Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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Also there seems to me anyway to be more power in Christianity than in other religions. For example greater examples of things like getting people off drugs, alcohol, healings, life changing experiences, etc.
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No. You just happen to live in a society where the dominant, mainstream religion is Christianity (and appear to be determined to remain as ignorant as possible about other parts of the world.) I'm sure there are just as many examples in other parts of the world of other religions, or just plain old positive thinking, achieving the same ends.
 
DOC said:
Well actually the Catholic Church claims to be a representative of Jesus.
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In other words, you have no argument for how Jesus would view homosexuality and simiply attempted to change the subject.

This doesn't really bode well for your claims about the bible being supposedly true.
 
paximperium said:
That's nice. Do you have your own thoughts on this at all or do you not have any thoughts at all?
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I'm sure he does. Its just that it is clear that the bible DOESN'T support jesus as being anti gay. Just like it doesn't support the bible as being anti-slavery.

What's funny about this is that the extrapolation of the text which would prove jesus as being anti-slavery (golden rule) would also show jesus as being not anti-gay. I'm sure DOC realizes this problem and therefore attempted to sidestep the argument by focusing on church teachings.
 
joobz said:
In other words, you have no argument for how Jesus would view homosexuality and simiply attempted to change the subject.

This doesn't really bode well for your claims about the bible being supposedly true.
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I was just talking with my hubby about this one and it does make sense if God is against adultery, he is against homosexuality too. Also I remmeber scripture strictly defining adultery and fornication as sins against our own body which is worse than other sins.

But what might I ask does this question have to do with the OP? You can find more of what's specified about homosexuality being evil in God's sight in the book of Leviticus.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I was just talking with my hubby about this one and it does make sense if God is against adultery, he is against homosexuality too.
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Why? Become Christians has impairing the recognition of homosexual marriage, hence insuring that homosexual relationships, automatically are outside of the bonds of marriage?

Seems like circular reasoning.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I was just talking with my hubby about this one and it does make sense if God is against adultery, he is against homosexuality too. Also I remmeber scripture strictly defining adultery and fornication as sins against our own body which is worse than other sins.
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This my dear fellow JREF forumites (DOC pay attention here) is a classic textbook Non Sequitur.

But what might I ask does this question have to do with the OP? You can find more of what's specified about homosexuality being evil in God's sight in the book of Leviticus.
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So do you accept stoning your rebellious children? How about stoning folk who work on Sundays? Do you wear mixed fabrics? Do tell which part of Leviticus MUST be accepted and which part can be ignored?
 
The real founder of Christianity and this guy claimed he was speaking Jesus teaching, which was; dead against adultery and homosexuality. None other than Paul.
 
DOC said:
Well actually the Catholic Church claims to be a representative of Jesus. The Church's position on Homosexuality is that God loves those who have homosexual desires the same as heterosexuals. But that homosexuality is not part of God's order and plan for humanity. The church also states that those who have same sex desires are not responsible for the desires they might have {but I would assume that the Church would say that those desires (that are not a persons fault) should not be dwelt on}. The Church also teaches that these desires should not be acted out (and are sinful if they are) because as I said they are against God's plan for humanity. The reasons for those desires are unknown but there are some theories such as early childhood experiences and how a child was raised.

The Church believes that people who practice same sex sex and also heterosexuals who practice illicit sex such as one night stands are not in the will of God for their life. Christians believe you find the will of God for your life through sincere repentance, accepting Jesus, and prayer. According to Christianity you can only truly be at peace by finding God's will for your life.
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So did Moses get the wrong message from God when he killed homosexuals

or

Does the Catholic church have the wrong message from God when they do not kill homosexuals

or

Has God changed his mind on whether homosexuals should be killed?
 
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kurious_kathy said:
I was just talking with my hubby about this one and it does make sense if God is against adultery, he is against homosexuality too. Also I remmeber scripture strictly defining adultery and fornication as sins against our own body which is worse than other sins.
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Adultery and homosexuality is not synonymous. Just like heterosexuality and managomy are not equal.

Or are you saying that since gay marriage is illegal, all gay love is adultry? that would mean then that christians are actively keeping homosexuality a sin, even though Jesus never spoke out against it.

So much for the golden rule, eh?

kurious_kathy said:
But what might I ask does this question have to do with the OP? You can find more of what's specified about homosexuality being evil in God's sight in the book of Leviticus.
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We are speaking of the new testament in this thread and it's veracity.
I am showing the logical problems that exist if we assume that the new testament is true.

ETA: Can I assume that you follow ALL rules in the book of leviticus, then? OR do you only quote leviticus when it suits your prejudices?
 
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joobz said:
Or are you saying that since gay marriage is illegal, all gay love is adultry? that would mean then that christians are actively keeping homosexuality a sin, even though Jesus never spoke out against it.
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That may come as a surprise to Elton John.

Does this mean that homosexual acts are fine if you're married to the person you do them with?
 
zooterkin said:
That may come as a surprise to Elton John.

Does this mean that homosexual acts are fine if you're married to the person you do them with?
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Sorry, I was being ethnocentric and only considering most U.S. States.
 
Lothian said:
So did Moses get the wrong message from God when he killed homosexuals

or

Does the Catholic church have the wrong message from God when they do not kill homosexuals

or

Has God changed his mind on whether homosexuals should be kille
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Wasn't god just a voice in Mose's head? If he spoke to god, and god answered him back, he was suffering from delusions.
 
amb said:
Wasn't god just a voice in Mose's head? If he spoke to god, and god answered him back, he was suffering from delusions.
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No, it wasn't just a voice. Didn’t God gave Moses golden plates containing the 10 commandments. Moses used to read these out to his followers from behind a sheet in his kitchen. .....or something like that, these fantasists are so difficult to tell apart.
 
You can find more of what's specified about homosexuality being evil in God's sight in the book of Leviticus.
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Do you also avoid those abominations in God's sight, the sinful shrimp? You can't take some of Leviticus without taking all of it.
 
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yeah, but its the ducks who are the real evil, God has no power over them at all
 
joobz said:
Adultery and homosexuality is not synonymous. Just like heterosexuality and managomy are not equal.

ETA: Can I assume that you follow ALL rules in the book of leviticus, then? OR do you only quote leviticus when it suits your prejudices?
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Prejudices, prejudices!

I'm celebrating my 37th birthday today so I claim the right to make use of your (assumed) typing slip. I think God does not have a problem with managomy and womanagomy, but that is because I don't think God wants 21C humans to be bound by 1000 BC thinking or 1stC thinking.

PS I haven't been ignoring your contributions, but haven't found the space to post.
 
Does this mean that ducks are the superior species? I allways had doubts that it was homo sapiens. :D
 
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