Archeologly proves the Bible?

[Hokulele]

Spiderman is real since the Empire State Building exists.

And King Kong.

 

[Cleon]

Based on the above factors, the Oxford Archaeological Guide to the Holy Land concludes: "Is this the place where Christ died and was buried? Very probably, Yes."

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/israel/jerusalem-church-of-holy-sepulchre.htm

And whaddya know, the "Oxford Archaeological Guide to the Holy Land" was written by a Catholic priest.

 

[eccles]

I don't think we should use bible quotes - they are only fiction. The authors were certainly NOT eyewitnesses and as there were no verifiable eyewitnesses, the bible would not be accepted as evidence in a court of law.

em hotep

 

[eccles]

I thought I knew that name:

Born in 1935 to Kerry Murphy-O’Connor and Mary McCrohan, the eldest of four children, his cousin is Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, the tenth Archbishop of Westminster.[1] Murphy-O'Connor attended the Christian Brothers College in Cork, going on to attend the Vincentian run Castleknock College in Dublin. While there he decided to become a Dominican priest.

Murphy-O'Connor entered the Dominican Novitiate in Cork in September 1953, giving up his baptismal name 'James' and to take a new name in religion, 'Jerome', a symbol of his commitment to his faith. Bearing in mind his future career, this was an apt choice, as Jerome is the patron saint of Biblical studies. After novitiate he studied Philosophy for a year before studying at Tallaght and at the University of Fribourg in Switzerland.[2] Murphy-O'Connor was ordained priest in July 1960. In Fribourg the core of his scholarly life emerged, his first serious study as a lecturer being on the theme of Preaching in St. Paul, which he later developed into a doctoral thesis under the direction of the Dominican and Biblical scholar, Ceslas Spicq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Murphy-O'Connor

You could not get a more biased writer than him; brainwashed by the Christian Brothers and then joined the Dominican Order, the one that ran the Holy Inquisition - responsible for mass torture and slaughter for about 1000 years.

em hotep

 

[ServiceSoon]

Are you just intentionally ignoring what I've posted? None of those are accurate correlations. From a much earlier post refuting not only those claims, but many of the common ridiculous claims for the Horus-Jesus connection, this is The Jesus/Horus similarity claims, broken down:....

I would be very interested in this study. My current beliefs (agnosticism) is based on the fact? that the Christian bible copied a lot of Egyptian Mythology. I should have some spare time next week, assuming I have internet access (I think I will). I'll PM you so you have a record of my name.

 

[DOC]

I don't think we should use bible quotes - they are only fiction. The authors were certainly NOT eyewitnesses and as there were no verifiable eyewitnesses, the bible would not be accepted as evidence in a court of law.

Well, whether Gospel writers Matthew and John are eyewitnesses is up for debate, and I've already mentioned how Luke has been called one of the world's great historians -- and I assume you believe these men died for fiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_martyrs

 

[Hokulele]

Well, whether Gospel writers Matthew and John are eyewitnesses is up for debate, and I've already mentioned how Luke has been called one of the world's great historians -- and I assume you believe these men died for fiction.

Why, were any of them archeologists? You know, like the topic of this thread?

 

[boloboffin]

I would be very interested in this study. My current beliefs (agnosticism) is based on the fact? that the Christian bible copied a lot of Egyptian Mythology. I should have some spare time next week, assuming I have internet access (I think I will). I'll PM you so you have a record of my name.

I have recently developed the notion that the Old Testament stories are written as propaganda to solidify Mesopotamian control of the area. The area was always a battleground between Egypt and whatever power lay to the north. A nice religious story that grabbed stories of the region and built a "come out of Egypt" narrative would serve those who would benefit from Mesopotamian rule.

It occurred to me when Joseph Campbell was talking about the similarities between the birth stories of Sargon I and Moses. (I also heard him talk a lot of rot about the Exodus, though, so I'm taking what he said with caution.)

 

[boloboffin]

I assume you believe these men died for fiction.

So many have, DOC. We keep trying to point this out. So many have.

 

[ServiceSoon]

I don't see how archaeology can prove someone walked on water or made a blind man see.

After dedicating some time to read this entire thread, I nominate cainkane1. Even if we prove (by a method the majority agrees upon and by whatever means necessary) that some of the stores in the bible are true, that doesn't mean the entire bible is true.

If I was writing a book and wanted to gain the trust of the readers, I would throw in some basic facts to entice them to believe the entire novel was fact. While this discussion is intelectually interesting. I don't think we are going to be able to answer the OP by doing so in this manner.

 

[DOC]

Spiderman is real since the Empire State Building exists.

And King Kong.

People don't die in real life for Spiderman and King Kong. They never affected our calenders {AD. and BC}. And I don't believe Thomas Jefferson would have said the words of Spiderman are the most sublime and moral ever known to humanity.

