because it is not in quotes.

 

[DOC]

The Roman census claim was dispatched by Jerome O'Conner and posters here.

What is the evidence of that. I've heard opinions but seen no evidence.

 

[Cleon]

What is the evidence of that. I've heard opinions but seen no evidence.

Yes, you have.

You even replied to the post, but in your usual fashion, you cut out the parts you found inconvenient.

Once again, your dishonesty is apparent.

 

[pakeha]

DOC, surely you remember this as well:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4735343#post4735343

In case it's been forgotten.

 

[DOC]

Yes, you have.

You even replied to the post, but in your usual fashion, you cut out the parts you found inconvenient.

Once again, your dishonesty is apparent.

So the evidence is a priest who is still a priest (as far as anyone knows) saying "Luke made a mistake about the census" on a business website. Is that the evidence?

 

[Nonpareil]

So the evidence is a priest who is still a priest (as far as anyone knows) saying "Luke made a mistake about the census" on a business website. Is that the evidence?

No. The priest says "THE CENSUS WAS NONSENSE."

 

[Cleon]

So the evidence is a priest who is still a priest

You are the only person here who thinks that's a point of significance. The Catholic Church has long since abandoned biblical literalism.

(as far as anyone knows) saying "Luke made a mistake about the census" on a business website. Is that the evidence?

You are, again, ignoring the parts you find inconvenient. Allow me to finish the quotation for you:

The census was nonsense. The census we’re told was for the Roman Empire. This wasn’t part of the Roman Empire, this was an independent Jewish kingdom. But Luke had to try and find a motive why a heavily pregnant woman would travel the length of the country.

‘He made a guess and he got it wrong . . . I think Bethlehem was an embarrassment to the early Christians. Because there was a messianic prophecy centred on Bethlehem, the prophecy of Micah, which promised a warrior king, and Jesus was anything but. He didn’t fulfil the messianic prophecy of Bethlehem.

And, of course, joobz linked to more substantial comments from O'Conner here (thanks, pakeha).

DOC, if you ignore evidence you don't like, it doesn't magically stop existing.

 

[DOC]

No. The priest says "THE CENSUS WAS NONSENSE."

Where does this priest (who is still a priest as far as we know) say it was nonsense and that statement is in quotes and not the wording of the author of the article. Give me the link.

 

[Cleon]

Where does this priest (who is still a priest as far as we know) say it was nonsense and that statement is in quotes and not the wording of the author of the article. Give me the link.

It's already been done. His words. "The census was nonsense." Why do you persist in ignoring it?

 

[DOC]

You are the only person here who thinks that's a point of significance. The Catholic Church has long since abandoned biblical literalism.

Show me evidence that there is a priest on this planet who publicly says Christ is not divine and is still a priest in the Church.

 

[Cleon]

Show me evidence that there is a priest on this planet who publicly says Christ is not divine and is still a priest in the Church.

No, I will not feed your pathetic derail attempt.

 

[Nonpareil]

Where does this priest (who is still a priest as far as we know) say it was nonsense and that statement is in quotes and not the wording of the author of the article. Give me the link.

THE LINK HAS BEEN GIVEN. Multiple times. But if you want us to give you the priest's statement without quotes, here you go.

The census was nonsense. - The Priest.

Wish granted! Happy now?

 

[DOC]

It's already been done. His words. "The census was nonsense." Why do you persist in ignoring it?

This is what the article on a "business" website you and joobz cited says:

‘‘Luke made a mistake’’ in inventing the census that took Jesus [of Nazareth] to Bethlehem, according to Fr Murphy O’Connor. ‘‘The census was nonsense. The census we’re told was for the Roman Empire. This wasn’t part of the Roman Empire, this was an independent Jewish kingdom. But Luke had to try and find a motive why a heavily pregnant woman would travel the length of the country.

How do we know the "nonsense" wording was not the author of the article. Notice the quotation marking is not complete. And this statement of the "census is nonsense" by the priest is nowhere else on the web other than on that "business" website and a Randi post.

Also the "in inventing the census" wording is not in quotes. And this wording in the article-

"But Luke had to try and find a motive why a heavily pregnant woman would travel the length of the country"

- is not in quotes and is nowhere else on the web other than that business website.

My source from the book "Examine the Evidence" says Ramsay said there was a Roman census every 14 years beginning with Caesar Augustus.

