Archeologly proves the Bible?

[DOC]

The article you just posted. You did read it, yes?

Hokulele you need to explain yourself more? I read parts of the article, yes. Now explain yourself?

 

[Hokulele]

Hokulele you need to explain yourself more? I read parts of the article, yes. Now explain yourself?

The article explains how Josephus used the various books of the Old Testament to put together his timeline of the Exodus and Moses' biography. This was done in part to refute the testimony by Manetho, an Egyptian historian, who wrote in the 3rd century BCE (and therefore would be a more definitive authority than your Jewish tourist from 400 years later). Unsurprisingly, Manetho never talked about Jews in Egypt, and the closest thing to Moses in his history is an Egyptian (not Jewish) priest named Osarseph thrown out with the Hyksos.

Heck, this was described in the sentences directly before and after the bit you quoted. You may have read parts of the article, but you clearly didn't read enough.

Chariot wheels. *Snork*

 

[amb]

What is your source that Josephus who personally knew the Roman Emperor (ruler over Egypt) and traveled with him to Egypt, only knew about Exodus from what he read in the OT. And how would you explain that Josephus wrote that Moses was a general in the Egyptian military and he defeated Ethiopia when this is not in the Bible.

There is a very simple explanation for that.......Hearsay! He was writing hearsay.

 

[pakeha]

So the fact that the famous historian (Josephus) was married in Egypt and also went on a trip to Egypt with the Roman Emperor is of no relevance to you when Josephus writes about Egyptian history?

None whatsoever, obviously.
Could you post up another source for the Exodus story, please?

 

[amb]

None whatsoever, obviously.
Could you post up another source for the Exodus story, please?

Apart from the O/T, there is no other source.

 

[eccles]

Apart from the O/T, there is no other source.

I agree with that. As the Exodus never happened there are no mentions of it by the Egyptians or anyone else in that period. Like ALL the Bible the Exodus is only a myth The Bible is mostly taken from the Egyptian religious myths. I have been researching this for a long time.

BTW, Josephus copied the Apocrypha for the "Antiquities of the Jews". Read both books and you will see the similarities.

em hotep

 

[pakeha]

Here's a link which mentions one Hecateus of Abdera as a source for Josephus
http://books.google.es/books?id=nJv...resnum=7#v=onepage&q=Hecataeus Exodus&f=false

The book, by Jan Assman, looks to be an interesting read.

Edited to add:
Another link to more of Jan Assman
http://books.google.es/books?id=P5f...esult&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=&f=false

 

[zooterkin]

That picture of those 1st century tombs (dug out of rock) just out side the walls of Jerusalem proves that those tombs did in fact exist. I've had someone in another thread say so where is Jesus' tomb. From the evidence (including that photo) it seems likely it's right inside the Church of the Holy Sepluchre.

What evidence?


ETA: To make it clear, what evidence is there that Jesus was in any of the tombs, and, in particular, in one inside the Church?

 

[Marduk]

The Bible is mostly taken from the Egyptian religious myths.

just snorted my coffee over the monitor thanks

which egyptian myths are in the bible ?
list please

 

[eccles]

Here's a link which mentnions one Hecateus of Abdera as a source for Josephus
http://books.google.es/books?id=nJv...resnum=7#v=onepage&q=Hecataeus Exodus&f=false

The book, by Jan Assman, looks to an interesting read.

It is a very interesting read - the part on that web page. I wish I could print it. It ties in very well with D.M. Murdock "Christ in Egypt: The Jesus-Horus Connection". I am about half way throught that book and I can highly recommend it to you all. If you have a good knowledge of the Egyptian Religion you will see that much of what Murdock writes make sense.
Remember that Christianity developed in Alexandria, the Capital of Egypt at that time.

em hotep

 

[eccles]

just snorted my coffee over the monitor thanks

which egyptian myths are in the bible ?
list please

Just about all of them. "Virgin" Births e.g. Horus, son of Isis, a Virgin.
Jesus in the Temple at 12 years old.
Baptism in the myths of Anubis.
Crucufixion. Horus was crucified.
Resurection after 3 days. Horus rose from the dead after 3 days.

From:
http://home.austarnet.com.au/calum/egyptb.html#Baptism
Read the whole of that web page. It is by an Archaeologist I know personally. Calum has a large list of similarities between Egyptology and Christianity. I am a bedraggled refugee from the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church and I can see the connection even without reading stuff like this.

"How many sacraments hath Christ ordained in His Church?" is asked in the Prayer-book, and the answer is, "Two only as generally necessary to salvation-that is to say, baptism and the supper of the Lord". And both of these were Egyptian thousands of years earlier.

