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9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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dafydd said:
I'm back,but I'm not sure if I want to be a member of a site that would let 911 Investigator post his bile.He should be banned.
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You're back, meaning you were not contributing to JREF at all, but you came back to call for a ban only. Some contributor.

Nevertheless, I would not mind a ban at all. It would be a moral victory, since you allowed this thread to grow into page 23 without a problem and I have stayed rather polite if I may say so. All over sudden banning me would simply admit defeat. The inability to corner me with arguments.

Besides, there are thousands of forums. The intellectual resistance you guys offer is of a shameful low quality. Basically a bunch of smearing invective one-liners, no great loss to be deprived of your impotent non-arguments.

The one and only person who could have put up a fight, the holocaust entrepreneur Nick Terry, who spent years studying the holocaust subsidized by Jewish money, ran away as fast as he could as soon as he noticed that somebody really resisted.

So, go ahead. I will simply continue to post in a polite manner. I will see where the ship will strand.
 
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IDB87 said:
From Uzzy's link:
Bolding mine.

Is it possible the information the Brits did not find, which could have spurred them to act much sooner in regards to Auschwitz, was never intercepted because it was never transmitted? I find it more than reasonable that the SS would have a 'hush-hush' policy about what was transmitted into/out of their death camps.
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Wow, a post written in an intelligent and businesslike tone!

That's possible. But the Brits were second to none in their ability of decripting messages. They knew almost anything and the Germans did not suspect that their codes had been broken. Rather unlikely. I refer to the link a few pages earlier about eavesdropping on Auschwitz communications written by Irving.

It is also possible the RAF was never in a position to bomb the lines to Auschwitz until 1944. Unless you think the Luftwaffe would just let enemy bombers come in and sever their rail lines?
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Good point. And even if they were able to bomb the lines it is rather unlikely that this would have great effect on the transports. A railway line can be repaired in a matter of days.
 
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I Ratant wants to make the point that the holocaust happened because his father has visited the camps and say 'it' with his own eyes. The point is that if his father never went further east than Pilzen he could never have been in an extermination camp, regardless if these alleged extermination camps where extermination camps or not. According to current holocaust orthodoxy these extermination camps were located as indicated on the map I gave you.

Can you follow that argument?
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You're saying that evidence of the holocaust couldn't have been seen there because that's not where the people who say the holocaust happened say the evidence is. But you say that those people are liars. So why should you factor them into your argument?

If the evidence is there, then the holocaust happened, no matter what they said. You need to confront the claim directly.

I don't understand why you think you are behaving politely.

Why should I believe in your claims of a massive manufacturing of false evidence?
 
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BTMO said:
Numbers 6 and 17 for starters.

And the multiple reposts of number 17...
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I'm sorry but you cannot possibly hold me responsible for the posts of others.

6 was written by MG1962
17 by HeyLeroy

But you are right, I was not particularly impressed by these posts either. :D
 
9/11-investigator said:
The one and only person who could have put up a fight, the holocaust entrepreneur Nick Terry, who spent years studying the holocaust subsidized by Jewish money, ran away as fast as he could as soon as he noticed that somebody really resisted.

So, go ahead. I will simply continue to post in a polite manner. I will see where the ship will strand.
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That's a load of crap - if you want Nick Terry, they are hosting a debate on RODOH -- just having problems getting Revisionist to show up.

And I notice you have abandonded your Eisenhower, Churchill, DeGualle argument without a word of acknowledgment you were dead wrong.
 
Further to IDB87's comment, the American military had decided in February of 1944 that individual missions to rescue victims of repression would not be undertaken, as the destruction of the Nazi forces in Europe took precedent, something which would, of course save some victims of repression. Perhaps if they knew of the scale, something different may have been done. As I mentioned, when Churchill learnt somewhat about what was happening at Auschwitz, he wanted the rail lines bombed, but tragically, this never occurred.

As an aside, my mention of 'immediately' referred to Churchill giving the authority to Eden to do that in a letter, rather then taking it to the cabinet to discuss. Churchill much have been presented with highly compelling and shocking evidence to take such an action, apparently unique in his time as PM during the war.
 
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You're saying that evidence of the holocaust couldn't have been seen there because that's not where the people who say the holocaust happened say the evidence is. But you say that those people are liars. So why should you factor them into your argument?
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I beg somebody else to explain it to you that travelling no further east than Pilzen disqualified you to be a witness of the holocaust since nobody claims there were any extermination camps as far west as Pilsen. You have to do it with this.

If the evidence is there, then the holocaust happened, no matter what they said. You need to confront the claim directly.
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Sure. But the material that is presented as evidence is not accepted as such by everybody.