 

[George 152]

'Biblical Archaeology' is up there with 'Warriors for Peace'

 

[DOC]

Why, were any of them archeologists? You know, like the topic of this thread?

Well it has been said on several sites that Luke's writings {Book of Acts} converted archaeologist Sir William Mitchell Ramsay.

 

[GreNME]

GreNMe,
What are you doing in the slammer?

Heh, I'm actually in Texas. I'm a fan of the late, great Mr. Johnny Cash, and that's my favorite song.

I have seen that table somewhere. At my age my memory ain't what it used to be. Could you please give the link for that.

I have no link for the table, unless you mean this other thread where I first created the table. The list of false correlations was put together by me based on the collected claims of about three or four lists of correlations I've run into on the web. You may also have been pointed to this page, also of my own creation and basically the same table, but with more links to citations (I always encourage checking citations, even on Wikipedia). For direct citations, that list would be long-- for example, if you'd like to see an actual Egyptian source where the word "meri" (meaning "beloved") is being used, you can view this PDF (pages 11-12) by Henry Fischer of the Metropolitan Museum of Art (in the Egyptian example, it's used by a woman referring to her dead husband). My Horus-Jesus page, as well as my page debunking Zeitgeist pt I, is full of citations that you can follow to see that I back up my statements with examples, and as often as possible going back to primary documents (which is important).

I have a lot of work to do on this. I am open minded about most of this except that I totally reject a "god" and the divinity of Jesus. I got too much crap from the Roman Catholic Church which is one reason why I gave it up.

I wouldn't try to have you accept any god from any religion, as I'm not in any way religious myself. Promise.

As far as my friend is concerned I lost touch with him when the MSN Groups were shut down. (no, I'm not making an excuse). I could be interested in you offer. I do have a translation of the Papyrus of Ani. As far as Hieroglyphs re concerned I do have the book "Middle Egyptian" by James P. Allen, but I do find it somewhat hard. I have not really gotten into it. I also have the "Inscribe" editor from Saqqara Technologies, but have not done much with it.

Allen's book is pretty good, IMO. There are lots of online resources as well if you're interested in putting the time into it. When it comes to Egyptian writing, since there are so many sources, lots of cross-checking is the way to go. If you're interested in looking at a translation of the Ani Papyrus with more updated language, I can also recommend Raymond Faulkner's Book of the Dead: Going Forth By Day-- the bonus is that it has huge pictures of the papyrus itself, which allows the reader to examine the actual plates that Egyptologists doing the translations look at. If interested I can scan a few and post them, but I can't do that for the whole book for copyright reasons and I'd rather use only a few in order to maintain reasonable fair use while sharing the cool-ness of the book.

I certainly would be doing what I want to do - keep learning to keep my brain active. My mother died after getting Alzheimers, and on Monday my best old friend went the same way. One must keep the brain active. Dunno how politicians get on.

My condolences to your family and friend, and I know what you mean about keeping an active mind. If you're interested I can look into asking the mods to set us up with a moderated thread where you, me, and a few others who might be interested in such a project could give at least a few pages a try for edification.

 

[Elizabeth I]

So the fact that the famous historian (Josephus) was married in Egypt and also went on a trip to Egypt with the Roman Emperor is of no relevance to you when Josephus writes about Egyptian history?

I was married in Texas and have been to England, so does that mean any damn fool thing I choose to say about Texas or England is true?

That there were indeed 1st century tombs (dug out of rock) just outside one of the gates of Jerusalem.

Duh. And?

 

[Hokulele]

Well it has been said on several sites that Luke's writings {Book of Acts} converted archaeologist Sir William Mitchell Ramsay.

In other words, no, they aren't.

 

[eccles]

"If you're interested I can look into asking the mods to set us up with a moderated thread where you, me, and a few others who might be interested in such a project could give at least a few pages a try for edification."

I like that. It would increase my knowledge of Ancient Egypt.

About trying to prove anything from that period, I assume it is almost impossible due to the spin put on the stories by biased writers. The Roman Catholic Church is the worst example of that.

I have the DVD of Zeitgeist and am not very impressed with it.

em hotep

 

[joobz]

Well it has been said on several sites that Luke's writings {Book of Acts} converted archaeologist Sir William Mitchell Ramsay.

Wasn't Luke's Census story called complete nonsense by the Dominican Priest, Father J. Murphy-O'Conner.

 

[Lucian]

I was married in Texas and have been to England, so does that mean any damn fool thing I choose to say about Texas or England is true?

Yes.

One caveat though, it only counts if you can make your damn fool observations about Texas and England support the validity and accuracy of the OT account of Exodus.

 

[Ladewig]

They never affected our calenders {AD. and BC}.

Weakest argument for Jesus's divinity ever.