Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[Mojo]

I think God does not have a problem with managomy and womanagomy...

But what about mahogany or Hogmanay?

 

[Simon39759]

Does this mean that ducks are the superior species? I allways had doubts that it was homo sapiens.

Aren't lab mouse the superior species?

 

[Mojo]

And the dolphins, of course.

 

[amb]

You're all wrong. The supreme species on this planet is the female homo sapiens.
Remember the saying; behind every great man, there's a female.

 

[Paulhoff]

You're all wrong. The supreme species on this planet is the female homo sapiens.
Remember the saying; behind every great man, there's a female.

Saying, that is the key here, "It is raining cats and dogs" is another saying.

Paul

 

[DOC]

Yeah; that much is known. The Hebrews actually were polytheistic right up until around their coming back from the Babylonian exiles.

That's why Moses and God set them straight with the 10 commandments:

The 10 Commandments - Exodus, Chapter 20.

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'...

http://www.allabouttruth.org/10-commandments.htm

 

[Lothian]

That's why Moses and God set them straight with the 10 commandments:

The 10 Commandments - Exodus, Chapter 20.

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'...

http://www.allabouttruth.org/10-commandments.htm

What about homosexuality. Did God tell Moses to kill homosexuals or is Moses unreliable in his reporting of messages from God. If Moses can be trusted when did God change his mind about murdering homosexuals?

 

[DOC]

What about homosexuality. Did God tell Moses to kill homosexuals or is Moses unreliable in his reporting of messages from God. If Moses can be trusted when did God change his mind about murdering homosexuals?

Well actually Moses punished the act of a man laying with another man. It says nothing about Moses punishing the desire or thought of being with a man.

And one could argue that this law of Moses would likely increase order and stability in his people (living in close quarters) as they were wandering in the desert for 40 years.

 

[paximperium]

Well actually Moses punished the act of a man laying with another man. It says nothing about Moses punishing the desire or thought of being with a man.

And one could argue that this law of Moses would likely increase order and stability in his people (living in close quarters) as they were wandering in the desert for 40 years.

So did God tell Moses to kill homosexuals?

 

[Emerson Street]

And one could argue that this law of Moses would likely increase order and stability in his people (living in close quarters) as they were wandering in the desert for 40 years.

Go on then.

 

[DOC]

So did God tell Moses to kill homosexuals?

You seem to think you know a lot about the Bible, you tell me.

 

[six7s]

So did God tell Moses to kill homosexuals?

You seem to think you know a lot about the Bible, you tell me.

In being an authority on the bible, you seem to have overlooked one prerequisite: reading it

Did God tell Moses to kill homosexuals?

• Probably not, bearing in mind that god is a mythological character borne of the twisted fantasies of deluded fools

Was Moses a homophobe?

• Yes.
  

  Leviticus
  
  ^18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
  
  ^20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

 

[joobz]

You seem to think you know a lot about the Bible, you tell me.

And you seem to know god's thoughts...

But christ did go into detail about how a slave and a slave owner should behave. Yet you claim Jesus didn't condone slavery....How strange.

So, we have (according to you):
1. Jesus is against homosexuality (even though Jesus never mentioned it)
2. Jesus doesn't condone killing homosexuals (even though Moses did and Jesus never mentions it)
3. Jesus is against slavery (even though he uses it in stories and was simply too afraid of roman rule to say his true thoughts)

Are there any other things I should know about Jesus that isn't in the perfect book, the bible? Afterall, you seem to magically know his mind and speak for him.

So tell me again, where is the eveidence that the bible speaks the truth? Does this truth include God as accepting of Slavery and the murder of men who "lay down with other men"?

 

[joobz]

And one could argue that this law of Moses would likely increase order and stability in his people (living in close quarters) as they were wandering in the desert for 40 years.

Because punishing people in love with death is EXACTLY how one promotes peace and stability???

Do you ever think your arguments through?

 

[DOC]

And you seem to know god's thoughts...


So tell me again, where is the eveidence that the bible speaks the truth? Does this truth include God as accepting of Slavery and the murder of men who "lay down with other men"?

Well I've already responded to your slavery issue in these posts:

2752, 2705, 2696, 2490, 2501, 2505, 2509, 2513, 2422, 1947, 1889, 1878, 1793, 1775, 1811, 1802, 1795, and 1100.