I still have seen no credible evidence other than opinion that there was no census in the Roman occupied territory of Palestine with the Roman puppet Herod at the helm.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5002546#post5002546

 

[Nonpareil]

This is what the article on a "business" website you and joobz cited says:

‘‘Luke made a mistake’’ in inventing the census that took Jesus [of Nazareth] to Bethlehem, according to Fr Murphy O’Connor. ‘‘The census was nonsense. The census we’re told was for the Roman Empire. This wasn’t part of the Roman Empire, this was an independent Jewish kingdom. But Luke had to try and find a motive why a heavily pregnant woman would travel the length of the country.

How do we know the "nonsense" wording was not the author of the article.

GOOD GOD, MAN! GIVE IT UP! It's right there! The priest said it!

Notice the quotation marking is not complete.

Okay, the author left out a quotation mark. What? Do you think he deliberately left it out for the express purpose of falsifying the priest's testimony? Then, when challenged, he says, "Hey, look, there's a quote missing!" and everyone goes "Oh, well that's all right then."

And this statement of the "census is nonsense" by the priest is nowhere else on the web other than on that business website and a Randi post.

So? It's an article owned by a business website, then. Do you seriously believe that both joobz and Cleon are trying to deceive you? And that they created the business site for that sole purpose?

Also the "in inventing the census" wording is not in quotes.

So? That's not the part we're discussing. It's irrelevant. Straw man.

My source from the book "Examine the Evidence" says Ramsay said there was a Roman census every 14 years beginning with Caesar Augustus.

Congratulations. Who cares?

I still have seen no credible evidence other than opinion that there was no census in the Roman occupied territory of Palestine with the Roman puppet Herod at the helm.

Maybe not, but that's not what we're discussing.

DOC, try listening for once in your life.

 

[Akhenaten]

did they ?

I thought it was iron

You are correct, and I stretched a long bow to give them credit for wootz and Damascus steel.


Georges Emeriau - Damascus Steel

Around 2000 BC, the Hittites living in the east of present-day Turkey collected the iron ore and melted it in small furnaces. 1200 BC is the ending period of the Hittite people, and probably the blacksmiths spread into the neighboring countries and shared their knowledge.

Maybe we should credit the dread Sea People with spreading the technnology that led to Damascus steel.

Still no archæological evidence for the Bible? Seems to be plenty of evidence for other stuff though.

Strange.


PS No archeologlical evidence either.

 

[Akhenaten]

Show me evidence that there is a priest on this planet who publicly says Christ is not divine and is still a priest in the Church.

Show me evidence that this has anything to do with the topic.


ETA: Anyway, it's pretty obvious that Christ isn't still a priest in the Church. He's way too dead.

 

[Cleon]

How do we know the "nonsense" wording was not the author of the article. Notice the quotation marking is not complete.

You've got to be kidding me.

DOC, when a quotation ending a paragraph doesn't have an end quote, it just means that the quotation is continuing into the next paragraph. If you notice, that's exactly what's happening. Ask an English teacher if you don't believe me.

For crying out loud, I learned this stuff when I was ten. Are you really this desperate for straws to grasp?

And this statement of the "census is nonsense" by the priest is nowhere else on the web other than on that "business" website and a Randi post.

Well, if you read the article on that "business" website, it's discussing a TV program.

There is no evidence that the quotation was fabricated, DOC. I can't imagine why it would be, considering that it's perfectly in line with other things O'Conner has said about the subject.


You've moved from denying the quote existed, even after being shown it multiple times, to deciding all on your own that it was a fabrication. Does your dishonesty know no bounds?

 

[joobz]

The article you supplied only says this priest (who by the way is still a priest as far as anyone knows and thus must still believe in the divinity of Christ or he would be removed from the priesthood) only quotes him as saying Luke made a mistake about the census. It looks like the "nonsense" wording was written by the author of the article because it is not in quotes.

Nope. it's a quote. The fact that the article is omitting the closing quote on the paragraph is a typo. It doesn't change the reality of the situation. IF you doubt this, then please contact the author of that report and ask if it is a quote. Afterall, it is clear you do not believe me.

I find this amusing though. Your obvious strained attempts at denying the quote is a clear admission that the quote is highly important to your position. It destroys your entire premise, that Luke was trustworthy enough to speak truly about Jesus. Afterall, that IS what you try to imply by the "great historian" reference.


In other words, we are back to where we first started:
There is no reliable evidence that supports Jesus' divinity. The bible clearly contains the wishfull fantasies of the early believers and can not be trusted as a source.