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These elements agree with the three persons in the trinity that were Osiris the father, Horus the son, Ra the holy spirit, in whose names as father, son and holy ghost the rite of baptism still continues to be practised."

Egyptian Baptism is covered extensively by D.M.. Murdock: Christ in Egypt: The Jesus-Horus Connection". She has a whole chapter on it.

As I said in another reply, Christianity developed in Alexandria in the 2nd and 3rd centuries CE.

BTW, if that was Nescafe or equivalent weak slop. no matter. If it was good Espresso/Cappucino like I make, don't waste it that way.

em hotep

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[DOC]

What evidence?


ETA: To make it clear, what evidence is there that Jesus was in any of the tombs, and, in particular, in one inside the Church?

The Roman historian Tacitus said Jesus received the ultimate penalty from Pontius Pilate. And all four gospels said Jesus was put in a tomb. We know from the evidence that 1st century tombs existed outside a gate of the wall of Jerusalem. It is rational to conclude that Jesus was put in one of those first century tombs that we know existed. Also, as famous as Jesus was and as fast as Christianity spread all over the Roman Empire certainly some people in the 3rd century knew where Jesus died. If you travel on the East coast of the US there are historical markers all over the place of things that happened hundreds of years ago.

 

[paximperium]

The Roman historian Tacitus said Jesus received the ultimate penalty from Pontius Pilate. And all four gospels said Jesus was put in a tomb. We know from the evidence that 1st century tombs existed outside a gate of the wall of Jerusalem. It is rational to conclude that Jesus was put in one of those first century tombs that we know existed. Also, as famous as Jesus was and as fast as Christianity spread all over the Roman Empire certainly some people in the 3rd century knew where Jesus died. If you travel on the East coast of the US there are historical markers all over the place of things that happened hundreds of years ago.

So the evidence for Jesus is the presence of 1st century tombs?
I'll let your own words speak for itself.

 

[eccles]

"And all four gospels said Jesus was put in a tomb."

Who really wrote the Gospels, where and when? Who, is unknown, when - about the end of the 3rd Century in Alexandria. So the "authors" were not eyewitnesses. Then Eusebius "Ltd" and staff rewrote the bible in Caesarea under the orders of Constantine I c. 325CE

em hotep

 

[zooterkin]

The Roman historian Tacitus said Jesus received the ultimate penalty from Pontius Pilate. And all four gospels said Jesus was put in a tomb. We know from the evidence that 1st century tombs existed outside a gate of the wall of Jerusalem. It is rational to conclude that Jesus was put in one of those first century tombs that we know existed.

You have an unsubstantiated story (can you show that Tacitus got his information (if it wasn't an interpolation) from anywhere other than the bible and/or Christians?), and a fact. You can't just join the two together with a "it is rational to conclude" with no other evidence. I bet you drew some very interesting pictures as a kid with those "join the dots" drawing books...

Also, as famous as Jesus was and as fast as Christianity spread all over the Roman Empire certainly some people in the 3rd century knew where Jesus died. If you travel on the East coast of the US there are historical markers all over the place of things that happened hundreds of years ago.

Do you have evidence of one of these "Jesus was here" markers?

 

[DOC]

So the evidence for Jesus is the presence of 1st century tombs? I'll let your own words speak for itself.

Actually your 1st sentence is your words, not mine. And I wish you "would" let my words speak for themselves instead of offering opinions about them on a regular basis -- many times with no sources to back up those opinions.

 

[zooterkin]

Actually your 1st sentence is your words, not mine. And I wish you "would" let my words speak for themselves instead of offering opinions about them on a regular basis -- many times with no sources to back up those opinions.

Learn to read, DOC. The first sentence was an accurate summary of the evidence presented in your post. The problem is that you have not yet grasped the meaning of the word, "evidence".

 

[paximperium]

Actually your 1st sentence is your words, not mine. And I wish you "would" let my words speak for themselves instead of offering opinions about them on a regular basis -- many times with no sources to back up those opinions.

So what was your archeological evidence for Jesus again?

 

[DOC]

Do you have evidence of one of these "Jesus was here" markers?

I doubt the Roman or Muslim soldiers would have preserved any Christian markers.

 

[zooterkin]

I doubt the Roman or Muslim soldiers would have preserved any Christian markers.

So you are saying that there were Christian markers dating from the time of Jesus that were present in the 3rd century, and yet were destroyed by Roman soldiers before that time?