And with regard to men who lay with other men, Moses -- who was the leader of his people who had just escaped slavery in Egypt and were wondering in the desert for many years -- said what he said. I would think the Jewish people owe a lot to Moses for their survival.

 

[joobz]

Well I've already responded to your slavery issue in these posts:

2752, 2705, 2696, 2490, 2501, 2505, 2509, 2513, 2422, 1947, 1889, 1878, 1793, 1775, 1811, 1802, 1795, and 1100.

Responded to? Yes you did.

Address the argument that jesus' morality was clearly less developed than our modern view? No where near close.

And with regard to men who lay with other men, Moses -- who was the leader of his people who had just escaped slavery in Egypt and were wondering in the desert for many years -- said what he said. I would think the Jewish people owe a lot to Moses for their survival.

So you think killing people for loving eachother is a way to ensure stability?


You are in a funny perdicament here, DOC.

Your only possible claim for suggesting Jesus was against Slavery would be the golden rule. HOwever, that same rule would suggest that Jesus would also condone homosexuality.

So, which is it? Was Jesus a pro-slavery homophobe, or an anti-slavery pro-gay liberal?

 

[six7s]

Well I've already responded to your slavery issue in these posts:

2752, 2705, 2696, 2490, 2501, 2505, 2509, 2513, 2422, 1947, 1889, 1878, 1793, 1775, 1811, 1802, 1795, and 1100.

Yeah... but... your responses are invariably inane... so they don't count

And with regard to men who lay with other men, Moses -- who was the leader of his people who had just escaped slavery in Egypt and were wondering in the desert for many years -- said what he said

Yet again... inanity doesn't count as an argument

Oh... and I suspect you mean wandering, not wondering

I would think the Jewish people owe a lot to Moses for their survival.

OK... if you really do think so (in contrast with 'willingly accept as part of a delusional belief system'), please explain WHY you think this - without recourse to circular (il)logic

 

[DOC]

I would think the Jewish people owe a lot to Moses for their survival.

OK... if you really do think so (in contrast with 'willingly accept as part of a delusional belief system'), please explain WHY you think this - without recourse to circular (il)logic

Well the odds certainly weren't good for a nation that were slaves in Egypt for hundreds of years before being led out of that slavery by Moses. And the odds certainly weren't good for a nation wandering in the desert for many years. It would take an exceptional leader to keep hungry people together and keep up their morale under such terrible circumstances in the desert. Moses was that exceptional leader. Also for the record Moses was listed as one of the Hundred Most Influential people that ever lived. He was ranked 16th -- which was ahead of Washington (29th) and Jefferson (around 60th).

And maybe the above is why God chose the Jewish nation to give us Christ. A nation that were slaves for hundreds of years, and wandering in the desert for 40 years, and under Roman occupation for many years would seem like the last people from which the King of Kings would come from. I mean why not choose a nation like China, or Greece, or the Roman Empire. But then this action is perfectly in line with Christ's message on another topic -- that the least will be the greatest.

 

[zooterkin]

Well the odds certainly weren't good for a nation that were slaves in Egypt for hundreds of years before being led out of that slavery by Moses.

Do you have any evidence that the Israelites were ever slaves in Egypt, let alone for hundreds of years?

And the odds certainly weren't good for a nation wandering in the desert for many years. It would take an exceptional leader to keep hungry people together and keep up their morale under such terrible circumstances in the desert.

It would take an exceptional leader to lead people around such a small area and keep them in a desert for forty years...

Moses was that exceptional leader. Also for the record Moses was listed as one of the Hundred Most Influential people that ever lived. He was ranked 16th -- which was ahead of Washington (29th) and Jefferson (around 60th).

But not as high as Mohammed or Newton. What's your point?

 

[zooterkin]

That's why Moses and God set them straight with the 10 commandments:

The 10 Commandments - Exodus, Chapter 20.

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'...

http://www.allabouttruth.org/10-commandments.htm

Why do you choose Exodus 20? What's wrong with Exodus 34:11-17? Or again, Deuteronomy 5:6–21? Even for the Exodus 20 set, there's disagreement on what are the '10'. They were not numbered, as you seem to suggest, my Malagasy friend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments