GreNME
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Actually, the use of anger against the West is an easy way to change the discussion. The disapproval of Western attempts to dictate, change, intimidate, or direct Iran is a fairly common national attitude that ranges from vehement anger to a general annoyance. Khamenei and Ahmadinejad making use of this attitude is a matter of common sense on their part, not unlike the use of general dislike of terrorists or illegal immigrants in the West.
It's for this reason that I'm greatly disappointed that Congress has passed the resolution 'supporting' Iranian protesters. It de-legitimizes the protesters' cause and momentum. That momentum doesn't seem to have been completely undermined yet, but that was a stupid move by the US legislative branch.
It's said that the violence has increased, and all over Iran there have been fights between the Basij and the protesters-- the Basij have been given the right to violence against protesters since Friday's speech by Khamenei. A mosque in Tehran was reportedly partially burned with protesters inside.
So far, the following are reports that have been confirmed by more than one person:
- at least 19 deaths, including what is becoming an iconic video of a young woman's graphic death (video WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT)
- authorities using water cannons, tear gas, and clubs on protestors (male and female, with some reports that the women are being beaten as hard if not harder than the men)
- helicopters dropping some sort of agent on protestors (likely CS). Khamenei claimed it was water to cool the protestors, Twitter reports that it burned and blinded people (it was NOT white phosphorous - burning sensation was consistent with CS)
- Basij using concrete-weighted PVC pipes as weapons.
- Basij marking doorways of protestor's homes
- At least one unit of the Iranian Police begged protestors for calm and peace
- Ministry of Culture on Saturday banned international media from reporting on the demonstrations unless they receive permission from Iranian authorities
- Iranian government has agreed to recount 10% of the votes, chosen at random
- Electricity was cut to many Tehran neighbourhoods on Saturday evening
- Mousavi issued a long statement today that asked protestors to remain peaceful (and not take revenge on the Basij), and demanded a new election. He also stated his readiness to become a martyr and asked iranians to strike in the event of his arrest.
- Hospitals have been recognized as unsafe, as Basij are laying in wait and taking injured people away
- Several Embassies are accepting injured iranians, and have asked for doctors to come forward.
The woman in the video mentioned (and linked, watch at your own risk very graphic) was reportedly named Neda. She was standing with her father not far from the heart of a protest (not in the middle of a protesting crowd). The comments connected to the video (so that ones who don't wish to see death can read):
There are a growing number of places online that can be used for updates, this bulletin board and this Tweet grid are two examples. Here is a partial quote from one of the posts in that bulletin board:
And here is a list of fake twitter accounts that are offering either false information or intentionally fake ('disinfo') information.
It's for this reason that I'm greatly disappointed that Congress has passed the resolution 'supporting' Iranian protesters. It de-legitimizes the protesters' cause and momentum. That momentum doesn't seem to have been completely undermined yet, but that was a stupid move by the US legislative branch.
It's said that the violence has increased, and all over Iran there have been fights between the Basij and the protesters-- the Basij have been given the right to violence against protesters since Friday's speech by Khamenei. A mosque in Tehran was reportedly partially burned with protesters inside.
So far, the following are reports that have been confirmed by more than one person:
- at least 19 deaths, including what is becoming an iconic video of a young woman's graphic death (video WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT)
- authorities using water cannons, tear gas, and clubs on protestors (male and female, with some reports that the women are being beaten as hard if not harder than the men)
- helicopters dropping some sort of agent on protestors (likely CS). Khamenei claimed it was water to cool the protestors, Twitter reports that it burned and blinded people (it was NOT white phosphorous - burning sensation was consistent with CS)
- Basij using concrete-weighted PVC pipes as weapons.
