9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[dtugg]

No, monster, I will not play your transparent games. Read about the trial of Eichmann. He understood himself to be killing Jews--AS YOU KNOW!

Shockingly, the nazi ignored my post where I gave a link to the Eichmann trial transcripts.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Churchill wrote to the systematic murder of Hungarian Jews by 'scientific machinery' - that he did not use the magic words you require is irrelevant He also did not mention Kamikazes or the siege of Leningrad, does that mean these are lies as well?

Eisenhower wrote extensively about the camps in his private and unprivate papers and correspondence -visit the Eisenhower library

here's a link, go educate yourself

http://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/

You do realize that I was referring to the memoirs of said gentlemen?

That De Gaulle mentioned anyone but himself is a small miracle.

Its been answered - when are you going to use an original argument -- or are you going to run back to CODOH for a new shot?

So what? I admit I am a holo-amateur (just like you).

 

[Uzzy]

140,000 Jews lived in pre-war Netherlands. 105,000 died at the hands of the Nazis. That's 75%. (From Lucy Dawidowicz's book, The War against the Jews.)

I've been looking at some of the early posts that mention the body of evidence that proves the Holocaust, such as the public record at the Nuremberg trials (which the Nazi here still hasn't even begun to refute), and I notice how often he mentions 'Your Bolshevik Friends', as if to say that the West during WW2 were doing the Soviets bidding. Funny how that's stopped after I brought up the talks held between the Soviets and the Nazis, in respect to the Soviets joining the Axis. It seems he can react to actual evidence on occasion!

 

[9/11-investigator]

What next, do you want to discuss Harwood's Red Cross piece of crap? You know, the one when he misquotes everything published by the Red Cross in the three volume report.

I am very keen on seeing that report but cannot find it. Do you know where I can get it?

 

[Trojan]

You do realize that I was referring to the memoirs of said gentlemen?

Since Eisenhower wrote independent of his memories in open public letters, why limit your review to a small sample of his writings? He certainly never made any secret of his disdain for the Nazi's or his feelings regarding the camps and the murder of the Jews.

So what? I admit I am a holo-amateur (just like you).

I thought I was a paid shill.

 

[Trojan]

I am very keen on seeing that report but cannot find it. Do you know where I can get it?

The Red Cross three volume report is public record but is not published on the internet (published in 1947 ?) -- I had to go to the Carnegie Public Library in Oakland (Pittsburgh) to find a copy.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Prove 135,000 died, besure to give the level of detail you would want to see in the presecution of the Nazi's -- please include names and autopsy reports.

Here is a recent find by Irving of an internal communication by German authorities intercepted by the British, that is without propaganda motive. This is as good as you can get:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving/RadDi/2009/240409.html
Scroll down to "April 24, 2009 (Friday)"

Here is Irving's first book that gave him worldwide fame as an historian: The Destruction of Dresden (free download):

http://www.fpp.co.uk/overflow/Dresden_gallery/index.html

 

[Uzzy]

He had amongst others to help clean up the mess in Dresden a few days after the Allies carried out their barbarous attack that claimed a comparable number of lives (135,000) in 1 night intentionally as all the people that died in all the camps combined over 3 years (270,000)!

Your heroes started the widespread bombing of cities, and did it on the opening day of their invasion of Poland. Weilun had 75% of its buildings destroyed, including a clearly marked hospital. By the way, most historians say that between 20,000 and 40,000 died at Dresden, which was most certainly a military and industrial stronghold. An independent panel commissioned by the city itself gave an estimate of 18,000 to 25,000. Source.

 

[Trojan]

The Red Cross three volume report is public record but is not published on the internet (published in 1947 ?) -- I had to go to the Carnegie Public Library in Oakland (Pittsburgh) to find a copy.

Here is what I found, in my one and only trip to look at records for myself.

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=36301&highlight=Harwood

 

[dafydd]

You're back, meaning you were not contributing to JREF at all, but you came back to call for a ban only. Some contributor.

Nevertheless, I would not mind a ban at all. It would be a moral victory, since you allowed this thread to grow into page 23 without a problem and I have stayed rather polite if I may say so. All over sudden banning me would simply admit defeat. The inability to corner me with arguments.

Besides, there are thousands of forums. The intellectual resistance you guys offer is of a shameful low quality. Basically a bunch of smearing invective one-liners, no great loss to be deprived of your impotent non-arguments.