I don't understand why you think you are behaving politely.
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I think I am. Please state post numbers where you think I have behaved impolite. You will not succeed.

Why should I believe in your claims of a massive manufacturing of false evidence?
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You should not believe. You should think for yourself and discuss your findings with others. Put your assumptions to the test.
 
Trojan said:
That's a load of crap - if you want Nick Terry, they are hosting a debate on RODOH -- just having problems getting Revisionist to show up.
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I am not a stalker. I am a JREF forum member and so is Nick. He produced a long list with 'bogus arguments' revisionists like to use and I spent considerable time addressing a lot of items from his list. He did not respond.

And I notice you have abandonded your Eisenhower, Churchill, DeGualle argument without a word of acknowledgment you were dead wrong.
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I am sorry, but it is me against the rest of this forum so you have to excuse me for missing anything. Give me the post number and you'll get your response now. Don't wait to long, it was a very intensive working week, this week, it is 01:00 AM here in Holland and I want to go to sleep.
 
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I beg somebody else to explain it to you that travelling no further east than Pilzen disqualified you to be a witness of the holocaust since nobody claims there were any extermination camps as far west as Pilsen. You have to do it with this.
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But you've stated that the records are WRONG, and the truth has been covered up. If that's the case, camps could be ANYWHERE (DUN DUN DUN!) You see, conspiracy theorists have to consider everything, not just their pet manias, or lose all their credibility.
Sure. But the material that is presented as evidence is not accepted as such by everybody.
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But the majority do, don't they? And, if the majority don't count, why should anyone count?
I think I am. Please state post numbers where you think I have behaved impolite. You will not succeed.
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I think I'll leave this to people better acquainted with the past of the thread.
You should not believe. You should think for yourself and discuss your findings with others. Put your assumptions to the test.
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That's the point. I've considered your evidence, and I don't see how it could possibly convince me. It's just vague allegations backed up by the ravings of madmen. How can that stack up to all the evidence you conspicuously ignore? Are you going to segue into another 'I'm smart, you're closed-minded' comment?
 
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I beg somebody else to explain it to you that travelling no further east than Pilzen disqualified you to be a witness of the holocaust since nobody claims there were any extermination camps as far west as Pilsen. You have to do it with this.
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The Holocaust was not limited to the extermination camps - those running slave labor camps are just as guilty of murder.
 
Trojan said:
The Germans destroyed every gas chamber in every camp (if not the entire camp) before the allies ever got close.

Might as well ask for an autupsy of a gassed body.
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So you are saying that Leuchter and Rudolf did their research on chambers that were never marketed as being gas chambers?

Come on, you cannot be serious.
 
For those of you who wonder what makes 9/11-Investigator and his ilk tick, I suggest reading Denying History: Who Says the Holocaust Never Happened and Why do they Say it? by Michael Shermer and Alex Grobman. http://atheism.about.com/library/books/full/aafprDenyHistory.htm

9/11-Investigator has made a number of references to David Irving. Deborah Lipstadt, an American historian had written a book entitled, "Denying the Holocaust," rebutting Irving's claims. He sued her for libel in an English court. Her account of the libel trial led to another book entitled 'History on Trial." A review of the book can befound here: http://dir.salon.com/story/books/review/2005/02/07/lipstadt/index.html.
She was found not guilty and tore him a new ******* in the process.


Finally, if anyone is interested a quick, easy and fairly comprehensive resource for all things holocaust related, you might start with the Holocaust Museum: http://www.ushmm.org/
 
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Trojan said:
The Holocaust was not limited to the extermination camps - those running slave labor camps are just as guilty of murder.
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My own Saxon Dutch father was deported in 1944 to Poland to participate in the Arbeitseinsatz. He had amongst others to help clean up the mess in Dresden a few days after the Allies carried out their barbarous attack that claimed a comparable number of lives (135,000) in 1 night intentionally as all the people that died in all the camps combined over 3 years (270,000)!

He never experienced any barbarous act by the Germans.
 
What next, do you want to discuss Harwood's Red Cross piece of crap? You know, the one when he misquotes everything published by the Red Cross in the three volume report.
 
9/11-investigator said:
My own Saxon Dutch father was deported in 1944 to Poland to participate in the Arbeitseinsatz. He had amongst others to help clean up the mess in Dresden a few days after the Allies carried out their barbarous attack that claimed a comparable number of lives (135,000) in 1 night intentionally as all the people that died in all the camps combined over 3 years (270,000)!

He never experienced any barbarous act by the Germans.
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Prove 135,000 died, besure to give the level of detail you would want to see in the presecution of the Nazi's -- please include names and autopsy reports.
 
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