- Basij marking doorways of protestor's homes
- At least one unit of the Iranian Police begged protestors for calm and peace
- Ministry of Culture on Saturday banned international media from reporting on the demonstrations unless they receive permission from Iranian authorities
- Iranian government has agreed to recount 10% of the votes, chosen at random
- Electricity was cut to many Tehran neighbourhoods on Saturday evening
- Mousavi issued a long statement today that asked protestors to remain peaceful (and not take revenge on the Basij), and demanded a new election. He also stated his readiness to become a martyr and asked iranians to strike in the event of his arrest.
- Hospitals have been recognized as unsafe, as Basij are laying in wait and taking injured people away
- Several Embassies are accepting injured iranians, and have asked for doctors to come forward.
The woman in the video mentioned (and linked, watch at your own risk very graphic) was reportedly named Neda. She was standing with her father not far from the heart of a protest (not in the middle of a protesting crowd). The comments connected to the video (so that ones who don't wish to see death can read):
A young woman who was standing aside with her father watching the protests was shot by a basij member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house. He had clear shot at the girl and could not miss her. However, he aimed straight her heart. I am a doctor, so I rushed to try to save her. But the impact of the gunshot was so fierce that the bullet had blasted inside the victim's chest, and she died in less than 2 minutes.
The protests were going on about 1 kilometers away in the main street and some of the protesting crowd were running from tear gass used among them, towards Salehi St.
There are a growing number of places online that can be used for updates, this bulletin board and this Tweet grid are two examples. Here is a partial quote from one of the posts in that bulletin board:
Hi,
I'm Josh Shahryar AKA NiteOwl and I've been immersed in tweets from Iran for the past several hours. I have tried to be extremely careful in choosing my tweet sources and have tried maximally to avoid listening to media banter. What I have compiled below is what I can confirm through my tweets to have happened in the past day and in the past week in Iran. Remember, this is all from tweets. There is NOTHING included here that is not from a reliable tweet. No news media outlets have been used in the compilation of this short brief as I would like to call it.
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6. Large numbers of Basij and IRG troopers have been stationed within the city. There have been reports of attacks on the Basijis by armed Iranians. Sources claim that Basijis are being arrested by these men who seem to have some level of support by the police. Although confirmed by several sources that the young men are getting organized and call themselves the National Iranian Resistance, this Brief will not go so far as to confirm it entirely. Please wait for confirmation by either us or MSM.
7. Sources have also confirmed that several high-ranking IRG members have been arrested today. They join several other members who were arrested in the past two days. At the same time, it is being reported that a few members of the IRG were seen laying down their arms around isolated pockets of protesters, telling them they won't fight fellow Iranians and had gone home. Sources also claim that the military is currently the only body that has not taken part in arrests, violence or other abuses. But according to them, Ahmadinejad has the support of the IRG and the Basji at this point.
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Finally a few words to those who are reading this:
Iranians who are trying to connect to twitter or other sites and need a way to connect please visit this website: Why We Protest - IRAN - View Single Post - Using Tor in Order to Surf Anonymously
Images and vids and instructions on how to send them to us: https://trancy.net/iran/
For my announcements, see @iran_translator
People Outside Iran: This is as clear and concise as I can be. I have not included ANYTHING that I have sensed to be remotely fishy, but human error will always manifests itself in even the most flawless of non-mathematical things. However, this includes nothing from the Western media, including the BBC which I have been generously using to inform people and I laud them for their courageous journalism.
People Inside Iran: Don't believe a WORD of what I am telling you. Do what you think is best, keeping everything in mind. I know LITTLE of what you know so make your decisions based on your OWN judgment.
People Who Want to Send Me Tweet Links: You don't need to find me, I will find you. Don't hassle yourself. Your voice will be heard through millions of others like me.
People Who Want to Hunt Me Down: I'm an Afghan. If you ever tried to attack me, you'll see my back only after your back has met the ground.
P.S. Please post this around and tweet and retweet. I promise to make the next one faster than this one. I had to wait to make sure everything was as accurate as humanly possible.
And here is a list of fake twitter accounts that are offering either false information or intentionally fake ('disinfo') information.
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