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I too have seen the Petronas Tower but couldn't go up due to not working for or being affiliated with Petronas.
 
a wall of 14"x14" (comprised of 3/8" thick steel plate) perimeter box-columns spaced at 3'-4" on center and lying braced against 4" thick reinforced concrete floors at every 12 feet. While these may have been only 14'' wide they were also 14'' DEEP and lying braced against the reinforced concrete floors at 12 foot intervals. Ansolutely EXCELLENT shock absorbers as you can imagine. In crushing they should have stopped the plane dead on the outside of the building. Maybe the engines and landing gear would have penetrated but that is it.

Then the plane- 150 spread-out tons of of aluminium sheet as thin as 1mm in the fuselage and possiby 4mm in the wings. Spread out over a width of 125 feet and a length of 155feet. The only hard points were the two six-ton engines, the aluminium wing spars and the llanding gear. The fuselage had a diameter of 13 feet or one foot larger than the space between the floors.

Yet this somewhat spidery assembly of light aluminium is supposed to have bludgeoned it's way through the above described columns- 33 of them, wingtips and all. And all without losing as much as a gram of itself on the impact side of the building . Not only that- it went on to destroy up to ten of the truly massive core columns and partially carrying on to exit the building through perhaps a dozen more identical perimeter columns to the ones described above.

The impact is supposed to have caused the 500,000 ton building to sway back and forth for four minutes. Yet the plane itself weighed only one quarter of one half of one tenth of one percent the weight of the building.

So what do you think ? Does it add up?

http://nomoregames.net/presentation...al_August_07.ppt_files/slide0042_image031.png Wing rip
http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034 Nose Cone
 
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dtugg said:
It happened. I saw it happen. Anybody who suggests that it didn't is insane.
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Saw it or not dtugg. Explain this ?

How could the plane put so much energy into causing the building to sway back and forth and still have gone through those columns in a flash like it did ?
 
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bill smith said:
Saw it or not dtugg. Eplain this ?

How could the plane put so much energy into causing building to sway back and forth and still have gone through those columns in a flash like it did ?
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Wow. All those eye witnesses who claim they saw something that some guy on the internet with no relevant expertise claims cannot happen. Hmmm. Whom to believe, whom to believe...
 
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From the discussion at the link -
Good...So now all we have to do is call CBS and ask them if and why they had a live camera stationed on top of that condominium building.
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Umm, to film the World Trade Center, which was on fire after a plane crashed into it?
 
twinstead said:
Wow. All those eye witnesses who claim they saw something that some guy on the internet with no relevant expertise claim cannot happen. Hmmm. Whom to believe, whom to believe...
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I'm not asking you to believe anything.I'm asking you to verify the anomalies I pointed out.You can do this by not explaining them.
 
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bill smith said:
Saw it or not dtugg. Explain this ?

How could the plane put so much energy into causing the building to sway back and forth and still have gone through those columns in a flash like it did ?
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Because it was flying fast.

BTW, no planer, even the wind can make a skyscraper sway.
 
bill smith said:
a wall of 14"x14" (comprised of 3/8" thick steel plate) perimeter box-columns spaced at 3'-4" on center and lying braced against 4" thick reinforced concrete floors at every 12 feet. While these may have been only 14'' wide they were also 14'' DEEP and lying braced against the reinforced concrete floors at 12 foot intervals. Ansolutely EXCELLENT shock absorbers as you can imagine. In crushing they should have stopped the plane dead on the outside of the building. Maybe the engines and landing gear would have penetrated but that is it.

Then the plane- 150 spread-out tons of of aluminium sheet as thin as 1mm in the fuselage and possiby 4mm in the wings. Spread out over a width of 125 feet and a length of 155feet. The only hard points were the two six-ton engines, the aluminium wing spars and the llanding gear. The fuselage had a diameter of 13 feet or one foot larger than the space between the floors.

Yet this somewhat spidery assembly of light aluminium is supposed to have bludgeoned it's way through the above described columns- 33 of them, wingtips and all. And all without losing as much as a gram of itself on the impact side of the building . Not only that- it went on to destroy up to ten of the truly massive core columns and partially carrying on to exit the building through perhaps a dozen more identical perimeter columns to the ones described above.

The impact is supposed to have caused the 500,000 ton building to sway back and forth for four minutes. Yet the plane itself weighed only one quarter of one half of one tenth of one percent the weight of the building.

So what do you think ? Does it add up?

http://nomoregames.net/presentation...al_August_07.ppt_files/slide0042_image031.png Wing rip
http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034 Nose Cone
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Post full of epic fail.

Engines are not 6 tons for a start. The skin is on a frame. The column connections broke they did not all get slivced. The plane shredded a lot of itself on the columns.

Thats some libido you have there Bill
 
dtugg said:
Because it was flying fast.

BTW, no planer, even the wind can make a skyscraper sway.
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NIST said it swayed for four minutes from the impact wich is really amazing for a mosquito- even a very fast mosquito.
 
bill smith should really consider taking elementary physics for a few years... this is insanity that he doesn't even know about mass, kinetic energy or momentum.
 
bill smith said:
NIST said it swayed for four minutes from the impact wich is really amazing for a mosquito- even a very fast mosquito.
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Why's it amazing? Because you think so? Newsflash: You're a know nothing no planer. Your uneducated guess counts for less than nothing.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
bill smith should really consider taking elementary physics for a few years... this is insanity that he doesn't even know about mass, kinetic energy or momentum.
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This s just the magic of plain common sense Grizzly. So how about you explaining some of those anomalies I mention ?
 
bill smith said:
This s just the magic of plain common sense Grizzly. So how about you explaining some of those anomalies I mention ?
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You don't have any common sense, you're a no planer. And you have mentioned no anomalies, only exposed your monumental ignorance.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
bill smith should really consider taking elementary physics for a few years... this is insanity that he doesn't even know about mass, kinetic energy or momentum.
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How about this one Grizzly ? An engineer llike you should have no problem reconciling these two effects surely ?

How could the plane put so much energy into causing the building to sway back and forth and still have gone through those columns in a flash like it did ?
 
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TruthersLie said:
well if a plane hits it, I'll let you all know how it does... I live less than an hour away from it.

FREAKING HUGE doesn't begin to describe it...
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Pretty big mall at the bottom as well. Went on a holiday weekend just after it opened and had to queue for over 1.5 hours for a taxi back to my hotel.
 
bill smith said:
This s just the magic of plain common sense Grizzly. So how about you explaining some of those anomalies I mention ?
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NO.

How about you explaining them Bill ? How about you explaining why the plane would not cause the damage you stated and cause the building to sway.

Your anomalies, you explain them.

GO..................
 
bill smith said:
NIST said it swayed for four minutes from the impact wich is really amazing for a mosquito- even a very fast mosquito.
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Do you find this amusing Bill? Does it appeal to your warped sense of humour to describe a passenger plane full of terrified people being slammed at high speed into a building as a mosquito?
 
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