The one and only person who could have put up a fight, the holocaust entrepreneur Nick Terry, who spent years studying the holocaust subsidized by Jewish money, ran away as fast as he could as soon as he noticed that somebody really resisted.

So, go ahead. I will simply continue to post in a polite manner. I will see where the ship will strand.

I can recommend a good salve for the abrasions on your knuckles caused by them dragging along the ground as you walk.

 

[Trojan]

Here is a recent find by Irving of an internal communication by German authorities intercepted by the British, that is without propaganda motive. This is as good as you can get:

[qimg]http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Dresden/images/decodes/1945_03_24decode_600.jpg[/qimg]

http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving/RadDi/2009/240409.html
Scroll down to "April 24, 2009 (Friday)"

Here is Irving's first book that gave him worldwide fame as an historian: The Destruction of Dresden (free download):

http://www.fpp.co.uk/overflow/Dresden_gallery/index.html

Just to be clear - is this decode proof of the event and murder of 135,00? This is all you require?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Since Eisenhower wrote independent of his memories in open public letters, why limit your review to a small sample of his writings? He certainly never made any secret of his disdain for the Nazi's or his feelings regarding the camps and the murder of the Jews.

Jeez, I have a career and a family to take care of. Where should I find the time to read all that. The argument about the memoirs is a well-known one in revisionist circles, did not verify it myself. I did buy a condensed 1 volume memoirs of Churchill (in German) on the Munich airport while waiting for a flight to Amsterdam. I checked it and there was no reference to gas chambers. I vaguely remember really very brief remarks about 'heavy plight of the Jews' (which nobody denies), but that was it, just one paragraph!.

I thought I was a paid shill.

Not you, just Nick.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Just to be clear - is this decode proof of the event and murder of 135,00? This is all you require?

I say this is as good as you can get: information about intra-German communications (no propaganda motive) as intercepted by British.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Here is what I found, in my one and only trip to look at records for myself.

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=36301&highlight=Harwood

Interesting!

Questions for you:

1) do you confirm after reading the real report that the ICRC did indeed visit Auschwitz on a regular basis?
2) if so, do you confirm that the ICRC did not report extermination practices?

 

[Trojan]

I say this is as good as you can get: information about intra-German communications (no propaganda motive) as intercepted by British.

Then the Höfle Telegram, which demonstrates the murder of over a million Jews is sufficient as well?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Höfle_Telegram

 

[Trojan]

Interesting!

Questions for you:

1) do you confirm after reading the real report that the ICRC did indeed visit Auschwitz on a regular basis?

They certainly did visit - I would not call it regular - and they certainly did not have access to the part of the camp dedicated to the extermination Jews and others. They never got close to the crematoriums.

2) if so, do you confirm that the ICRC did not report extermination practices?

No Red Cross reprsentative was in a position to witness or report on the extermination. It was a very large camp with many sub camps - BTW - the pool was in the portion the ICRC visited.

 

[dudalb]

From Uzzy's link:



Bolding mine.

Is it possible the information the Brits did not find, which could have spurred them to act much sooner in regards to Auschwitz, was never intercepted because it was never transmitted? I find it more than reasonable that the SS would have a 'hush-hush' policy about what was transmitted into/out of their death camps.

It is also possible the RAF was never in a position to bomb the lines to Auschwitz until 1944. Unless you think the Luftwaffe would just let enemy bombers come in and sever their rail lines?

And Railways were notriously hard to knock out. They could be repaired very quickly.

 

[dudalb]

The Holocaust was not limited to the extermination camps - those running slave labor camps are just as guilty of murder.

Not to mention the Einsatzgruppen during Operation Barbarossa.
And the planned starvation in the Ghettos.

 

[Trojan]

Regarding intelligence and what the allies knew, may I suggest

http://www.nsa.gov/about/_files/cryptologic_heritage/publications/wwii/eavesdropping.pdf

 

[Trojan]

Not to mention the Einsatzgruppen during Operation Barbarossa.
And the planned starvation in the Ghettos.

Absolutely -- murder by bullets, gas, disease, starvation and depravation are all murder.

I find it outregeaus when deniers make the ex post facto legal argument -- as if any intelligent person could watch these murders and find justification.